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  • Deism?
     OP - January 04, 2010, 01:52 AM
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    Deism is belief in a God or first cause based on reason, rather than on faith or revelation. Most deists believe that God does not interfere with the world or create miracles. Some deists believe that a Divine Creator initiated a universe in which evolution occurred, by designing the system and the natural laws, although many deists believe that God also created life itself, before allowing it to be subject to evolution. They find it to be undignified and unwieldy for a deity to make constant adjustments rather than letting evolution elegantly adapt organisms to changing environments.


    What is everyone's thoughts about this?
  • Re: Deism?
     Reply #1 - January 04, 2010, 01:52 AM
    No
    Quote from: thinkfree on September 28, 2010, 07:58 PM
    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: Deism?
     Reply #2 - January 04, 2010, 01:53 AM
    Cheesy explain?
  • Re: Deism?
     Reply #3 - January 04, 2010, 02:09 AM
    It's like boys with imaginary friends.

    -"Jimmy, how come I have never seen your friend Bob?"
    - "That's because he likes to hide when adults appear. He doesn't like adults."
    - "Can you not arrange me talking with him?"
    - "No. Bob won't talk with adults. He told me, he doesn't like talking to adults."
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  • Re: Deism?
     Reply #4 - January 04, 2010, 02:10 AM
    Deism, is not a real belief. It's meaningless. For me deism is just another progressive step towards atheism. The deist concept of god might as well not exist.
    Quote from: thinkfree on September 28, 2010, 07:58 PM
    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: Deism?
     Reply #5 - January 04, 2010, 02:15 AM
    What about Kawaii? He calls himself a deist and believes that he must worship god and thinks there will be reward and punishment in the afterlife.
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  • Re: Deism?
     Reply #6 - January 04, 2010, 02:16 AM
    doubt it,

    .
    Quote from: NineBerry on January 04, 2010, 02:09 AM
    It's like boys with imaginary friends.

    -"Jimmy, how come I have never seen your friend Bob?"
    - "That's because he likes to hide when adults appear. He doesn't like adults."
    - "Can you not arrange me talking with him?"
    - "No. Bob won't talk with adults. He told me, he doesn't like talking to adults."


     but on a separate note this reminded me of Kissing Hanks Ass take a look at this if you have not already seen it
    * kissing hanks ass.pdf (31.26 KB - downloaded 79 times.)
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  • Re: Deism?
     Reply #7 - January 04, 2010, 02:18 AM
    Quote from: NineBerry on January 04, 2010, 02:15 AM
    What about Kawaii? He calls himself a deist and believes that he must worship god and thinks there will be reward and punishment in the afterlife.

    Does he, I didnt know that?  In any case thats not a deist, thats a theist in my book
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  • Re: Deism?
     Reply #8 - January 04, 2010, 02:19 AM
    @Kaff, Then how do you describe first cause?
  • Re: Deism?
     Reply #9 - January 04, 2010, 02:20 AM
    Quote from: IsLame on January 04, 2010, 02:18 AM
     In any case thats not a deist, thats a theist in my book


    Yea, +1 to that
  • Re: Deism?
     Reply #10 - January 04, 2010, 02:23 AM
    Well, tell that to Kawaii.

    Here is what his youtube account says:

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    I subscribe to "Five Articles" of English Deists:

    1) Belief in the existence of a single supreme God.
    2) Humanity's duty to revere God.
    3) Linkage of worship with practical morality.
    4) God will forgive us if we repent and abandon our sins.
    5) Good works will be rewarded (and punishment for evil) both in life and after death.


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  • Re: Deism?
     Reply #11 - January 04, 2010, 02:23 AM
    Quote from: liberated on January 04, 2010, 02:19 AM
    @Kaff, Then how do you describe first cause?


    If there was one, I would describe it as "the first cause". Why not call shit what they are, eh?

    Quote from: thinkfree on September 28, 2010, 07:58 PM
    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: Deism?
     Reply #12 - January 04, 2010, 02:24 AM
    Wtf? Kaiwai is a deist?

    Anyways, that sounds awful like Christianity. Not deism.
    Quote from: thinkfree on September 28, 2010, 07:58 PM
    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: Deism?
     Reply #13 - January 04, 2010, 02:32 AM
    Quote from: NineBerry on January 04, 2010, 02:23 AM
    Well, tell that to Kawaii.

    Here is what his youtube account says:

    Quote
    I subscribe to "Five Articles" of English Deists:

    1) Belief in the existence of a single supreme God.
    2) Humanity's duty to revere God.
    3) Linkage of worship with practical morality.
    4) God will forgive us if we repent and abandon our sins.
    5) Good works will be rewarded (and punishment for evil) both in life and after death.



    Kaiwai, after all your merciless pounding of people with unsubstantiated beliefs, are you feckin serious?
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  • Re: Deism?
     Reply #14 - January 04, 2010, 02:38 AM
     Lmao Thread jacked This is sparta
  • Re: Deism?
     Reply #15 - January 04, 2010, 02:39 AM
    Quote from: Kafirist on January 04, 2010, 02:23 AM
    If there was one, I would describe it as "the first cause". Why not call shit what they are, eh?


    What do you think is that first cause?
  • Re: Deism?
     Reply #16 - January 04, 2010, 02:41 AM
    I'm not a cosmologist or a physicist. So far our only idea is there was a big bang, not necessarily the first. So real answer I guess is, WE DON'T KNOW. And you most definitely do not know either.

    Deism is just a silly and castrated descendent of Abrahamism. Just a sky god, only meaningless.
    Quote from: thinkfree on September 28, 2010, 07:58 PM
    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: Deism?
     Reply #17 - January 04, 2010, 03:15 AM
    Quote from: IsLame on January 04, 2010, 02:18 AM
    Does he, I didnt know that?  In any case thats not a deist, thats a theist in my book.


    I used to have the "Five Articles" of English Deists on my profile but I've since pulled them down - since they don't fit with what I believe and replaced it with someone I follow in real life Smiley

    Btw, the Abrahamic God is a personal God, deists don't believe in a person God who sits around waiting for his or her ego to get stroked.
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  • Re: Deism?
     Reply #18 - January 04, 2010, 03:23 AM
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    - since they don't fit with what I believe and replaced it with someone I follow in real life Smiley

    who's that?

    Quote from: kaiwai on January 04, 2010, 03:15 AM
    I used to have the "Five Articles" of English Deists on my profile but I've since pulled them down

    but  its still there,

    Quote
    1) Belief in the existence of a single supreme God.
    2) Humanity's duty to revere God.
    3) Linkage of worship with practical morality.
    4) God will forgive us if we repent and abandon our sins.
    5) Good works will be rewarded (and punishment for evil) both in life and after death.


    along with deism as your belief  Huh?

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  • Re: Deism?
     Reply #19 - January 04, 2010, 03:24 AM
    Quote
    2) Humanity's duty to revere God.
    3) Linkage of worship with practical morality.
    4) God will forgive us if we repent and abandon our sins.
    5) Good works will be rewarded (and punishment for evil) both in life and after death.


    Sounds rather personal. And saying "alhamdullilah" falls under revering and worshipping god.

    Even if you are no longer a deist (theist?) it's still rather ironic you take a shit on muslims and yet believed in some seriously stupid shit yourself.  Kiss
    Quote from: thinkfree on September 28, 2010, 07:58 PM
    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: Deism?
     Reply #20 - January 04, 2010, 03:29 AM
    Quote from: IsLame on January 04, 2010, 03:23 AM
    who's that?
    but  its still there,

    along with deism as your belief  Huh?


    According to this screenshot of my channel it isn't there:



    I changed it around 5 minutes before making this post:

    http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=8150.msg201607#msg201607
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  • Re: Deism?
     Reply #21 - January 04, 2010, 03:31 AM
    lol you just changed it like right now. I guess it was another 1-month religious experiment too, eh?  Cheesy
    Quote from: thinkfree on September 28, 2010, 07:58 PM
    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: Deism?
     Reply #22 - January 04, 2010, 03:35 AM
    I always thought deism is pointless. I really see don't see too many differences between Deism and an Abrahamic religion. I guess the only difference is that they haven't actually named their "god".
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  • Re: Deism?
     Reply #23 - January 04, 2010, 03:35 AM
    Quote from: Kafirist on January 04, 2010, 03:31 AM
    lol you just changed it like right now. I guess it was another 1-month religious experiment too, eh?  Cheesy


    Actually no, I had it there because I copied and pasted my old details over from my old account details that I saved. I had only just realised it and thus changed it. Sorry, I don't visit my profile regularly because I don't feel the need to constantly admire myself - hence it slipped under the radar.
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  • Re: Deism?
     Reply #24 - January 04, 2010, 03:36 AM
    Quote from: Kafirist on January 04, 2010, 02:10 AM
    Deism, is not a real belief. It's meaningless. For me deism is just another progressive step towards atheism. The deist concept of god might as well not exist.

    It seems like an ambiguous concept to me that allows for infinite possibilities, but I dont have a problem with that.  If this God has never provided any proof, then a description of what it is and what it wants has to remain ambiguous at best.

    The biggest problem for me with deism is that it does not allow for the possibility of atheism.  Atheism is certainly not a possibility that can be ruled out.  Since the dawn of man we have to admit that its one scientific conclusion that we appear to be progressively drawing closer & closer too, unlike the worlds other religions which we seem to be moving further & further away from .
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  • Re: Deism?
     Reply #25 - January 04, 2010, 03:43 AM
    Quote from: kaiwai on January 04, 2010, 03:15 AM
    I've since pulled them down - since they don't fit with what I believe and replaced it with someone I follow in real life Smiley

    Who do you follow now?  Also what do you believe, and why?
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  • Re: Deism?
     Reply #26 - January 04, 2010, 03:45 AM
    Quote from: IsLame on January 04, 2010, 03:43 AM
    Who do you follow now?  Also what do you believe, and why?


    I'd say I am pretty close to being an atheist right now, I'm sure deep down in my subconscious I don't believe in a god of any description; still umming and arring the details I guess; mulling it over Smiley

    I'd say by the time I finish my religious studies degree, I'll be a fully fledged atheist lol.
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  • Re: Deism?
     Reply #27 - January 04, 2010, 03:49 AM
    LOL then if you're so sure of it now, might as well admit you are an Atheist...right now.
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  • Re: Deism?
     Reply #28 - January 04, 2010, 03:51 AM
    Quote from: kaiwai on January 04, 2010, 03:45 AM
    I'd say I am pretty close to being an atheist right now, I'm sure deep down in my subconscious I don't believe in a god of any description; still umming and arring the details I guess; mulling it over Smiley

    I'd say by the time I finish my religious studies degree, I'll be a fully fledged atheist lol.


    So if you are an atheist or almost an atheist, you gonna get rid of "Deism=God+Reason"? Gonna put something different?
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  • Re: Deism?
     Reply #29 - January 04, 2010, 03:57 AM
    Quote from: IsLame on January 04, 2010, 03:36 AM
    It seems like an ambiguous concept to me that allows for infinite possibilities, but I dont have a problem with that.  If this God has never provided any proof, then a description of what it is and what it wants has to remain ambiguous at best.

    The biggest problem for me with deism is that it does not allow for the possibility of atheism.  Atheism is certainly not a possibility that can be ruled out.  Since the dawn of man we have to admit that its one scientific conclusion that we appear to be progressively drawing closer & closer too, unlike the worlds other religions which we seem to be moving further & further away from .


    I don't have a problem with deism on any personal level. I just feel it's a rather limp idea. I like to have some concrete beliefs that affect real life, either mine or the world in general. Beliefs that at no point make any meaningful contact with the real world seem rather pointless to me. You might as well admire the flying teapot...

    And frankly deist was the atheist of the 18th century. It was the comfortable thing for a disbelieving gentleman to call himself at time when atheism was still a pretty punishable offense. It's a really outdated belief system.
    Quote from: thinkfree on September 28, 2010, 07:58 PM
    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

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