Re: Atheists Challenged on Video
Reply #60 - March 21, 2010, 07:53 AM
Hi ahmed2010
It seems to me that the answers you keep requesting have been supplied a few times over...yet you refuse to acknowledge them. Why?
Without going back to count, I've seen at least 4 or 5 people take your "challenge" and answer to the best of their ability, using pretty verifiable scientific evidence in a couple. Whereas, your answers to some questions put forth to you were pretty much all predicated by an unproveable belief in a supreme being.
*1) where did God come from - He always existed - Well, you'd have to believe that he sat around doing nothing until he found our little speck of dust to play with. What did he do for the other 13 or so billion years? Make the Universe and stir it around for awhile, ok, I'll accept that (yah right), maybe. If God did make all this, even just talking about our little solar system, then why did he choose to just populate one little wet rock in it? If he really wanted to show off, he woulda made all the planets habitable and we'd have swarms of little earths for him to rule over. All that wasted space doesn't seem very "God-like" to me.
*2) how can you prove Muhammad existed - Even non-muslim historians confirm that Prophet did exist - There is no doubt Mohammed existed, yes that I believe, but I also believe he was a very sick man and he basically bought or forced his initial followers into coersion. Back then sacking, looting, raping, and untold bountiful slave (sex) girls were pretty much all they needed to sign on.
*3) how can you prove the Quran we have today is the same one Muhammad revealed - Non-muslim oriantalists confirm theQuran is unchanged - Umm, even the more ardent Islamic scholars will tell you that the Quran was put together many years after his death, remembered by others (we all know how faulty memory can be), and rewritten/compiled a couple of times again many years later. That hardly seems like the word of "God" to me. Also, how would these "Non-muslim oriantalists" confirm this? Do they have a magic time machine to go back and ask your Prophet in person if this is really what he said? If not then I could hardly believe any confirmation they assume to make.
*4) what if god was lying - You assume God can lie. You are wrong. God is Truth. He never ever lies. - You assume that he can't! You also assume one exists, and we all know how assuming something turns out. Anybody can lie, even a "God". If you know this NOT to be true, please point me to this God's website, or prove that you are on speaking terms with him well enough to prove he/she is completely factual 100% of the time....since time began. Oh yah, your God even advocates lying to get what you want from others who don't think like you, now that sounds like someone I can trust.
*5) what if there is a god but he doesn't care about you - There isn't - Whoa...back up a sec...there isn't? Well that kinda shoots down all your "proof" then eh. God does care about true believers. He doesnt care about atheists and hypocrites - I'm an atheist, how do you know God doesn't like me? I actually had a convo with him the other day and he said nothing about being mad that I didn't actually believe I was really talking with him..? I am not a liar so you must believe this as fact. I find it difficult to believe that a God would make creatures as fallible as us (in his image no less), and then PUNISH us for our failings! Doesn't make much sense does it, unless God is Fallible like his creations are. There again, all that religous crap shot to hell..or wherever it goes when shot to shit.
Sorry, no Welcome post yet folks, I just couldn't read any more without posting this.
Dave
"I will not give credit for my accomplishments to an imaginary supreme being, therefore, I also take full responsibility for all of the miserable failures in my life."
Topic: Atheists Challenged on Video