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  • Wole Soyinka slams Britain for being a 'cesspit of extremism'
     OP - February 02, 2010, 04:12 PM

    England is 'cesspit' breeding Islamists, says Soyinka
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    England is a "cesspit" and breeding ground for fundamentalist Muslims, the Nobel laureate and political activist Wole Soyinka has said in an interview in which he also accused Britain of allowing the existence of "indoctrination schools".

    His extraordinary attack on what he views as Britain's part in fuelling Islamist terrorism was published on the US news and opinion website The Daily Beast. It was coupled with his assertion that the 1989 fatwa issued by Ayatollah Khomeini against Salman Rushdie meant that the assumption of power over life and death had passed "to every ?inconsequential Muslim in the world".

    Soyinka, the first African to win the Nobel prize for literature in 1986, made his claims in response to a question about his homeland of Nigeria being added to the watchlist of countries deemed to be incubating terrorists, after the failed attempts of Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab to bring an airliner down over the US on Christmas Day.

    "That was an irrational, knee-jerk reaction by the Americans," the writer said. "The man did not get radicalised in Nigeria. It happened in England, where he went to university.

    "England is a cesspit. England is the breeding ground of fundamentalist ?Muslims. Its social logic is to allow all religions to preach openly. But this is illogic, because none of the other religions preach apocalyptic violence.

    "And yet England allows it. Remember, that country was the breeding ground for communism, too. Karl Marx did all his work in libraries there ?"

    Soyinka added: "This is part of the character of Great Britain. Colonialism bred an innate arrogance, but when you undertake that sort of imperial adventure, that arrogance gives way to a feeling of accommodativeness. You take pride in your openness."

    The attempted Christmas Day bombing has helped to raise fears that some British universities are becoming places in which young Muslims are radicalised ? ?Abdulmutallab attended University College, London. But Soyinka, who splits his time between the US and Nigeria, suggested that British Muslims were being radicalised earlier in their lives.

    "I doubt you can have the kind of indoctrination schools in America as you do in the UK," he said. "Besides, there's a large body of American Muslims in the US ? the Nation of Islam ? which has created a kind of mainstream Muslim institution. The Muslims there are open Muslims, whereas in Europe they tend to go into ghetto schools. "The Nation of Islam provides an antidote in the United States to fundamentalist Islam ? which is why individuals from America have to go abroad to find radical teachings."

    And , speaking about the fatwa issued by Khomeini against Rushdie, he said: "It all began when he assumed the power of life and death over the life of a writer. This was a watershed between doctrinaire aggression and physical aggression. There was an escalation. The assumption of power over life and death then passed to every single inconsequential Muslim in the world ? as if someone had given them a new stature.

    "Al-Qaida is the descendant of this phenomenon. The proselytisation of Islam became vigorous after this. People went to Saudi Arabia. Madrasas were established everywhere."


    From the Guardian: http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2010/feb/02/soyinka-england-cesspit-islamists

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  • Re: Wole Soyinka slams Britain for being a 'cesspit of extremism'
     Reply #1 - February 02, 2010, 04:14 PM


    There is some harsh truth in that.


    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


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  • Re: Wole Soyinka slams Britain for being a 'cesspit of extremism'
     Reply #2 - February 02, 2010, 04:15 PM


    Good old Wole - just a reminder that his book 'The Burden of Memory, the Muse of Forgiveness' touches on issues of Islamic slavery in Africa and other stuff - an excellent read. He has always stood against tyranny and extremism in all its forms.


    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Wole Soyinka slams Britain for being a 'cesspit of extremism'
     Reply #3 - February 02, 2010, 04:16 PM

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    Mr. Soyinka earned a burst of applause with his own, ingenious solution: "I think this is where our rocket engineers and astronauts can come to our rescue. We should assemble all those who are pure and cannot abide other faiths, put them all in rockets, and fire them into space." In our own conversation, he offered?almost apologetically?a more prosaic solution: "Education. And rigorous punishment for those who feel, not 'I'm right, you're wrong,' but 'I'm right, you're dead.'"


     Cheesy



    Source: http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2010-01-31/wole-soyinkas-british-problem/?cid=hp:mainpromo5

    Atheism is a non-prophet organization.

    The sleeper has awakened -  Dune

    Give a man a fish, and you'll feed him for a day Give him a religion, and he'll starve to death while praying for a fish!
  • Re: Wole Soyinka slams Britain for being a 'cesspit of extremism'
     Reply #4 - February 02, 2010, 05:35 PM

    Good, and I do believe he is right in many aspects. I think the UK government is just too afraid to actually address the problem so it pretends that the problem is not there.

    http://www.theage.com.au/world/britain-named-extremist-hub-20100116-mdci.html

    http://www.theage.com.au/world/britain-named-extremist-hub-20100116-mdci.html

    Quote
    BRITAIN has the greatest number of Islamic extremists linked to al-Qaeda of any Western country and poses a grave risk to international security, the US Government believes.

    Terrorist groups are using Britain as a base to plot attacks around the world, say officials.

    American leaders believe the Government is failing to combat the threat of extremism among Muslims living in Britain.

    ''The UK has the greatest concentration of active al-Qaeda supporters of any Western country,'' a senior US official told London's Daily Telegraph. ''As a result, no Western country has been more threatened than the UK, but the UK-based al-Qaeda network poses not only a potent threat to Britain but to the rest of the world.''

    The disclosure of American fears will increase transatlantic tensions over the attempted terrorist attack on an airliner above Detroit last month.

    Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab, the would-be suicide bomber, has said his attack was inspired and directed by al-Qaeda.

    It has been claimed he was radicalised in London, where the Nigerian was a student between 2005 and 2008. British officials insist that he became a terrorist in Yemen.

    US officials believe European Muslims are more likely than their US counterparts to subscribe to extremist doctrines. The US prides itself on ''assimilating'' all immigrant groups into mainstream culture, while European nations including Britain have pursued a policy of multiculturalism. Critics say it leaves Muslims at risk of being alienated from wider society and susceptible to radical movements.

    ''The level of al-Qaeda activity in Britain is becoming a major source of concern,'' said a senior US State Department official. ''(Its) ability to use Britain as a base to plot terror attacks constitutes a serious threat to the security of Britain and other Western countries.''

    The failed Detroit attack has renewed attention on Britain's record in dealing with terrorism.

    Abdulmutallab's attack was the second al-Qaeda attempt to bring down a US-bound plane that could be linked to Britain. In 2001, Richard Reid, of London, tried to explode a bomb in his shoe on a flight to Miami.

    Among some US politicians and security experts, London has been dubbed ''Londonistan'' because of the presence of so many radical Muslims and mosques with connections to extremist preachers.

    British universities are a particular concern. Abdulmutallab was president of the Islamic Society at University College London in 2006-2007.

    Although the July 7 bombings in London in 2005 were the only fatal al-Qaeda attacks in Britain, many other plots have been disrupted. Jonathan Evans, the head of MI5, said in 2008 that his service was aware of about 2000 radicalised Muslims in Britain who might be involved in terrorism plots. The US believes that number has since risen.

    US intelligence officers are also concerned about the number of British Muslims travelling to Yemen to become involved in extremist activity.


  • Re: Wole Soyinka slams Britain for being a 'cesspit of extremism'
     Reply #5 - February 02, 2010, 05:46 PM


    In reference to Khomeini's fatwa. This is particularly perceptive of Mr Soyinka:

    +++++

    "It all began when he assumed the power of life and death over the life of a writer. This was a watershed between doctrinaire aggression and physical aggression. There was an escalation. The assumption of power over life and death then passed to every single inconsequential Muslim in the world, as if someone had given them a new stature.

    "Al Qaeda is the descendent of this phenomenon. The proselytization of Islam became vigorous after this. People went to Saudi Arabia. Madrassas were established everywhere."

    +++++

    1989 and the fatwa against Salman Rushdie was the big bang moment for Islamism in the UK, and one of the markers for it around the world.



    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Wole Soyinka slams Britain for being a 'cesspit of extremism'
     Reply #6 - November 24, 2015, 12:45 PM

    Bump.

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Wole Soyinka slams Britain for being a 'cesspit of extremism'
     Reply #7 - November 24, 2015, 12:55 PM

  • Wole Soyinka slams Britain for being a 'cesspit of extremism'
     Reply #8 - November 24, 2015, 01:14 PM

    Please refrain from suicide-bombing threads. Some of us have to clean up afterwards.
  • Wole Soyinka slams Britain for being a 'cesspit of extremism'
     Reply #9 - November 24, 2015, 01:34 PM

    That was just the dry run in my back garden.
  • Wole Soyinka slams Britain for being a 'cesspit of extremism'
     Reply #10 - November 25, 2015, 10:20 PM

    Ugh, I read that there is a possibility of AK-47s being smuggled into the UK, which has been a concern since August apparently (going by what I found on The Telegraph). Police found that weapons were being smuggled in summer.


    As if my own fears since what happened in Paris aren't bad enough.
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