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  • Church opposes lessons in ethics.
     OP - April 15, 2010, 08:56 AM

    This is a kerfuffle that has been going on over here recently. For once, it doesn't involve the Vatican. It probably would, but they're kinda busy right now and don't seem to have noticed.  whistling2

    The story is that public schools in Australia have religious education classes. These are optional and these days between 50% and 80% of students, depending on the school, choose to opt out of them.

    The whole religious education thing is a holdover from the late 19th century, which is when these classes were introduced. Since that time, there has been an understanding that public schools will not offer other classes during the period allotted for religious education. This means that between 50% and 80% of students are now lounging around doing bugger all while the rest of their peers are praising the Lord.

    So, someone had the bright idea that maybe we should hold secular ethics classes during those periods so that students who don't do religious education classes can still learn something useful. The Anglican Church is outraged. I mean teaching kids ethics? It's unthinkable, dammit.  Tongue

    Much amusement follows.

    Bishop enters battle against secular ethics classes



    THE Bishop of North Sydney has urged Anglican priests to collect information from principals of public schools to stop the spread of the secular ethics classes the Sydney Anglicans believe may threaten religious education.

    In an email seen by the Herald, Bishop Glenn Davies urged ministers to contact the principals of public schools in their parishes to ascertain the exact numbers of children enrolled in religious education. This was even though most schools were not involved in the trial, which is being piloted at just 10 schools under the guidance of the St James Ethics Centre.

    ''The St James Ethics Centre claims that there are large numbers of students not enrolled in SRE [special religious education],'' the email from Bishop Davies read. ''We need to gather some accurate information to challenge this claim.''

    Bishop Davies added that ''there is an urgency to this request'' and asked for results by the following week.

    The Herald has learnt that even rectors whose local schools are not involved in the trial have turned up at P&C meetings to protest about the secular ethics classes.

    Groups of religious education teachers including Anglicans have also lobbied the principals of schools where the trial will occur, to make sure the trial did not affect their class numbers.

    The NSW Federation of Parents and Citizens' Associations and the St James Ethics Centre yesterday renewed their invitation to the Anglican Archbishop of Sydney, Peter Jensen, to meet to discuss the trial.

    ''There is absolutely no desire or intention to weaken religion or eliminate scripture from schools and to suggest otherwise is misleading,'' the centre's head, Simon Longstaff, said. ''The reality is that, prior to this trial being mounted, in some schools, 50 to 80 per cent of students were electing not to go to scripture.''

    The course would let children who did not take scripture class examine ethical issues, but without an overarching theology, he said.

    The president of the NSW Federation of Parents and Citizens' Associations, Di Giblin, said there was ''enormous interest'' in the secular ethics trial among parents, ''with more schools hoping to take part in the pilot than we can accommodate''.

    The NSW Teachers Federation said it was ''highly inappropriate'' that religious organisations should seek to interfere in a course designed to provide an alternative to religious education.

    Dr Jensen, who privately lobbied the Premier, Kristina Keneally, over the classes, said ethics should not be offered as an alternative to the Bible.

    His principal concern is that the ethics classes have been offered to all children at the pilot schools, not just those who have opted out of religious education, which he said was the original intention.

    The pilot program co-ordinator for the classes, Teresa Russell, said that in line with advice from the Department of Education, all parents at the relevant schools had been informed that ''all children were welcome'' at the ethics classes.

    Dr Jensen told ABC radio that the ethics trial had been ''rushed through'', which is why he had sought to have a meeting with the Premier, who he said was an ''interesting and intelligent person''.

    Ms Keneally assured him there would be ''proper discussion'' of the trial at its conclusion.

    Dr Jensen said it was not easy to be heard in the debate about the trial, in part because of ''countervailing forces that may be less scrupulous in putting their case''.


     parrot

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  • Re: Church opposes lessons in ethics.
     Reply #1 - April 15, 2010, 09:03 AM

    One thing I noticed about all of my Christian private-schooled friends is that they all absolutely hate religion. Maybe religious education has something to do with kids coming out of school with a bitter taste in their mouth...

    But I like the idea of secular ethics lessons...
  • Re: Church opposes lessons in ethics.
     Reply #2 - April 15, 2010, 10:13 AM

    Classes in Ethics as an alternative to Religious Education seems a great idea to me.  Afro
  • Re: Church opposes lessons in ethics.
     Reply #3 - April 15, 2010, 10:16 AM

    Yes but it's scary for the church because if you teach kids to think critically about ethics they might start questioning the ethics of slaughtering Canaanites and stoning rape victims.

    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: Church opposes lessons in ethics.
     Reply #4 - April 15, 2010, 05:59 PM

    Interesting story. Cheesy Wha?? Ethics without religion?! Next you'll be telling us we don't even need religion! Then who's going to fund us tax-free and help us keep our jobs as representatives of invisible sadist in the sky?! Roll Eyes

    "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused."
  • Re: Church opposes lessons in ethics.
     Reply #5 - April 15, 2010, 06:10 PM

    Whata fucktard!

    If everywhere in the world children were tought ethnicts and human rights, this world would be a much better place in just one generation!

    Keep stupid religion out of my morals idiot!!!!   finmad

    "We are never deceived, we deceive ourselves." - from Goethes Faust
    "Only the wisest and the stupidest men never change." - Confuzios
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  • Re: Church opposes lessons in ethics.
     Reply #6 - April 15, 2010, 09:00 PM

    This bit is my favourite:

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    Dr Jensen, who privately lobbied the Premier, Kristina Keneally, over the classes, said ethics should not be offered as an alternative to the Bible.

    His principal concern is that the ethics classes have been offered to all children at the pilot schools, not just those who have opted out of religious education, which he said was the original intention.

    Leaving aside "ethics should not be offered as an alternative to the Bible"  whistling2  the whole idea of offering any class in a public school is that any student can choose to attend it. Protesting about this simply because you're a priest and another class not connected to your religion is being offered is just ludicrous. It's like protesting against history classes being available to all students because they might learn non-Christian history. Roll Eyes

    Anyway here's some more on it.



    Keneally allows Anglican Church to vet content of ethics lessons

    THE Anglican Archbishop of Sydney has privately lobbied the Premier, Kristina Keneally, against the permanent introduction of secular ethics classes in public schools, saying they would jeopardise the future of religious education.

    Archbishop Peter Jensen said Ms Keneally had promised the Anglican Church would have input into the trial, which would be subject to an independent review.

    He sought the Premier's assurance that the trial would be genuine, not just a ''showpiece which heralds the beginning of classes anyway - in other words a fait accompli''.

    During the initial consultation process Dr Jensen refused to meet representatives from the St James Ethics Centre, which will conduct the trial, according to its executive director, Simon Longstaff.

    <snip>

    ''Be warned: if the government allows this course to continue after the trial, it will jeopardise religious education in public schools,'' Dr Jensen wrote in the Anglican newspaper Southern Cross. ''Without such a religious component, public schools will cease to be inclusive of all children.''

    Phil Cam, an associate professor of history and philosophy at the University of NSW, who developed the ethics curriculum, said the classes were not intended to undermine religious education. ''It's really designed as something rather than nothing for kids who are at the moment getting nothing,'' he said.

    ''The aim is for kids to learn to bring evidence and reason to bear in their thinking about ethical matters."


    What I want to know now is how a ethics class which is open to all students would mean that "public schools will cease to be inclusive of all children".

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