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 Topic: Come back to Allah

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  • Re: Come back to Allah
     Reply #60 - April 24, 2010, 11:03 PM

    Look in the Qur'an over who it is ok to marry; if one were to talk about 'desi culture' as so far as Hinduism - cousin marriage was severely frond upon. On the other hand 55% of Pakistani marriages occur between cousins. Naomi Chambers ( http://www.youtube.com/user/NaomiChambers )  did an interesting link between cousin marriage and lower IQ - which explains the number of fucking morons coming out of Muslim countries who can't analyse a situation and instead rely on emotion.

    Hey, I am the offspring of a cousin marriage too.  Angry Embarrassed

    Pakistan Zindabad? ya Pakistan sey Zinda bhaag?

    Long Live Pakistan? Or run with your lives from Pakistan?
  • Re: Come back to Allah
     Reply #61 - April 25, 2010, 12:14 AM

    Hey, I am the offspring of a cousin marriage too.  Angry Embarrassed


    Awww, notice anything strange? a third testicle? lol

    The video Naomi is based on continued cousin marriage over and over again; not just a once off but of several generations of cousin marriage.

    I'll give you a parrot  parrot and a ticket so you can ride the special bus *pats atheist.pk on the head* good boy  Afro

    "It's just a job. Grass grows, birds fly, waves pound the sand. I beat people up." - Muhammad Ali
  • Re: Come back to Allah
     Reply #62 - April 25, 2010, 12:17 AM

    I invite you to free your mind from religious tyranny.  Smiley
  • Re: Come back to Allah
     Reply #63 - April 25, 2010, 02:05 AM

    Welcome Ahmed to the forums,

    I am sure you think that the Quran is preserved and protected from corruption by Allah him/her/itself, right? Otherwise you would have asked us to go convert to Christianity or Judism.

    My question dear Ahmed, is this: If Allah can preserve the Quran, why did he not preserve the Bible or the Torah? Please don't answer with, he gave people a chance to have a choice to not corrupt, or something similar.

    Also please answer Hassan's and the other posters requests about showing one tiny evidence that Allah exist....

     

    ...
  • Re: Come back to Allah
     Reply #64 - April 25, 2010, 02:13 AM

    Awww, notice anything strange? a third testicle? lol

    The video Naomi is based on continued cousin marriage over and over again; not just a once off but of several generations of cousin marriage.

    I'll give you a parrot  parrot and a ticket so you can ride the special bus *pats atheist.pk on the head* good boy  Afro

     Angry man boobs

    Pakistan Zindabad? ya Pakistan sey Zinda bhaag?

    Long Live Pakistan? Or run with your lives from Pakistan?
  • Re: Come back to Allah
     Reply #65 - April 25, 2010, 02:26 AM

    Ahmed listen to the great words of this great song:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nrvx3qLvOWI&feature=youtube_gdata

    ...
  • Re: Come back to Allah
     Reply #66 - April 25, 2010, 03:23 AM

    @ RIBS
    Yay! Lily Allen is amazing!  dance

    I know someday you'll have a beautiful life, I know you'll be a star
    In somebody else's sky, but why, why, why
    Can't it be, can't it be mine

    https://twitter.com/AlharbiMoe
  • Re: Come back to Allah
     Reply #67 - April 25, 2010, 03:44 AM

    Ever since he can remember people have died in his good name
    Long before that September
    Long before hijacking planes
    He's lost the will he can't decide
    He doesn't know who's right or wrong
    But there's one thing that he's sure of this has been going on too long

    ^ That bit of the song is very nice.

    To me, the idea of praying to one God when humankind has created hundreds just seems like an arbitrary guessing game. How can one human say "my God, he is the right God"? You don't know that; it just ends up coming down to who can shout louder.

    Just be a decent human being, that's all you can do and all that you should do; ironically, we assume we know everything about him, but he didn't give us a written manual, man just created one for him.
  • Re: Come back to Allah
     Reply #68 - April 25, 2010, 03:49 AM

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhDXpzpZBKs god on trial...

     Google it billy
  • Re: Come back to Allah
     Reply #69 - April 25, 2010, 04:08 AM

    @ RIBS
    Yay! Lily Allen is amazing!  dance


    Yeah, Lily Allen Rocks  Afro

    You know what? When I first heard our Nessrin's Poems, this song immediately came to mind. Nessrin can write such a beautiful songs about what faith is and what is not!  Afro

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  • Re: Come back to Allah
     Reply #70 - April 25, 2010, 05:39 AM

    Many western scientists in Germany, Britain, France and USA are converting to Islam.

    They know Quran is scientifically perfect.

    You can read about them on the internet and see their conversions on youtube etc.

    But even if I show you all these scientsits, you will still now believe it. You have to make up your own mind.

    I am going too now. Until next time I log back on, please think about it.


    Ahmad let me say this very clearly it cannot be proven that the Qur'an is Perfect either scientifically or grammatically or stylistically.

    Regardless of the claims of the people you refer to - there is not one claim they make that Muhammad could not have known about.

    There is nothing in the Qur'an that shows it is perfect and beyond the ability of a human, whether in science, language, grammar or whatever.

    If you believe you have some evidence then please post it here and we will discuss it.

    I'm not wading through links to find your examples for you.

    Please back up your claims with evidence.

    Just one!

    I promise to discuss it with you.
  • Re: Come back to Allah
     Reply #71 - April 25, 2010, 05:56 AM

    Ahmad you came on here asking us to return to Islam and claiming the Qur'an is perfect.

    Yet it seems you don't actually know that for certain yourself.

    It seems you are taking other people's word for it.

    So what is the case, Ahmad, do you believe the Qur'an is perfect because other people say it is?

    Or can you post here some specific evidence of what you claim. Not the links to the claims of others. A solid example of your claim that the Qur'an is perfect.

    The onus is on you to show me the evidence yourself.

    Or are you just parroting the claims of others without actually knowing if they are true?
  • Re: Come back to Allah
     Reply #72 - April 25, 2010, 08:31 AM

     parrot

    ...
  • Re: Come back to Allah
     Reply #73 - April 25, 2010, 08:53 AM

    These are just some of the scientists who they converted in past 2 years.

    They has read the Quran carefully and were so amazed. Quran could not be human book. It had to be from God.





    There are more than 90% of scientists who accept evolution. Are you willing to consider that evolution is true and that we have been evolving and that Adam and Eve are a load of bull, given you want us to believe in Islam because a handful of them did Islam?

    "In every time and culture there are pressures to conform to the prevailing prejudices. But there are also, in every place and epoch, those who value the truth; who record the evidence faithfully. Future generations are in their debt." -Carl Sagan

  • Re: Come back to Allah
     Reply #74 - April 25, 2010, 09:15 AM

    Good point infidel  Afro

    "Ah yes but you see those scientists that accept evolution are being dishonest!"  Tongue

    The unlived life is not worth examining.
  • Re: Come back to Allah
     Reply #75 - April 25, 2010, 09:35 AM

    Very moving video Nesrin. Based on a true story right? I've heard about it before.

    The unlived life is not worth examining.
  • Re: Come back to Allah
     Reply #76 - April 25, 2010, 10:57 AM

    I have a question, if God would forgive us for leaving the faith once, then why is it that in the Quran it said to kill the apostates?
  • Re: Come back to Allah
     Reply #77 - April 25, 2010, 11:06 AM

    I have a question, if God would forgive us for leaving the faith once, then why is it that in the Quran it said to kill the apostates?


    Strictly speaking that's in Hadith. But Apostates are generally given a chance to repent before being beheaded.

    Surprisingly most do repent and return to Islam in that situation. There's nothing like a sharp sword to help one appreciate the love of Allah.
  • Re: Come back to Allah
     Reply #78 - April 25, 2010, 11:11 AM

    And I think the verse the OP is referring to is this one:

    "Lo! those who believe, then disbelieve and then (again) believe, then disbelieve, and then increase in disbelief, Allah will never pardon them, nor will He guide them unto a way. " (4.137)
  • Re: Come back to Allah
     Reply #79 - April 25, 2010, 11:15 AM

    Ah, alright then.

    Thanks Hassan
  • Re: Come back to Allah
     Reply #80 - April 25, 2010, 11:30 AM

    Another question to the OP:

    Do you think it is right to kill apostates after they refuse to believe? If yes, then do you think it is right if a Christian or a Jew decided to join Islam and were killed for leaving their previous religion? How are these two scenarios different? Also don't give me the whole "because Islam is the true religion" crap.
  • Re: Come back to Allah
     Reply #81 - April 25, 2010, 11:58 AM

    Another question to the OP:

    Do you think it is right to kill apostates after they refuse to believe? If yes, then do you think it is right if a Christian or a Jew decided to join Islam and were killed for leaving their previous religion? How are these two scenarios different? Also don't give me the whole "because Islam is the true religion" crap.


    Your question is answered here. (Clue: because Islam is the true and final religion Wink )

    http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=9398.0
  • Re: Come back to Allah
     Reply #82 - April 25, 2010, 12:13 PM

    @ahmed2010

    Ahmad let me say this very clearly it cannot be proven that the Qur'an is Perfect either scientifically or grammatically or stylistically.

    Regardless of the claims of the people you refer to - there is not one claim they make that Muhammad could not have known about.

    There is nothing in the Qur'an that shows it is perfect and beyond the ability of a human, whether in science, language, grammar or whatever.

    If you believe you have some evidence then please post it here and we will discuss it.

    I'm not wading through links to find your examples for you.

    Please back up your claims with evidence.

    Just one!

    I promise to discuss it with you.

    C'mon ahmed2010. Accept the offer.

    You don't want us to think that you lack the knowledge to discuss these things properly do you?
  • Re: Come back to Allah
     Reply #83 - April 25, 2010, 12:15 PM

    I know how most Muslims would answer that, but I just wanted to know the OP's opinion on that. But thanks for the link  Smiley
  • Re: Come back to Allah
     Reply #84 - April 25, 2010, 08:21 PM

    Well, no sign of Ahmed. I wonder if he will come back.

    I also wonder if he will show me the video of Maurice Baucaille taking his shahada and becoming Muslim Roll Eyes

    "The more I study religions the more I am convinced that man never worshiped anything but himself."
    ~Sir Richard Francis Burton

    "I think religion is just like smoking: Both invented by people, addictive, harmful, and kills!"
    ~RIBS
  • Re: Come back to Allah
     Reply #85 - April 25, 2010, 08:36 PM

    'Tis hard to be a Muslim defending Islam on anything but an Islamic forum.  The hard life s/he leads. 

    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
    My political philosophy below
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwGat4i8pJI&feature=g-vrec
    Just kidding, here are some true heros
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBTgvK6LQqA
  • Re: Come back to Allah
     Reply #86 - May 03, 2010, 09:08 AM

    ahmed2010 looks like the only reason you are following this religion is because you are scared of what happens after you die. So i will solve the problem for you.
    Do not be scared as nothing happens at all. And you can search for videos on youtube of scientists that say nothing happens at all. And you can read books that say that nothing happens at all.

    Now, live your life without fear.

    Oh no no, wait after you die yahweh sees if you believed in Christ, you can see videos on youtube and read books that say so.... after all the Bible is the word of the one true god who created you.. how can you just leave the love of christ ...

    Or wait oh damn i am was mistaken, after you die you are reincarnated and why is that because the Bahagavad Gita says so and you can search for youtube videos and read books that say so. Many people read the Bahagavad Gita and they found that no man can ever write such a great book

    Now, ahmed where is the truth, what are the means of identifying the true from false.

    Let me give you a miracle in the bible, In genesis god says that he punished the snake by making it crawl on its belly, and just today did people discover that snakes really had legs one day.

    Here goes an exercise for you, analyze this claim and follow the same method in analyzing the miracles of the quran..

  • Re: Come back to Allah
     Reply #87 - May 03, 2010, 07:59 PM

    Sorry for the delay.

    I was busy with my work and doing overtime. I do try to come when I am free and read your questions.

    Please make sure they are relevant to the thread.

    Thank you.


    Some people like Cool Canadian claim that the scientist Maurice Bucaille did not convert to Islam.
    Here is proof that he did convert to Islam. I have already told you this:

    http://www.quranandscience.com/nw-muslim-stories/209-maurice-bucaille-.html

    http://www.englishbaby.com/forum/LifeTalk/thread/279813

    http://www.islamicbulletin.com/newsletters/issue_6/embraced.aspx





    Another question to the OP:

    Do you think it is right to kill apostates after they refuse to believe?


    The Holy Quran does not want apostates to be killed.
    If you think it does, then please find me one verse in which Allah tells muslims to kill people who leave Islam.

    Please do not make wrong assumptions about your Creator.




    Now, ahmed where is the truth, what are the means of identifying the true from false.  



    God has given us all a brain to use. Some use it. Others abuse it.

    If you are honest and use your brain to reason and think properly, then you will be able to tell the
    difference between what is a lie and what is a fact. That is how great scientists make great discoveries.

    Allah says the same thing in the Quran. He wants us all to use our intellect which he gave us so that we achieve happiness and certainty. Without using our intelligence, we cannot see right from wrong, truth from falsehood. We should never fall for propaganda and hatred.





    If Allah can preserve the Quran, why did he not preserve the Bible or the Torah? Please don't answer with, he gave people a chance to have a choice to not corrupt, or something similar.

     


    They were not worth preserving. They were for sent for limited period and for limited people. Quran is for al times and for all people.
    It is worth preserving. That is why Allah said no one can alter His final book to mankind.



    I never said numbers of people converting to Islam proves it must be true. I said some scientists who have analysed the Quran have been convinced and therefore, they have converted to Islam. Islam is not a private matter. It is not a religion loike others. It is an ideology of life. Which is why it is gaining so many converts. It has beaten Marxism, Socialism, and all other isms.

    Soon in the near future, it is estimated that Islam will be the largest religion on earth.

    Why?

    Why are thousands of people a year in europe and america converting to it? You tell me.

    Why would intelligent people accept Allah if he was a false god?

    Why?

    Why would westerners become muslims if Islam was an evil religion?

    Come on, you tell me.





    Ahmed,

    Muslims hold a vast plethora of absurd beliefs such as:
    • a personal God who is: omnibenevolent, omnipotent, omnipresent, omniscient etc (and btw some of these are self-contradictory)
    • creationism (in particular that humans came from Adam and Eve)
    • heaven, hell and life after death
    • angels, the devil and jinns
    • devine predestination/fate
    • the day of judgement
    • the evil eye
    • the miracles of all the prophets
    • the ascention and second coming of Jesus as well as his virgin birth
    • punishment of the grave
    • and many more...

    Ahmed, if you want us to believe all this, please provide some proper scientific evidence for each and every one of these claims. Of course, these claims are so absurd that there's not a hope in hell that any of them can be proven.



    Please name me one belief from quran that is against scientific facts. You wont find one. Why?
    It is the most scientifially advance book in the world, as my link above proves.
    You people are just refusing to read scientific evidences.
    The list of beliefs which you gave here is not from the Quran.
    You are supposed to be a critical thinker. How can you make absurd statements.



     
    Scientists are not authorities on God and know no more or no less than me or you about the existence of God.  


    but they have evidence that now proves that Quran cannot be written by a man. It must be from God. Please read the evidence they have presented. Hence Quran is perfect and Islam is the true way of life. I gave links above.  That book which I posted contains clear evidence that proves Quran can only come from God and one one else. I am not a blind follower. I use my brain and think for myself. I have read that book. It did have scientific and logical evidence which was clearly presented. If you read it , you will see it too.



  • Re: Come back to Allah
     Reply #88 - May 03, 2010, 08:14 PM

    Quote
    They were not worth preserving. They were for sent for limited period and for limited people. Quran is for al times and for all people.
    It is worth preserving. That is why Allah said no one can alter His final book to mankind.


    Why were they sent for a limited time for a limited people? Is there any evidence of this in their own scriptures or anywhere else other than the Quran?  Why didn't God just release the complete truth at once?  

    This also goes against the idea that all people in all times are Muslims but then get converted to other religions.  God purpously sent them incomplete or different ideas.  Was a person born during the time Christianity was around but not Islam a Muslim or was s/he born a Christian? 

    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
    My political philosophy below
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwGat4i8pJI&feature=g-vrec
    Just kidding, here are some true heros
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBTgvK6LQqA
  • Re: Come back to Allah
     Reply #89 - May 03, 2010, 08:14 PM

    Quote
    The Holy Quran does not want apostates to be killed.
    If you think it does, then please find me one verse in which Allah tells muslims to kill people who leave Islam.

    Please do not make wrong assumptions about your Creator.


    and the hadith?

    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
    My political philosophy below
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwGat4i8pJI&feature=g-vrec
    Just kidding, here are some true heros
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBTgvK6LQqA
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