Who exactly is Dhul Qarnain?

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Who exactly is Dhul Qarnain?
OP - March 26, 2010, 03:17 AM

I heard of this guy and how he was some great warrior in the past who locked up Gog and Magog in some invisible wall. Also, some people told me he is Alexander the Great, but some say he is not. He has 2 horns on his head. I don't know anything else. Can you guys explain further?

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Re: Who exactly is Dhul Qarnain?
Reply #1 - March 26, 2010, 03:30 AM

He invented ice cream.

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Re: Who exactly is Dhul Qarnain?
Reply #2 - March 26, 2010, 03:35 AM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dhul-Qarnayn#Alexander_the_Great

It is most definitely a legendary reference to Alexander the Great.

The "Two Horned" reference comes from the fact that Alexander was deemed a god-man by the priests of Amun-Ra and that symbol of divinity were the two-horns. The ancient coin below is a representation of Alexander as a god with the two horns.

This usage of the "two horned one" in reference to Alexander was quite prevalent in the ancient mideast and was carried eventually into the Christian era (ie Christian Egypt, Syria, Palestine). During the early christian era the Christians began revisionist process of recasting old classical pagan figures as righteous monotheistic ones. This is the beginnings of the Alexander Romance. These mythical and false representations of Alexander as a sort of righteous believing David/Solomon-like figure was absorbed into many ancient mideastern christian cultures at the time.

These myths naturally travelled into Arabia too and so when Prophet was a merchant it is highly likely he learnt of the mythical stories of Alexander and Muhammad most likely took it as historical fact - being a simple arab merchant without any divine knowledge. And, as expected, that mythical representation of Alexander was also reproduced in the Quran along with all its erroneous implications. Most Muslim scholars considered Dhul-Qarnayn to be Alexander, though some smarter medieval scholars who actually read history realized the real Alexander was actually a pagan bisexual warmonger and tried to shoot down the Alexander identification.

Only in modern times are mainstream muslims denying that Dhul-Qarnayn is Alexander because it is now common knowledge that Alexander was nothing like what the Quran describes.

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Re: Who exactly is Dhul Qarnain?
Reply #3 - March 26, 2010, 04:13 AM

Quote from: Q-Man on March 26, 2010, 03:30 AM
He invented ice cream.

REALLY Q-Man?

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Re: Who exactly is Dhul Qarnain?
Reply #4 - March 26, 2010, 04:13 AM

Quote from: Iblis on March 26, 2010, 03:35 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dhul-Qarnayn#Alexander_the_Great

It is most definitely a legendary reference to Alexander the Great.

The "Two Horned" reference comes from the fact that Alexander was deemed a god-man by the priests of Amun-Ra and that symbol of divinity were the two-horns. The ancient coin below is a representation of Alexander as a god with the two horns.

(Clicky for piccy!)

This usage of the "two horned one" in reference to Alexander was quite prevalent in the ancient mideast and was carried eventually into the Christian era (ie Christian Egypt, Syria, Palestine). During the early christian era the Christians began revisionist process of recasting old classical pagan figures as righteous monotheistic ones. This is the beginnings of the Alexander Romance. These mythical and false representations of Alexander as a sort of righteous believing David/Solomon-like figure was absorbed into many ancient mideastern christian cultures at the time.

These myths naturally travelled into Arabia too and so when Prophet was a merchant it is highly likely he learnt of the mythical stories of Alexander and Muhammad most likely took it as historical fact - being a simple arab merchant without any divine knowledge. And, as expected, that mythical representation of Alexander was also reproduced in the Quran along with all its erroneous implications. Most Muslim scholars considered Dhul-Qarnayn to be Alexander, though some smarter medieval scholars who actually read history realized the real Alexander was actually a pagan bisexual warmonger and tried to shoot down the Alexander identification.

Only in modern times are mainstream muslims denying that Dhul-Qarnayn is Alexander because it is now common knowledge that Alexander was nothing like what the Quran describes.

Thanks for the info Iblis

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Re: Who exactly is Dhul Qarnain?
Reply #5 - March 26, 2010, 04:41 AM

Quote from: Cool Canadian on March 26, 2010, 04:13 AM
REALLY Q-Man?

Yes

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dhul-Qarnayn

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Re: Who exactly is Dhul Qarnain?
Reply #6 - March 26, 2010, 04:52 AM

Wtg Dhul Qarnayn, responsible for many a woman's thunder thighs

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Re: Who exactly is Dhul Qarnain?
Reply #7 - March 26, 2010, 05:14 AM

Quote from: Q-Man on March 26, 2010, 04:41 AM
Yes

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dhul-Qarnayn

Thats a load of bullshit. There is no source for that.

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Re: Who exactly is Dhul Qarnain?
Reply #8 - March 26, 2010, 06:09 AM

Sure there's a source for it-- me. I'm the one who wrote it. Therefore, Wikipedia says it and an independent source (me) confirms it-- two reliable sources, what more do you need for proof?

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Re: Who exactly is Dhul Qarnain?
Reply #9 - March 26, 2010, 06:12 AM

Q, stay the fuck away from our wiki.

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Re: Who exactly is Dhul Qarnain?
Reply #10 - March 26, 2010, 06:17 AM

Wikipedia vandalism is loads of fun. You should see what I've done to the Honore de Balzac entry before. Remember the good old days of wikipedia when bullshit edits and entries were up for weeks before they were deleted? Now most of the time it's minutes.

I remember reading an entry on Gandhi and one of the sections was Why he had AIDS and beneath it was written simply "Gandhi had AIDS"

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Re: Who exactly is Dhul Qarnain?
Reply #11 - March 26, 2010, 08:27 AM

Oh Takashi, you rascal.

But actually, it is equally as likely that he invented Ice Cream as he 'defeated and locked up Gog and Magog'.
Where the heck is Gog anyway? Are they still locked up? Where is the wall? It would be a great tourist attraction. Those poor guys, locked up behind a giant wall for thousands of years...No wonder they're pissed

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Re: Who exactly is Dhul Qarnain?
Reply #12 - March 26, 2010, 03:14 PM

Quote from: thinkfree on September 28, 2010, 07:58 PM
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Re: Who exactly is Dhul Qarnain?
Reply #13 - March 26, 2010, 10:01 PM

Quote from: Q-Man on March 26, 2010, 04:41 AM
Yes

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dhul-Qarnayn

Damn, it's already been reverted. Fuckin killjoys.

I still say he invented ice cream, in its original flavor-- Rocky Road.

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Re: Who exactly is Dhul Qarnain?
Reply #14 - March 26, 2010, 10:08 PM

Nice, and now I have your IP and..

LATITUDE 39.9302
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A daisy cutter bomb strike right now exactly at those coordinates would kill Q-man.

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Re: Who exactly is Dhul Qarnain?
Reply #15 - March 26, 2010, 10:16 PM

Nope that would kill someone on the other side of the Schuylkill on S. 56th Street.

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