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OP - April 17, 2010, 10:10 AM

Islamic Intellectuals of 20th century

Well., billy starts a new thread on Men at http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=9717.0 And it appears that is nothing to do with Muslim men but it is just about men. As a man I am not interested in men but i do have interests in understanding Muslim men.. Specially Islamic intellectuals. So let me focus on them in this thread. But I am going to restrict writing about the Islamic intellectuals that are born in 20th century. The reason I restrict myself to 20th century is because I was born in that century. I am biased to the times and people as I was also born in 20th century for no fault of mine lol. I don't care about the RASCALS that are born in 21st century. Lucky bastards born/are going to be born with internet in their moms wombs. I hate them and I wish that they will read what we(people like me) write and curse us. if they do that I love it.

Any ways There are plenty of Islamic intellectuals born in 20th century (.. 100s ..in fact 1000s ) across different countries with different cultural backgrounds. I am starting this thread, writing in to and as well as I am reading William Chittick at http://www.allamaiqbal.com/publications/journals/review/oct98/2.htm and typing in to CEMB., Ha! beauty of big screen., Dammit why didn't we have these in 20th century?? Stupid infidels, Jews, Christians, idolaters..... they didn't discover these things in 19th century.. Unintelligent fools.

In fact in ffi I opened number of threads on this subject .. for e.g.

http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=881597#881597
http://forum09.faithfreedom.org/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=1599
http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=2859#2859
http://forum09.faithfreedom.org/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2592

So let us learn from some of these well known Islamic intellectuals of 20th century. As usual the first guy that comes in to my mind as I am well versed with these people from Indian subcontinent is this man

and his students. And talking about his students, we have millions of them specially in Pakistan, India, Bangladesh, in fact all over the world. So let us look in to one of his famous students.. Dr. Israr Ahmed

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umsESfsgoKw

Oops.. That Guy is DEAD.. Ha! he is Dead.. DEAD.. Damn.. No one told me..

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2010\04\15\story_15-4-2010_pg13_7

Sorry. REST IN PEACE MAN., well I will ORDER allah doll to get some houries to you. Enjoy them in heavens along with Mr. PBUH. But for CEMB I still we will write about you in the next post

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Reply #1 - April 17, 2010, 10:12 AM

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Well., billy starts a new thread on Men at http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=9717.0 And it appears that is nothing to do with Muslim men but it is just about men.

Yeah, it was intended as a light hearted kind of thing about men in general because there was such a long, argument filled thread titled 'Women'

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Reply #2 - April 17, 2010, 10:18 AM

Maududi / Mawdudi (the spelling fluctuates) is arguably the most important Muslim ideologue of the last hundred years (along with Qutb)

His influence is cancerous, malign, hateful. It is impossible to understand modern Islamic identity-politics, the dynamics of Ummah-ism, especially in regard to Pakistan and the Pakistani diaspora, without studying and understanding this man.

The British media, for example, when discussing issues of Islam with Mawdudi disciples of the Jamat-e-Islami Muslim Council of Britain and other Muslim activists, do not understand their ideological position. If they knew about Mawdudi, an understanding of British Islamist identity-politics, from the 1989 Rushdie affair onwards, falls into place. It is the final piece of the jigsaw to an appreciation of the origin and ethos of Islamic politics and Islamic assertiveness in Britain. And yet, so little is known about him, relatively speaking, in the mainstream of the UK.

I would say that one thing this country needs is a fuller understanding of him, his ideology, and his disciples in the modern world. You can't confront, scrutinise and refute Mawdudi-ist snake-oil salesmen if you don't understand him in the first place. We need books to be written about him, television documentaries about him and his influence.

"we can smell traitors and country haters"

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Reply #3 - April 17, 2010, 10:34 AM

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I would say that one thing this country needs is a fuller understanding of him, his ideology, and his disciples in the modern world. You can't confront, scrutinise and refute Mawdudi-ist snake-oil salesmen if you don't understand him in the first place. We need books to be written about him, television documentaries about him and his influence.

You are right dear billy., but before I go to that gentleman, we can see the fruits in his students and followers of his students., I heard the news today

1). Bomber blows himself up inside Quetta hospital; 11 killed
http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/dawn-content-library/dawn/news/pakistan/provinces/14-bomb-blast-in-quettas-civil-hospital-zj-07

2). At least 20 killed in explosions in Kohat
http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/dawn-content-library/dawn/news/pakistan/03-two-explosions-take-place-in-idp-camps-in-kohat-ss-01

And that si today's news.. those heroes who did that are the product of Mawdudi students brain washing some uneducated underfed Muslim kids..

Any way I am glad you are interested in this subject. but my good friend charlesmartel is interested in Sania Mirza..
http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=9837.msg252720#msg252720

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Reply #4 - April 17, 2010, 10:50 AM

Don't forget 'shahid' Hasan al-Banna, founder of the Muslim Brotherhood.

Its off-shoot organisations, like CAIR, have quite a fair bit of influence these days.
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Reply #5 - April 17, 2010, 10:57 AM

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Don't forget 'shahid' Hasan al-Banna, founder of the Muslim Brotherhood.

Its off-shoot organisations, like CAIR, have quite a fair bit of influence these days.

You know Zebedee I don't like you picking that nick., I ask you why? lol..

But how can I forget fellow when his grandson is lecturing all over the world? I am actually reading that famous 2003 TV discussion between his grandson and Nicolas Sarkozy, the present President of France

http://www.spectator.co.uk/clivedavis/31307/searching-for-ramadan.thtml
http://www.faithfreedom.org/wordpress/?p=9310

But I can not write about all these guys in ONE day dear Zebedee Zebedee ..lol.

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Reply #6 - April 17, 2010, 11:22 AM

Quote from: billy on April 17, 2010, 10:18 AM

Maududi / Mawdudi (the spelling fluctuates) is arguably the most important Muslim ideologue of the last hundred years (along with Qutb)

His influence is cancerous, malign, hateful. It is impossible to understand modern Islamic identity-politics, the dynamics of Ummah-ism, especially in regard to Pakistan and the Pakistani diaspora, without studying and understanding this man.

The British media, for example, when discussing issues of Islam with Mawdudi disciples of the Jamat-e-Islami Muslim Council of Britain and other Muslim activists, do not understand their ideological position. If they knew about Mawdudi, an understanding of British Islamist identity-politics, from the 1989 Rushdie affair onwards, falls into place. It is the final piece of the jigsaw to an appreciation of the origin and ethos of Islamic politics and Islamic assertiveness in Britain. And yet, so little is known about him, relatively speaking, in the mainstream of the UK.

I would say that one thing this country needs is a fuller understanding of him, his ideology, and his disciples in the modern world. You can't confront, scrutinise and refute Mawdudi-ist snake-oil salesmen if you don't understand him in the first place. We need books to be written about him, television documentaries about him and his influence.

I've read two of Qutb's book - never have I read books by such a pissed off man who seems to hate everything and everyone lol The inability for him to look in the mirror and ask "why does the Muslim world suck" without resorting to blaming America and the West for all the woes.

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Reply #7 - April 18, 2010, 07:11 PM

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I've read two of Qutb's book - never have I read books by such a pissed off man who seems to hate everything and everyone lol The inability for him to look in the mirror and ask "why does the Muslim world suck" without resorting to blaming America and the West for all the woes.

This. Iv been reading his works, and there is that vain of sexually frustrated, impotent man running though the whole thing, to the point of being completely obvious. I mean his " travels through America" or whatever it is called it not even close to be intellectual it just seems to be a petty man who looks at women as sexual seducers. When I read it I though I was reading a diary of a sexual deviant and not a great intellectual writer.

I'm going to start reading Milestones, but I doubt I will find anything worth reading in it.

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Reply #8 - April 19, 2010, 01:20 AM

Quote from: deusvult on April 18, 2010, 07:11 PM
This. Iv been reading his works, and there is that vain of sexually frustrated, impotent man running though the whole thing, to the point of being completely obvious. I mean his " travels through America" or whatever it is called it not even close to be intellectual it just seems to be a petty man who looks at women as sexual seducers. When I read it I though I was reading a diary of a sexual deviant and not a great intellectual writer.

I'm going to start reading Milestones, but I doubt I will find anything worth reading in it.

The impression I always get is a man who believes he is smarter than he really is; believing he is part of an elite van guard who will bring a rapid change in fortunes to the Muslim world. Over lay that ego with a massive martyr complex that the world 'doesn't understand me' - with each 'strike' against him proof that the system hates him because he has the truth that upsets the status quo.

You're right about his view of women; its almost as though females are viewed as the ultimate temptress just as Eve tempted Adam in the garden of eden - thus he blames all of 'man's' failings on women tempting him off the 'straight path'. Where women are viewed as little more than a thing to he covered in a cloth that provides a hole for pleasure and producing a progeny to either trade at the market if it is a woman or inherit what ever property the father owns.

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Reply #9 - April 19, 2010, 01:41 AM

Well there is the general idea of "Women are temptresses" running though Islam and Christianity, but his works read way beyond what a normal person would say. She knew how to use her body to tempt me..... they were lewd animals caressing each other on the dance floor types of texts. Everything that involved a woman involved intense sexual tinged descriptions. That type of descriptions that make it so obvious that he had a deep seated rage and hatred towards women beyond the normal frustrations that go on between the sexes.

So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
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Reply #10 - April 19, 2010, 03:32 AM

Quote from: deusvult on April 19, 2010, 01:41 AM
Well there is the general idea of "Women are temptresses" running though Islam and Christianity, but his works read way beyond what a normal person would say. She knew how to use her body to tempt me..... they were lewd animals caressing each other on the dance floor types of texts. Everything that involved a woman involved intense sexual tinged descriptions. That type of descriptions that make it so obvious that he had a deep seated rage and hatred towards women beyond the normal frustrations that go on between the sexes.

But one wonders to what degree is 'Islam' responsible versus individuals using Islam to legitimatise or to build a construct around why a given position is taken. The 'tradition' of Muhammad was written down 200 years afterwards studying the behaviours and traditions of Mecca and Media - how much of a slide back to the old behaviour was there? there seem to be alot of faith by Muslims today that Muslims 200 years after Muhammad's death kept true to the tradition.

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Reply #11 - April 19, 2010, 04:05 AM

I think it is funny though , how Qutb's writing are a complete ripoff of communist writing at the time. I mean vanguard of pure Islamic people forming the core of a new society? Might as well call it Marx.

So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
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Reply #12 - April 19, 2010, 04:08 AM

Quote from: deusvult on April 19, 2010, 04:05 AM
I think it is funny though , how Qutb's writing are a complete ripoff of communist writing at the time. I mean vanguard of pure Islamic people forming the core of a new society? Might as well call it Marx.

Thats the thing; this belief there is a pure van guard who can lead society to the ultimate end goal; Sayyid Qutb talks about those who have been 'woken up' to see the world 'as it really is'; this belief that everyone is deluded and only a few have clear sight and vision. You're right, it is very Marxist when you hear workers party people go on about how the workers are ignorant of their situation and there needs to be a illuminated van guard who can remove the blinders off the workers to see reality as it really is.

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Reply #13 - April 19, 2010, 04:59 AM

Yea, the whole concept is directly ripped off of communism. There isn't such thing as an elite vanguard even explicatly mentioned in the Quran or the Hadith. He took the idea whole cloth from communism. Even his vision of a perfect Islamic society and economic system are communist concepts with Islamic words filled in.

So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
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Reply #14 - April 19, 2010, 05:23 AM

Quote from: deusvult on April 19, 2010, 04:59 AM
Yea, the whole concept is directly ripped off of communism. There isn't such thing as an elite vanguard even explicatly mentioned in the Quran or the Hadith. He took the idea whole cloth from communism. Even his vision of a perfect Islamic society and economic system are communist concepts with Islamic words filled in.

Then the ultimate end point where people are so pure they don't need a state because their union with Allah doesn't allow them to sin.

Reminds me of the documentary of a terrorist group that conducted a reign of terror and claimed that the 'leaders were corrupt' but the population could be woken up but a van guard, then when the population failed to 'wake up', they then claimed that the population were also corrupt exception those in their group so they waged an all out war against their own people, then they started to become paranoid about each other and who was 'pure'.

What ever the case maybe the utopian vision always ends in a genocide.

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Reply #15 - April 19, 2010, 09:49 AM

Here are two late 20th century and early 21st century scholars of traditional sunni islam.

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Reply #16 - April 23, 2010, 11:34 PM

anyone else wondering why the islamic intellectuals are all fugly?

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Reply #17 - April 23, 2010, 11:40 PM

I reckon when these white men convert to Islam and they dress up in all that stuff, it must activate some kind of funny thing inside them, of being adventurers or something, with those robes and that turban, the facial hair, all those Muslims eagerly looking up to them - oh to be The Man Who Would Be King!

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Reply #18 - April 24, 2010, 12:01 AM

It has everything to do with the fear of death.

People attach themselves to a collective, an identity, and they feel themselves immortalised.

They see themselves as part of some undying and enduring entity.

It sure beats having only one's own individual identity, which is contingent on the individual possessing it, and is bound to come to an end when the person dies.

Why the Arabic names? What the hell has that got to do with anything? Everything. Because it's all about identity.
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Reply #19 - April 24, 2010, 12:37 AM

Quote from: AisaLagtaHAI on April 23, 2010, 11:34 PM
anyone else wondering why the islamic intellectuals are all fugly?

Meh, Hamza Yusuf doesn't look ugly imho.

Quote from: billy on April 23, 2010, 11:40 PM
I reckon when these white men convert to Islam and they dress up in all that stuff, it must activate some kind of funny thing inside them, of being adventurers or something, with those robes and that turban, the facial hair, all those Muslims eagerly looking up to them - oh to be The Man Who Would Be King!

Well, it does remind me of that guy who recently died pointing out 3rd generation South East Asian immigrants who wear 'normal' clothes during the week but feel the need to wear a Salwar kameez on 'special occasions', that some how turning up at the mosque in a Salwar kameez makes the whole more 'authentic'. So it goes both ways; this desire to be 'authentically Muslim' by adopting some culture that is associated with Islam.

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Reply #20 - April 24, 2010, 08:54 PM

Quote from: AisaLagtaHAI on April 23, 2010, 11:34 PM
anyone else wondering why the ~~islamic~~ intellectuals are all fugly?

FYP

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Reply #21 - April 24, 2010, 08:57 PM

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FYP

You saying Muslims are ugly?

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Reply #22 - April 24, 2010, 09:00 PM

I changed it. I strike throughed the wrong word.

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Reply #23 - April 24, 2010, 09:09 PM

Ohhh lol.

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Reply #24 - April 26, 2010, 09:38 PM

My personal favourite Salafi 'intellectual'...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHS_pbxigf0&playnext_from=TL&videos=LLfmf1oZelA&feature=grec

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Reply #25 - April 26, 2010, 11:57 PM

Quote from: Zebedee on April 26, 2010, 09:38 PM
My personal favourite Salafi 'intellectual'...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHS_pbxigf0&playnext_from=TL&videos=LLfmf1oZelA&feature=grec

I love those hats.

I can see the attraction though; considering that the intellectuals who are moderate don't know a word of english and those who can speak it fluently are the extremists, who is going to get more time and more respect? maybe those intellectuals who cry out for moderation take an English class so they can compete on the battle field of ideas instead of sitting in stuffy offices.

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Reply #26 - April 27, 2010, 04:38 AM

Quote from: Zebedee on April 26, 2010, 09:38 PM
My personal favourite Salafi 'intellectual'...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHS_pbxigf0&playnext_from=TL&videos=LLfmf1oZelA&feature=grec

I love those hats.

Same here, those hats rock. I wonder what culture they come from. Maybe North Africa?

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Reply #27 - April 27, 2010, 05:58 AM

Mah, thats nothing; I've got an afghan hat

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Reply #28 - April 27, 2010, 06:01 AM

DAMMIT KAIWAI, I love Afghan hats!!

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Reply #29 - April 27, 2010, 06:03 AM

Quote from: Cool Canadian on April 27, 2010, 06:01 AM
DAMMIT KAIWAI, I love Afghan hats!!

My dad bought it back for me when he came back from Afghanistan

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