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 Topic: Israel court grants author's request to register 'without religion'

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  • Israel court grants author's request to register 'without religion'
     OP - October 02, 2011, 03:15 PM

    http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/israel-court-grants-author-s-request-to-register-without-religion-1.387571

    Quote
    Israel court grants author's request to register 'without religion'

    Sapir Prize winner Yoram Kaniuk sets legal precedent implying that all Israelis can self-determine their own religious identity.

    By Tomer Zarchin

    After brief deliberations on the eve of last week's Rosh Hashanah holiday, a Tel Aviv judge ruled that Israeli author Yoram Kaniuk could register his official religious status as "without religion."

    "Freedom from religion is a freedom derived from the right to human dignity, which is protected by the Basic Law on Human Dignity and Freedom," Judge Gideon Ginat of the Tel Aviv District Court wrote in his unusual ruling.

    He went on to say that he believed that the Basic Laws, which function as constitution law in Israel, and in particular the Basic Law on Human Dignity and Freedom, alleviates from the plaintiff the burden of proof in demanding to be defined as religionless.

    "The only question that must be weighed is whether the plaintiff proved the seriousness of his intentions ... I see no need to impose on the plaintiff any burden with the exception of bringing his request before the court," Ginat wrote.

    "This is a ruling of historic proportions," Kaniuk said to Haaretz yesterday, with audible emotion. "The court granted legitimacy to every person to live by their conscience in this land, in ruling that human dignity and freedom means a person can determine their own identity and definition. In this way I can be without religion but Jewish by nationality. I am so thrilled," Kaniuk said.

    In May Kaniuk asked the court to order the Interior Ministry to allow him "to be liberated from the Jewish religion" by changing his "religion" entry in the Population Registry from "Jewish" to "without religion." The ministry had refused his earlier request.

    In his petition, Kaniuk explained that he had no wish to be part of a "Jewish Iran" or to belong to "what is today called the religion of Israel."

    Kaniuk, 81, sought to equate his standing to that of his grandson, born last year, who is registered as "without religion" at the Population Registry.

    The infant was originally classified as a Christian American, like his mother. Kaniuk's daughter was born in Israel but is defined by the Interior Ministry as an American Christian because her own mother was born in the United States and is a Christian.

    After some discussion, Population Registry officials agreed to change the baby's status. When Kaniuk requested the same change be made to his own religious status, officials said he needed to obtain court approval for the amendment.

    Kaniuk, famously a veteran of the 1948 War of Independence, whose book "1948" was awarded the Sapir Prize earlier this year, said that the request reflected his ongoing disgust with the way that the Jewish religion has rejected the principles enshrined in Israel's Declaration of Independence.


    Anyone see this happening in the Arab world in the foreseeable future?

    قل للمليحة في الخمار الأسود
    مـاذا فـعــلت بــناسـك مـتـعـبد

    قـد كـان شـمّر لــلـصلاة ثـيابه
    حتى خـطرت له بباب المسجد

    ردي عليـه صـلاتـه وصيـامــه
    لا تـقــتـلــيه بـحـق ديــن محمد
  • Re: Israel court grants author's request to register 'without religion'
     Reply #1 - October 02, 2011, 03:25 PM

    This deserves to go viral!



    The World is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good is my religion.
                                   Thomas Paine

    Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored !- Aldous Huxley
  • Re: Israel court grants author's request to register 'without religion'
     Reply #2 - October 02, 2011, 03:27 PM

    In time all these things will happen...

    Little Fly, Thy summer's play
    My thoughtless hand has brushed away.

    I too dance and drink, and sing,
    Till some blind hand shall brush my wing.

    Therefore I am a happy fly,
    If I live or if I die.
  • Re: Israel court grants author's request to register 'without religion'
     Reply #3 - October 02, 2011, 03:45 PM

    In time all these things will happen...

    Exactly. The real question is: how far in the future?

    I know someday you'll have a beautiful life, I know you'll be a star
    In somebody else's sky, but why, why, why
    Can't it be, can't it be mine

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  • Re: Israel court grants author's request to register 'without religion'
     Reply #4 - October 02, 2011, 04:17 PM

    We'll have to wait untill the oil runs out... Wink

    Religion is organized superstition
  • Re: Israel court grants author's request to register 'without religion'
     Reply #5 - October 02, 2011, 08:22 PM

    Exactly. The real question is: how far in the future?


    I give it about hundred years or so!

    Little Fly, Thy summer's play
    My thoughtless hand has brushed away.

    I too dance and drink, and sing,
    Till some blind hand shall brush my wing.

    Therefore I am a happy fly,
    If I live or if I die.
  • Re: Israel court grants author's request to register 'without religion'
     Reply #6 - October 02, 2011, 08:22 PM

    We'll have to wait untill the oil runs out... Wink


    There is no oil in Pakistan!

    Little Fly, Thy summer's play
    My thoughtless hand has brushed away.

    I too dance and drink, and sing,
    Till some blind hand shall brush my wing.

    Therefore I am a happy fly,
    If I live or if I die.
  • Re: Israel court grants author's request to register 'without religion'
     Reply #7 - October 02, 2011, 09:10 PM

    Pakistan too will change when the world runs out of oil.. Wink

    Religion is organized superstition
  • Re: Israel court grants author's request to register 'without religion'
     Reply #8 - October 02, 2011, 09:14 PM

    Come on Hallakuffy problems existed in Islamic societies existed long before advent of oil!

    Little Fly, Thy summer's play
    My thoughtless hand has brushed away.

    I too dance and drink, and sing,
    Till some blind hand shall brush my wing.

    Therefore I am a happy fly,
    If I live or if I die.
  • Re: Israel court grants author's request to register 'without religion'
     Reply #9 - October 02, 2011, 09:16 PM

    I'm aware of that, but talking about change the oil might be an important thing...

    Religion is organized superstition
  • Re: Israel court grants author's request to register 'without religion'
     Reply #10 - October 02, 2011, 09:27 PM

    And i think it will change the world for sure.


    Little Fly, Thy summer's play
    My thoughtless hand has brushed away.

    I too dance and drink, and sing,
    Till some blind hand shall brush my wing.

    Therefore I am a happy fly,
    If I live or if I die.
  • Re: Israel court grants author's request to register 'without religion'
     Reply #11 - October 02, 2011, 09:31 PM

    Let's fly together... I was cooked for your sins  Cheesy

    Religion is organized superstition
  • Re: Israel court grants author's request to register 'without religion'
     Reply #12 - October 02, 2011, 09:31 PM

    Fuck Israel.
  • Re: Israel court grants author's request to register 'without religion'
     Reply #13 - October 02, 2011, 09:35 PM

    Let's fly together... I was cooked for your sins  Cheesy


    Dont get it?

    Little Fly, Thy summer's play
    My thoughtless hand has brushed away.

    I too dance and drink, and sing,
    Till some blind hand shall brush my wing.

    Therefore I am a happy fly,
    If I live or if I die.
  • Re: Israel court grants author's request to register 'without religion'
     Reply #14 - October 02, 2011, 09:43 PM

    Israel court grants author's request to register 'without religion'


    The shape of things to come in the Middle East, methinks. Afro  Yes, even in the Arab world. There are lots out there I know that for a fact. They need to reach a critical number to have the courage to go public though.
  • Re: Israel court grants author's request to register 'without religion'
     Reply #15 - October 02, 2011, 09:44 PM

    Plz go on... about 100 years, how so?
    I love all pasta-eaters btw...

    Religion is organized superstition
  • Re: Israel court grants author's request to register 'without religion'
     Reply #16 - October 02, 2011, 09:45 PM

    When we made that Ladeeny video we had lots of people on Facebook who said they would join us - many more who wanted to - sadly when it came to it only a handful had the courage. But they are out there.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1a3J3LQhUs
  • Re: Israel court grants author's request to register 'without religion'
     Reply #17 - October 02, 2011, 10:32 PM


    Israel is a totally differelt kettle of fish.  For a start, it is closer to a secular democracy than any other arab country save perhaps Lebanon.  Also, the Jews seem to have turned Judaism into a culture to some extent.  Hence you find a lot of atheist Jews.  So I imagine there are forces in Israel trying to sideline religion as much as possible.

    "Many people would sooner die than think; In fact, they do so." -- Bertrand Russell

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