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  • Zakir Naik & the creation story in the Qur'an
     OP - March 28, 2010, 04:37 PM

    So a friend of mine who is a Muslim, is aware that I am a non-believer and is totally cool with it. He is one of the first close Muslim friends I came out to. Anyway when I did tell him, the one thing I brought up was the contradictions in the Quran, and I used the creation story as an example.

    So he emailed me the following article, to which I responded to him with a few links about the credibility of Zakir Naik...including youtube clips of him openly commending terrorism.

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    The Qur’an mentions in several places that the heavens and the were earth created in 6 days but in Surah Fussilat it says that the heavens and the earth were created in 8 days. Isn’t this a contradiction? The same verse also says that the earth was created in 6 days and then later on the heavens were created in 2 days. This is against the Big-Bang theory that the heavens and the earth were created simultaneously.


    1. Heavens and the Earth created in Six days

    I do agree that the Qur’an says that the heavens and the earth were created in 6 days i.e. 6 epochs and it is mentioned in:

    Surah Al A’raf chapter 7 verse 54
    Surah Yunus chapter 10 verse 3
    Surah Hud chapter 11 verse 7
    Surah Al Furqan chapter 25 verse 59
    Surah Al Sajdah chapter 32 verse 4
    Surah Qaf chapter 50 verse 38
    Surah Al Hadid chapter 57 verse 4


    The verses of the Qur’an which according to you say that the heavens and the earth were created in 8 days are Surah Fussilat chapter 41 verses 9 to 12

    "Say: Is it that ye deny Him Who created the earth in two days? And do ye join equals With him? He is the Lord of (all) the Worlds;

    He set on the (earth) mountains standing firm, High above it, and bestowed blessings on the earth, and measured therein all things to give them nourishment in due proportion, In four days, in accordance with (the needs of) Those who seek (sustenance)."

    Moreover, He Comprehended in His design the sky, and it had been (as) smoke. He said to it and to the earth. "Come ye together, willingly or unwillingly. They said: "We do come (Together), in willing obedience."

    So He completed them as seven firmaments in two days and He assigned to each heaven its duty and command and We adorned the lower heaven with lights, and (provided it) with guard. Such is the decree of (Him) the exalted in might, full of knowledge." [Al-Qur’an 41:9-12]


    On the face of it, it seems that these verses of the Qur’an give the initial impression that the heavens and the earth were created in 8 days.

    Allah says in the beginning of this verse that those who exploit this information contained in this passage to raise doubts about its authenticity are equally interested in promulgating blasphemy and denying His unity. Allah is telling us that in course of time, there will emerge unbelievers who will make use of this apparent contradiction.


    2. Summa means moreover

    If you analyse these verses carefully, it speaks about 2 different creations: the earth and the heaven. The earth excluding the mountains was created in 2 days and the mountains were set on the earth standing firm and blessed and measured its sustenance in 4 days. Therefore the earth along with the mountains was created in 6 days according to verse 9 and 10. Verse 11 and 12 says, moreover the heavens were created in 2 days. The Arabic word used in the beginning of verse 11 of Surah Fussilat is summa which means; ‘then’ or ‘moreover’. There are certain Qur’anic translations, which have, used ‘then’ for the word summa which, indicates ‘afterwards’. If ‘then’ is wrongly used for summa then the total of the creation of heaven and earth will be 8 days which will conflict with other verses of the Qur’an which says heavens and earth were created in 6 days and will also conflict with the Big Bang Theory as well as the verse of the Qur’an Surah Al Ambiya chapter 21 verse 30 which says that heavens and the earth were created simultaneously.

    Therefore the correct translation of the word summa in this verse would be ‘moreover’. Abdullah Yusuf Ali has rightly translated the word summa or moreover which clearly gives an indication that while the earth along with the mountains, etc. was created in 6 days simultaneously the heavens were created in 2 days. Therefore the total does not come to 8 days but 6 days.

    If a builder says that he will construct a 10 storey building and surrounding compound wall in 6 months and after completion of his project he gives a more detailed account saying that the basement of the building was built in 2 months and the 10 storeys took 4 months and simultaneously, while the basement and the building was being constructed, he also constructed the surrounding of the building along with the compound wall which took 2 months. Therefore both his first and second descriptions are not contradicting but the second statement gives a more detailed account for the construction.


    3. Heavens and the Earth created simultaneously

    The Qur’an describe the creation of the universe in several places, sometimes it says the heavens and the earth (7:54, 10:3, 11:7, 25:59, 32:4, 50:38, 57:4) while in other places it says earth and the heaven (49:9-12, 2:29, 20:4) thus further supplementing the verse of Surah Al Ambiya chapter 21 verse 30 which speaks about the Big-Bang and that the heavens and the earth were created simultaneously.

    Similarly in Surah Al-Baqara chapter 2 verse 29

    "It is He Who hath created for you all things that are on earth; Then He turned to the heaven and made them into seven firmaments. And of all things He hath perfect knowledge." [Al-Qur’an 2:29]

    "It is who has created for you all things on the earth summa simultaneously made the heaven into seven firmaments".


    Here also if you wrongly translate summa as ‘then’ only then would this verse contradict the Big-bang theory and other verses of the Qur’an. Therefore the correct translation of the word summa is ‘moreover’ or ‘simultaneously’.

    By: Dr. Zakir Naik

  • Re: Zakir Naik & the creation story in the Qur'an
     Reply #1 - March 28, 2010, 05:06 PM

    People are better off reading what astrophysicists like Neil DeGrasse Tyson, Stephen Hawking et al. have said about the formation of the Universe - which is actual science - compare that with the pseudoscience of some scientifically illiterate religious mouthpiece.

    Pakistan Zindabad? ya Pakistan sey Zinda bhaag?

    Long Live Pakistan? Or run with your lives from Pakistan?
  • Re: Zakir Naik & the creation story in the Qur'an
     Reply #2 - March 29, 2010, 12:32 AM

    I'm pretty sure that chapters 41 and 79 completely contradict each other in terms of the Islamic creation story.

    chapter 79:

    [79:27]
    Are you harder to create or the heaven which He has built?

    [79:28]
    He made it rise high and levelled it,

    [79:29]
    and darkened its night, and brought forth its day;

    [79:30]
    and after that He spread out the earth;

    [79:31]
    from it He has brought forth its waters and its pastures,

    [79:32]
    and has set firm the mountains

    [79:33]
    as a [source of] sustenance for you and your flocks.

    chapter 41:

    [41:9]
    Say: ‘Do you [really] disbelieve in Him Who created the earth in two days, and ascribe to Him associates? That is the Lord of [all] the Worlds.

    [41:10]
    And He set therein firm mountains [rising] above it, and blessed it, and ordained therein its [various means of] sustenance in four days — evenly for [all] enquirers.

    [41:11]
    Then He turned to the heaven when it was smoke, and He said to it and to the earth, “Come both of you willingly, or unwillingly!” They said, “We come willingly!”

    [41:12]
    Then He ordained them seven heavens in two days; and in each heaven He revealed its commandment’. And We adorned the lowest heaven with lamps, and [this was also] to guard them. That is the ordaining of the Mighty, the Knower.

    In surah 79, Allah says that he ordered the sky first, and spread the earth second. In surah 41, he says that the earth and its mountains, vegetation, etc., were created first, and then he turned to the sky and ordered it.

    And actually, the verse that Naik cites further supports this:

    2:29: He it is Who created for you all that is in the earth; then He turned to heaven and levelled them seven heavens and He has knowledge of all things.

    The major tafasir also interpret 'thumma' as being 'then:'

    Ibn Kathir: (He it is Who created for you all that is on earth. Then He Istawa ila the heaven and made them seven heavens) meaning, He turned towards the heaven,

    Jalalayn: He it is Who created for you all that is in the earth, that is, the earth and all that is in it, so that you may benefit from and learn lessons from it; then, after creating the earth...

    Tanwir al-Miqbas: Allah then proceeded to mention His blessings on them, saying (He it is Who created for you), made subservient for you (all that is in the earth) of beasts, plants and other things, as a blessing from Him. (Then turned He to the heaven)

    If you look in any Arabic dictionary, or look at the online translators and and type in 'then,' I'll think you'll find that the word invariably comes up in the Arabic as 'thumma,' ثُمّ.

    And it's clear from reading the Qur'an that the ordering of the heavens and the earth does not happen at the same, so the understanding of the word meaning 'simultaneously' simply isn't viable.

    But, this is the reasoning of Muslim apologists. The Qur'an can't mean 'then' because if it did, then that would mean that the Qur'an is wrong, and the Qur'an can't be wrong because it's the inerrant word of God. And we know that the Qur'an is the inerrant word of God because it doesn't have any mistakes or contradictions in it!

    And the circular 'reasoning' continues....

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