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Conversations With History of Pakistan - Ahmed Rashid

A wonderful History of Pakistan ..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OWsmJIwe9Q4
An hr discussion., "Descent into Chaos" Conversations host Harry Kreisler welcomes Pakistani Journalist Ahmed Rashid for a discussion of United States foreign policy and the failure of nation building in Pakistan

Other one is also Conversations With History Pakistan- Tariq Ali
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFDcGnupj8E

Harry Kreisler welcomes writer and journalist Tariq Ali for a discussion of Pakistan and it relations with the United States. He places the present crisis in its historical context exploring the origins of the Pakistani state, the failure to forge a national identity, the inability and unwillingness of Pakistani leaders to address the country's poverty and inequality, and the role of the military in the country's spiral toward violence and disunity. In this context, Tariq Ali highlights the significance of the U.S. relationship throughout Pakistan's history and he analyzes current US policy and it implications for stability in the region.. Recorded September 26, 2008

Great Videos to learn about Pakistan.. ~ 2HRS..

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Reply #1 - February 14, 2010, 05:42 PM

thanks - i've bookmarked the tariq ali one to watch ..

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Reply #2 - February 14, 2010, 05:54 PM

You may also be interested in this video that I came across . this an interview of Son of Famous Jew who converted in to Islam whose Mother was Saudi .. and settled in Pakistan and died in Spain

and That famous Jewish guy was Muhammad Asad, who was Leopold Weiss until his mid 20s.. who translated Quran

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfAGnxKfwOg

Fascinating real life story of a mixed culture of Talal Asad .. Great Guy.. wonderful interview.. I didn't know Leopold Weiss married a Saudi lady in early 1910s and had a son ...

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Reply #3 - February 15, 2010, 04:54 AM

Muhammad Asad was quite the hero for the Pakistan Movement when he first came to British India. He was made the first Pakistani Ambassador to the UN as well as being a valued diplomat in the Foreign Ministry of Pakistan until the early 1950s. But apparently he got disillusioned with the increasing influence of Deobandi zealots in public affairs and then left Pakistan.

http://pakistaniat.com/2007/04/16/muhammad-mohammad-mohammed-asad-message-quran-koran-road-mecca-pakistan/

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Reply #4 - February 15, 2010, 07:59 AM

Whoa is this the son of Mohammed Asad? His son is still muslim?
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Reply #5 - February 15, 2010, 04:01 PM

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Whoa is this the son of Mohammed Asad? His son is still muslim?

He is., he son of Muhammad Asad Aka Leopold Weiss A Jew..

I don't think so. He is not following what the book says. He may be a Muslim for family dinners and he says., He is very happy that his father pushed him to go west instead of settling in WEST PUNJAB..

http://www.renaissance.com.pk/maylefor2y2.html

http://tyo.ca/islambank.community/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=1024

http://prelectur.stanford.edu/lecturers/asad/

His Human rights OVER RIDES ALL ISLAMIC RIGHTS A MUSLIM ROBOT in MOSQUE has...

http://blogs.ssrc.org/tif/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/Talal-Asad-and-Abdullahi-An-Naim-in-conversation.pdf

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Reply #6 - February 16, 2010, 04:55 PM

Tariq Aziz is a typical commie. Lets tax the rich and give it to the poor, lets penalize the most productive of the society to feed and educate the illiterate. Lets start with sterilizing them so they don't create more babies into poverty. The absurd idea is to get rid of the wealthy aristocratic land lords of Pakistan, who actually in most cases employ these lower-class peasants. At least they have a job, but Tariq Aziz does not even want them to have that. Absurd these guys are always attacking the land-lords for no reason at all.

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Reply #7 - February 16, 2010, 05:00 PM

You have some unusual ideas Tut

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Reply #8 - February 16, 2010, 05:18 PM

Quote from: King Tut on February 16, 2010, 04:55 PM
Tariq Aziz is a typical commie. Lets tax the rich and give it to the poor, lets penalize the most productive of the society to feed and educate the illiterate. Lets start with sterilizing them so they don't create more babies into poverty. The absurd idea is to get rid of the wealthy aristocratic land lords of Pakistan, who actually in most cases employ these lower-class peasants. At least they have a job, but Tariq Aziz does not even want them to have that. Absurd these guys are always attacking the land-lords for no reason at all.

Tariq Aziz is an Iraqi Baathist. Tariq Ali is a British-Pakistani commie.

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Reply #9 - February 16, 2010, 05:51 PM

Whatever his name is. I confuse them two.

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Reply #10 - February 16, 2010, 05:51 PM

Quote from: IsLame on February 16, 2010, 05:00 PM
You have some unusual ideas Tut

Most innovative folks do.

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Reply #11 - February 16, 2010, 06:05 PM

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The absurd idea is to get rid of the wealthy aristocratic land lords of Pakistan, who actually in most cases employ these lower-class peasants. At least they have a job, but Tariq Aziz does not even want them to have that. Absurd these guys are always attacking the land-lords for no reason at all.

On that note of aristocratic land lords of Pakistan, I wonder what King Tut and other friends say about these videos.. This is MQM leader Altaf hussein interviews.. Please watch..

Altaf hussein inbrunch with bushra : An exclusive interview -Part1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YqSUYXmt_E

Altaf Hussain's Exclusive Interview with Bushra Ansari Part2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqql4fOGRvY

Altaf Hussain's Exclusive Interview with Bushra Ansari Part3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ScWbQUpbv78

Altaf Hussain's Exclusive Interview with Bushra Ansari Part4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NuoX58XiSmc

Altaf Hussain's Exclusive Interview with Bushra Ansari Part5
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-hLYaUsP94

Altaf Hussain's Exclusive Interview with Bushra Ansari Part6
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzQAiyOBmP4

Altaf Hussain's Exclusive Interview with Bushra Ansari Part7
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GcNuRENOGC8

Altaf Hussain's Exclusive Interview with Bushra Ansari Part8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtT35TCRW9U

Altaf Hussain's Exclusive Interview with Bushra Ansari Part9
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqOjO7A2O9c

A very interesting interview.. Please watch .. many of you guys do come from Pakistan..

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Reply #12 - February 16, 2010, 06:19 PM

I like MQM to a degree, it was always a secular movement.

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Reply #13 - February 16, 2010, 06:25 PM

I don't like Altaf though, he is an Pakistani Indian, and any city where Pakistani Indians dominate they turn it into a really nasty and dirty place, look at Karachi majority of the population are immigrant Indians. Look at Punjabi cites much more cleaner. Look at New Deli it is a slum, Punjabis would never tolerate slum-dog lifestyle.

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Reply #14 - February 16, 2010, 06:35 PM

What is your opinion about Pashtun/Balochi/Sindhi these nationalists? Are they good guys?
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Reply #15 - February 16, 2010, 06:44 PM

Pashtun, should ideally be in Afghanistan, we have our own problems, and the Taliban do not rule Afghanistan any-more, they should go home. I don't have any ill-will with real Pakistani pushtoons, who had always lived in areas like Attock. Bolochis, need a good ass whooping in my opinion we need to send a few Punjabi platoons down there to sort some of these troublemakers out. Muhajirs Sindhis can go back to India, they are really Indians, and we cannon support them.

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Reply #16 - February 16, 2010, 07:02 PM

King Tut, you are an interesting Guy atleast you are speaking your mind, I have another question if you don't mind.

What is your definition of a Pakistani? since as much i'm guess you don't like anybody except Punjabis ?
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Reply #17 - February 16, 2010, 07:32 PM

Frankly Pakistan was a bad idea. Pakistani is someone who, supports the army wants the unification of Pakistan, supports the idea of a democratic and secular Pakistan, is well educated and is from the middle, and upper classes of Pakistani society. Of course, this is my definition not the actual definition.

In any case I am not a big fan of Pakistan, it is too ethnically fragmented, I want a United Punjab as an independent nation. Both Pakistani and India Punjab united.

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Reply #18 - February 16, 2010, 07:37 PM

Here is a good article:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Punjab

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Reply #19 - February 16, 2010, 07:57 PM

I can understand your point of view regarding united Punjab, that's understandable. I also agree that Pakistan was not a good idea.

But If Pakistan has to survive, i would only be on equal grounds for all participating nationalities. So if we talk of Pakistan than we have to accept all nations as equal partners. Further countries are not more important than the people which are living in them, countries are just collection of institutions, and only that institution can survive which works, though still i want Pakistan to work and succeed, but the recent signs are saying something else..

Regarding Army, i believe we don't need such a big army.
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Reply #20 - February 16, 2010, 08:01 PM

Pakistan will survive, once the older folks die off. The younger generation, realize that fragmenting the country just makes them weaker. Look at Bangladesh it is a shithole, and they said they would be better off without Pakistan.

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Reply #21 - February 16, 2010, 08:14 PM

Fragmentation is not something that people are doing to the country, Its the fact that there are multiple ethnicities living in this country, and they have their own language and history.

And i don't believe that, it makes the country weaker. You can have multiple nations in the country, they just have to agree on something common Law, And there should be mutual trust, and no injustice.

And i don't believe that, nations die out in single generation, further as you want your own united Punjab, than you should understand why Bengali wanted there country?

And atleast they are on the right track, recently they have banned religion in politics, will take us decades to do such a thing.
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Reply #22 - February 17, 2010, 05:46 AM

The only way Pakistan can survive is to first castrate the power of this country's national "leaders", all of whom more or less come from very strong feudal bloodlines (Bhuttos, Zardaris, Chaudhrys, Sharif brothers, etc) and have always tended to petty regional bullshit rather than united effort for the country. The middle class must have a voice and it must become proactive without becoming lame sheep in the hands of bigots like Zaid Hamid nor the hypocrisy of Imran Khan.

Imran has what it takes to be a great leader, but he tends to hang out with the wrong people - not to mention being a Taliban apologist.

Second and third is simple: Secular Education with decreasing Islamisation bullshit interference. The fraud of American/Saudi backed Islamisation was a bullshit legacy of the late 1970s and 1980s. We have seen how well Pakistan has become in the name of Allah, Jihad, and Dollar.

My dad often says in Urdu:

Imaan, Ittehad, Tanzeem;
naam ko nahin hum mein.
Kartay hain hum Jihad,
Dollar ki talaash mein.

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Reply #23 - February 18, 2010, 02:42 PM

Quote from: mateen on February 16, 2010, 08:14 PM
And i don't believe that, nations die out in single generation, further as you want your own united Punjab, than you should understand why Bengali wanted there country?

And atleast they are on the right track, recently they have banned religion in politics, will take us decades to do such a thing.

Mateen - is that you in your avatar?

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Reply #24 - February 18, 2010, 02:45 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4R7aMeBByQ

So what do you guys think abut this wonderful lady?? And when do I expect to see every women dressing up with her designs.. I wonder some times does she really understand Islam., Or she has different brand of Islam??

any way please watch these videos also., these are from Hasan Nisar

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tO4GJuKMrak

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfUoe5Ql5J0 part-1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hn8EfIGeTIw part-2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKM52MeNEzk part-3

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mDwHsK1qxg

My goodness.. what a video., The kids asking terrific questions ., and please watch his number of videos on this page..
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Hasan+Nisar%3A+Pak+%26+Muslim+Societies&search_type=&aq=f

I wonder about the opinion of friends reading this thread on Hasan Nisar..

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Reply #25 - February 18, 2010, 02:55 PM

I like Hasan Nisar. He is a level headed realist rather than an emotionally charged fiery idiot a-la Zaid Hamid.

Quote from: IsLame on February 18, 2010, 02:42 PM
Mateen - is that you in your avatar?

Actually that is Eminem, the rapper.

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Reply #26 - February 18, 2010, 03:21 PM

Of course it is

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Reply #27 - February 18, 2010, 04:28 PM

Love the guy, could not have sum it up any better then his quote:

Translation: "Pakistanis care about Arab conflicts, but the Arabs would not even feed grass to Pakistanis"

It has more resonance in Urdu, but you get the picture.

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Reply #28 - February 18, 2010, 04:31 PM

Kids of Pakistan

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pG0471UGgww

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtR_6mTVvdA

interesting videos... there is future..

I wonder if all Major Muslim nations elect women as leaders of their respective countries., many problems will go away with in a decade.. Am I wrong in assuming that??

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Reply #29 - February 18, 2010, 04:32 PM

Is Hasan Nisr muslim?
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