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 Topic: The Fallacy of Immodesty

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  • The Fallacy of Immodesty
     OP - February 15, 2010, 03:22 AM

    One thing I’ve grown sick of is the talk of modesty. This comes of especially self righteous from the religious person. The woman wearing the niqab speaking of her precious modesty. The Preacher whining about the ‘uncovered meat’, and so forth.

    I’ve been relaxing with some Twain recently, and was rereading Letters From the Earth.
    As usual Twain puts it better than I ever could. A great read.
    Why this ‘immodesty’, that causes so much whoopy doo, is nonsense.

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    In the midst of one of these celebrations they heard God walking among the bushes, which was an afternoon custom of his, and they were smitten with fright. Why? Because they were naked. They had not known it before. They had not minded it before; neither had God.

    In that memorable moment immodesty was born; and some people have valued it ever since, though it would certainly puzzle them to explain why.

    Adam and Eve entered the world naked and unashamed -- naked and pure-minded; and no descendant of theirs has ever entered it otherwise. All have entered it naked, unashamed, and clean in mind. They have entered it modest. They had to acquire immodesty and the soiled mind; there was no other way to get it. A Christian mother's first duty is to soil her child's mind, and she does not neglect it. Her lad grows up to be a missionary, and goes to the innocent savage and to the civilized Japanese, and soils their minds. Whereupon they adopt immodesty, they conceal their bodies, they stop bathing naked together.

    The convention miscalled modesty has no standard, and cannot have one, because it is opposed to nature and reason, and is therefore an artificiality and subject to anybody's whim, anybody's diseased caprice. And so, in India the refined lady covers her face and breasts and leaves her legs naked from the hips down, while the refined European lady covers her legs and exposes her face and her breasts. In lands inhabited by the innocent savage the refined European lady soon gets used to full-grown native stark-nakedness, and ceases to be offended by it. A highly cultivated French count and countess -- unrelated to each other -- who were marooned in their nightclothes, by shipwreck, upon an uninhabited island in the eighteenth century, were soon naked. Also ashamed -- for a week. After that their nakedness did not trouble them, and they soon ceased to think about it.


    Mark Twain, Letters From the Earth, Letter III


     


    BTW: this is a great book, recommend to anyone.
    One great line:
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    Undeceive yourself: the world calls him the All-Just, the All-Righteous, the All-Good, the All-Merciful, the All-Forgiving, the All-Truthful, the All-Loving, the Source of All Morality. These sarcasms are uttered daily, all over the world. But not as conscious sarcasms. No, they are meant seriously: they are uttered without a smile.


    Check your local library

    The foundation of superstition is ignorance, the
    superstructure is faith and the dome is a vain hope. Superstition
    is the child of ignorance and the mother of misery.
    -Robert G. Ingersoll (1898)

     "Do time ninjas have this ability?" "Yeah. Only they stay silent and aren't douchebags."  -Ibl
  • Re: The Fallacy of Immodesty
     Reply #1 - February 15, 2010, 03:33 AM

    I will pretend I have not read this post, and will not add this book to my already enormous 'to read' list.

    "In every time and culture there are pressures to conform to the prevailing prejudices. But there are also, in every place and epoch, those who value the truth; who record the evidence faithfully. Future generations are in their debt." -Carl Sagan

  • Re: The Fallacy of Immodesty
     Reply #2 - February 15, 2010, 03:53 AM

    lol its always the "modest" ones who are the most sexually deprived and desperate. more veiling there is more suffering there is.

    Nothing can be more contrary to religion and the clergy than reason and common sense. - Voltaire
  • Re: The Fallacy of Immodesty
     Reply #3 - February 15, 2010, 07:58 AM

    modesty is the bourgeois of poor people
  • Re: The Fallacy of Immodesty
     Reply #4 - February 16, 2010, 05:35 PM

    lol its always the "modest" ones who are the most sexually deprived and desperate. more veiling there is more suffering there is.


    I know, I have direct experience of that lol.

    "The ideal tyranny is that which is ignorantly self-administered by its victims. The most perfect slaves are, therefore, those which blissfully and unawaredly enslave themselves."
  • Re: The Fallacy of Immodesty
     Reply #5 - February 16, 2010, 05:35 PM

    Not the veiling part but as far as personality goes I am. I have become a bit more outgoing since leaving Islam.

    "The ideal tyranny is that which is ignorantly self-administered by its victims. The most perfect slaves are, therefore, those which blissfully and unawaredly enslave themselves."
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