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 Topic: Why do they say Bismillah in Bohemian Rhapsody?

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  • Why do they say Bismillah in Bohemian Rhapsody?
     OP - September 28, 2009, 04:20 PM

    Random question.  Why do Queen say Bismillah in Bohemian Rhapsody?  What is the significance of this lyric?

    They start saying it at 3:37mins...

    Also, did anyone else get annoyed (like I did) when "Islamic" words were used in song lyrics?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=irp8CNj9qBI


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  • Re: Why do they say Bismillah in bohemian Rhapsody?
     Reply #1 - September 28, 2009, 04:24 PM

    I don't know what the significance of Bismillah is. Freddie Mercury came from a Zoroastrian background. On your other point, it doesn't annoy me. I would like to think that the use of any words in songs are artistically justified.

    I know this is off topic, but Red Hot Chili Peppers use Punjabi words in one of their songs! I was quite happy about that!

    Religion - The hot potato that looked delicious but ended up burning your mouth!

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  • Re: Why do they say Bismillah in bohemian Rhapsody?
     Reply #2 - September 28, 2009, 04:30 PM

    Random question.  Why do Queen say Bismillah in Bohemian Rhapsody?  What is the significance of this lyric?

    Didnt you know they were all Muslims?

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  • Re: Why do they say Bismillah in Bohemian Rhapsody?
     Reply #3 - September 28, 2009, 04:32 PM

    Didnt you know they were all Muslims?


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  • Re: Why do they say Bismillah in bohemian Rhapsody?
     Reply #4 - September 28, 2009, 04:32 PM

    On your other point, it doesn't annoy me. I would like to think that the use of any words in songs are artistically justified.

    It doesn't annoy me now of course, but I'm referring to when we were Muslims.

    I guess I used to get annoyed that these non-Muslims were using Islamic holy words in their (haram) songs.  finmad

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  • Re: Why do they say Bismillah in Bohemian Rhapsody?
     Reply #5 - September 28, 2009, 04:46 PM

    It doesn't annoy me now of course, but I'm referring to when we were Muslims.

    I guess I used to get annoyed that these non-Muslims were using Islamic holy words in their (haram) songs.  finmad


    Oh right, I get ya. In fact, I loved it and probably would say something like what Islame said above!

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  • Re: Why do they say Bismillah in Bohemian Rhapsody?
     Reply #6 - September 28, 2009, 04:53 PM

    I used to wonder about this too. I think at various times I thought that they were influenced by Islam (if not Muslim themselves) or that they were using it as a form of blasphemy.

    Now, I don't care as much why they used it, I just love the song, tis a classic for sure. And I love that it reminds me of the movie Wayne's World.  Afro

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  • Re: Why do they say Bismillah in Bohemian Rhapsody?
     Reply #7 - September 28, 2009, 05:00 PM

    It's because he's speaking as Beezlebub (the devil) and thus portraying him as a Muslim

    Just kidding-no idea

    Funny story though-because this had the word bismillah-the mad mullahs in Iran permitted it even though most/all other Western pop songs were banned!

    "I am ready to make my confession. I ask for no forgiveness father, for I have not sinned. I have only done what I needed to do to survive. I did not ask for the life that I was given, but it was given nonetheless-and with it, I did my best"
  • Re: Why do they say Bismillah in Bohemian Rhapsody?
     Reply #8 - September 28, 2009, 05:22 PM

    And then there is that song with Santana on guitar any a guy sings at the end of the song saying: "La ilaha ila Allah"... Can't remember the name of the song and can't google it right now cause am using my phone!

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  • Re: Why do they say Bismillah in Bohemian Rhapsody?
     Reply #9 - September 28, 2009, 05:36 PM

    I've encountered this in reviews of Metal tracks before - apparently Arabic sounds 'demonic'. And certainly Christianity portrays Islam as evil to some extent (especially early Christianity, though the mindset remains prevalent in Western society). Notice how the demons themselves sing 'Bismillah, we will not let you go', as though allah is the devil. And to someone from a persecuted Zoroastrian background (Freddie Mercury) it makes a certain sense he'd see Islam in a negative light.

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  • Re: Why do they say Bismillah in Bohemian Rhapsody?
     Reply #10 - September 28, 2009, 06:01 PM

    There is nothing wrong the Queen say Bismillah "In the name of God/YHWH" in Bohemian Rhapsody?


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  • Re: Why do they say Bismillah in Bohemian Rhapsody?
     Reply #11 - September 28, 2009, 07:24 PM

    I always thought "bismillah no, we will not let you go" was coming from his parents. Even though they were Parsis, they were influenced by there proximity to Islam, and bismillah would not be objectionable to them. "Beelzebub has a devil put aside for me" would also come from his parents telling him that, much like an Islamic belief that everyone has a jinn/devil (qareen) with them, or a devil who will torture him in hell.

    I think the song overall is about his dying of AIDS and a confrontation with his parents, telling them about it, and their condemning him.

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  • Re: Why do they say Bismillah in Bohemian Rhapsody?
     Reply #12 - September 28, 2009, 10:42 PM

    One of my all-time songs there. I was just warbling it last night while serving dinner.  "Bohemian Rhapsody" was written in 1975, several years before AIDS was identified.  I would guess that the different words heard during the "courtroom" part of the song represent different factions fighting for the boy or different paths he can take: religion, a joker, straight laced, good humoured sneak. 

    It is best to sing that particular portion in the WC.   Afro

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  • Re: Why do they say Bismillah in Bohemian Rhapsody?
     Reply #13 - September 29, 2009, 02:53 AM

    And then there is that song with Santana on guitar any a guy sings at the end of the song saying: "La ilaha ila Allah"... Can't remember the name of the song and can't google it right now cause am using my phone!


    OK here it is.... just listen to the end of the son and you will hear LA ILAHA ILA ALLAH...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5di5EhZshdQ

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  • Re: Why do they say Bismillah in Bohemian Rhapsody?
     Reply #14 - September 29, 2009, 03:22 AM

    I can't stand Bohemian Rhapsody. Probably because it reminds me of shit night clubs.

    Religion - The hot potato that looked delicious but ended up burning your mouth!

    Knock your head on the ground, don't be miserly in your prayers, listen to your Sidi Sheikh, Allahu Akbar! - Lounes Matoub
  • Re: Why do they say Bismillah in Bohemian Rhapsody?
     Reply #15 - September 29, 2009, 03:36 AM

    Yeah the guy singing that song, Everlast, converted to Islam in the 90s, but it was sort of a mixture of 5%er and sunnism from what I recall.  I remember he was interviewed once and spoke about being alienated from the Muslims because of his tattoos (and probably a whole buncha other shit).

    I'm not even sure if the guy calls himself Muslim today.  Which is chill!  But I mean his new thing is called la Coka Nostra.  Not very Islamic.  Lulz.

    His website. Lots of imagery related to American conspiracy theorists and esoterica and shit.  Definitely odd.  http://www.martyr-inc.com/

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  • Re: Why do they say Bismillah in Bohemian Rhapsody?
     Reply #16 - September 29, 2009, 03:37 AM

    Still a great song. Queen made some amazing music.

    RIP Faroukh 'Freddie Mercury' Bulsara :(

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  • Re: Why do they say Bismillah in Bohemian Rhapsody?
     Reply #17 - September 29, 2009, 04:19 AM

    Have you heard of a band called the Veronicas?

    Its two hot chick sisters. They have a new song out at the moment, and in it they repeat the saying 'Allah la la, Allah la la'

    THIS IS AN OUTRAGE TO ISLAM!!!

    check it

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fkko-3N_iOM&feature=fvw

  • Re: Why do they say Bismillah in Bohemian Rhapsody?
     Reply #18 - September 29, 2009, 04:27 AM

    According to the 'making of', the opera part with all the Galileos, Figaros, Fandangos, and bismallahs  was supposed to be a kind of comical court room scene, and the chorus voices are rival factions fighting over the narrator's soul. The actual words used have no real meaning, they are "random rhyming nonsense." (according to a quote Freddy gave Kenny Everett).

    Part of the fun of the song (according to Mercury) is that It's one of those songs which has such a fantasy feel about it. I think people should just listen to it, think about it, and then make up their own minds as to what it says to them?

    I'm sure he's having a nice laugh at all the 'music scholars' coming up with all kind of different theories and what not.


    The foundation of superstition is ignorance, the
    superstructure is faith and the dome is a vain hope. Superstition
    is the child of ignorance and the mother of misery.
    -Robert G. Ingersoll (1898)

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  • Re: Why do they say Bismillah in Bohemian Rhapsody?
     Reply #19 - September 29, 2009, 04:31 AM

    Have you heard of a band called the Veronicas?

    Its two hot chick sisters. They have a new song out at the moment, and in it they repeat the saying 'Allah la la, Allah la la'

    THIS IS AN OUTRAGE TO ISLAM!!!

    check it

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fkko-3N_iOM&feature=fvw





    Lolz.
    Ya, in New Jersey we say allah allah the time

    The foundation of superstition is ignorance, the
    superstructure is faith and the dome is a vain hope. Superstition
    is the child of ignorance and the mother of misery.
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  • Re: Why do they say Bismillah in Bohemian Rhapsody?
     Reply #20 - September 29, 2009, 06:50 AM

    Have you heard of a band called the Veronicas?

    Its two hot chick sisters. They have a new song out at the moment, and in it they repeat the saying 'Allah la la, Allah la la'

    THIS IS AN OUTRAGE TO ISLAM!!!

    check it

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fkko-3N_iOM&feature=fvw




    Aren't they saying: Ah - La La La - Ah - La La La - Ah ? I think it is not Allah they are saying!

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  • Re: Why do they say Bismillah in Bohemian Rhapsody?
     Reply #21 - September 29, 2009, 08:50 AM

    Yeah the guy singing that song, Everlast, converted to Islam in the 90s, but it was sort of a mixture of 5%er and sunnism from what I recall.  I remember he was interviewed once and spoke about being alienated from the Muslims because of his tattoos (and probably a whole buncha other shit).

    I'm not even sure if the guy calls himself Muslim today.  Which is chill!  But I mean his new thing is called la Coka Nostra.  Not very Islamic.  Lulz.

    His website. Lots of imagery related to American conspiracy theorists and esoterica and shit.  Definitely odd.  http://www.martyr-inc.com/



    Here's an interview with him

    Rapp Artist Embracing Islam
    Everlast: Taking Islam One Day at a Time
    An interview by Adisa Banjoko

    Everlast (Eric Schrody)Rapp music has seen more than its share influence from the religion of Islam. With groups such as Public Enemy rapping about their respect for the Nation of Islam, to people such as Q-Tip of A Tribe Called Quest embracing mainstream Islam, the religion seems to be a recurrent theme in the genre, both impacting lyrics and lives. One artist more recently touched by Islam is Eric Schrody, better known in music circles as Everlast.

    While Everlast began his musical career as a rapp artist, he has recently shown himself to have much greater depth and diversity. His current album, Whitey Ford Sings the Blues (currently ranked #49 on billboard's charts after peaking at #9) exhibits this in its reflective and somewhat philosophical tone, showing glimpses of the influence Islam has had on his life.

    What follows is an interview in which Everlast discusses his journey to Islam and the challenges he faces as a new Muslim.
    Tell me about the first time you learned about Islam?

    It was probably around the late 80's. I was hangin' out with Divine Styler (a popular Los Angeles rapp artist). He was basically at the end of his 5% period (referring to the pseudo-Islamic "Nation of Gods and Earths" sect). He was starting to come into Islam. He lived with the Bashir family. Abdullah Bashir was sort of his teacher; and mine it wound up later. As he was making the transition from 5% into Islam I would just be around and hear things.

    I'm trying to think of the first time I recognized it as Islam. I think it was when one of Divine's friends took Shahada (the Muslim profession of faith) and I was there. I heard him say, "I bear witness that there is no God but Allah, and Muhammad is the servant and messenger." And I remember me being like, "What is this? I'm white. Can I be here?" It was outta ignorance, you know? 'Cause here in America, Islam is considered a "Black thing." And that's when someone pointed out to me, "You have no idea how many white Muslims there are in the world." I was like, "Really," and somebody broke it down. I said, "That's crazy. I had no clue."
    Do you feel any extra pressure being a white Muslim in America?

    I don't think of it on the grand scale. To me, Islam is mine. Allah is the God of all the worlds, and all mankind and all the Al-Amin (worlds/universe). Islam is my personal relationship with God. So, nobody can put any more pressure on me than I can put on myself. But as far as the mosque where I pray, I have never felt more at home or more welcome. And it's not just mine. The few mosques that I've gone to around the country, I've never ever been made to feel uncomfortable. Like in New York, the mosque is big and there's so many people that nobody is lookin' to notice you. There were Chines, Korean, Spanish - everything, which was a good thing for me because at my mosque I'm the only white male, [although] there are some white females.

    I think at first, I thought about it more than anybody else the first couple times I went to Jumma (the Friday congregational prayer). The first time I went to Jumma, I was taken by a friend of mine in New York. It was in Brooklyn in Bed-Stuy (Bedford Stuyvestant). I was nervous about the neighborhood I was in, not the mosque. But I was just so at ease once I was there. I was like, "This is great." I didn't feel any different than anybody else in the mosque.
    How did your family take your turning to Islam? …because you were raised Catholic, right?

    Well, you know my mom is very open minded, very progressive. My mother lives with me. And I've been raised all my life with not a belief in God, but a knowledge that he exists. I was taught [that] if [I were to know] anything in the world, [I should] know there's a God. And my mom, even though she was Catholic she was the first person to point out hypocrisy in the church. My mom really hasn't attended church in a long time. But as far as me, my mom is just happy that I have God in my life.

    She sees me making prayers. And Divine is one of her favorite people in the world. She knows how much different we are than when she first knew us as kids. When me and Divine first hooked up, we were wild. We were out partyin', fightin', doin' whatever we had to do. We thought, "Yeah, that's what being a man is about. We're gonna go out here and be thuggish."

    [But] she has seen how much it's changed me and him; and how much peace it's brought me since I've started to really accomplish something with it. I actually had a long talk with my mother the other day and we were on the topic of religion. We were actually talking about life and death, and the future and when she might go (die, pass away). That won't be for a long time, inshallah (God willing). But I asked her to do me one favor. I said, "Mom, when you die there might be some angels who ask you a question, and I want you to answer it; and I'm not sure exactly how it goes, 'cause I ain't died yet. Remember that there's only one God, and he's never been a man." She said, "I know what you are trying to tell me." [And] I said, "Jesus wasn't God, Ma".

    Some of what I know has definitely shown up in my mother. She's no Muslim, but she knows there's only one God. And that makes me very happy. I know guys that have turned towards Islam and their families have turned them out (i.e. rejected them).

    My family tried to. I just can't understand that. But you know what? That's a trial. Although I've changed my name for like 8 years now, they still run up calling me by my birth name. Then it's, "Oh I forgot that you're Muslim." Then it's the pork jokes. It never stops.

    It's one of those things where people laugh at what they don't understand. Or they fear what they can't grasp. The thing is that nobody can pretend that they don't understand it. Because I've never come across anything more simple in my life.

    Like I remember that when I sat down and asked, "So, what does a Muslim believe," and I got the list run down to me. I was like, "You don't put up the wall between Christianity and Judaism." They were like, "Nah, it's all the same story."

    If when you finally get down to reading the Qur'an, the Bible and the Torah, which is pretty much just the Old Testament, you find that the Qu'ran is just an affirmation of what is correct and isn't correct within those books (the Bible and the Torah). And then you say to yourself, "How did that go down when these cats were all from different parts of the world?" But they are all confirming each other's story.

    I'm reading a book right now called Muhammad: The Life of the Prophet, by Karen Armstrong. It was written by a non-Muslim. So far, I'm only about a quarter of the way through; but it starts out telling you how they originally tried to make Muhammad look like the most evil man on the earth; that he established Islam under the sword. But then you learn that Muhammad only fought when he had to. Muhammad only fought to defend Islam. It's a very good book about the man. It just lets you know that he was a man. We ain't trying to tell you that he was anything else but a man. We're telling you as Muslims that he was the most perfect example of a man to walk the earth so far. And from what I've read he is the last one to come of his kind.

    When you get beyond being scared of Farrakhan and what he's sayin' - and here as a white person I'm speaking - when you get beyond the ignorance of believing that Islam has anything to do with just people that are blowing up things, that doesn't have anything to do with Islam. They might do it in the name of Islam. But it has nothing to do with Islam. You can't argue with it.

    When I explain Jesus to a Christian, he can't argue with me. And I don't mean argue, saying, "Jesus isn't God!" I mean, how much more sense does it make that he's a man? If I was Christian, which to me means to be Christ-like, and God asks me, "Hey how come you weren't more like Jesus?" I'll say, I wasn't more like Jesus because you made him half of a God [and] I'm only a man?" That doesn't make any sense.

    God doesn't want things hard on us. God wants things easy as possible. Allah is going to make it as easy as possible. If you ask and you are sincere, Allah will bring it to you. He might throw some rocks on your path, to make you trip and stumble. But it's gonna come to you.
    Talk to me about the first and second time you took your Shahada (profession of faith).

    Well the first time, it was right after I had heard a tape from Warith Deen Muhammad (son of Nation of Islam founder, Elijah Muhammad, who took most of the Nation of Islam into mainstream Islam). That just kinda broke down the whole Jesus thing. He explained that we (Muslims) do Christians a great favor by bringing Jesus down to the level of a man. Why would God create a man who is half a God and compare us to him? And it just sent off a bomb in my head. So I took Shahada. And then the initial high wore off.

    It was almost like a Christian who says that they accept Jesus. Then they say, "No matter what I do now I'm saved." 'Cause I was raised with that kinda mentality. Like, "OK, I accept the truth so let me just go out here and sin my butt off and I'm saved."

    I didn't really claim to be Muslim though at that time. I picked and chose what I wanted to believe. Allah gave me leeway for a time. But eventually it was time to fish or cut the line. I was coming to a point where I was unsatisfied emotionally, and spiritually. I had money in the bank and a $100,000 car, women left and right - everything that you think you want. And then just sitting there being like, "Why am I unhappy?" Finally that voice that talks to you - not the whisper (of Satan) - the voice said, "Well, basically you're unhappy because you're living foul and you're not trying to do anything about it." My stubbornness at that time wouldn't allow me to talk about it at that time. You get in that state of mind where you're like, "I can figure this out all by myself." I finally got humble enough to talk to Divine and Abdullah about it. They asked me, "How do you feel? What do you think it is?" So finally I'm sittin' there taking Shahada again.

    From that point on I've made a commitment where I'm going to try my best. I'm gonna do my best to make my prayers, let's start there. Let's not beat ourselves up because we went out last night and had a drink. Let's make our prayers and pray for the strength to stop doing one thing at a time. That's what I'm still dealing with.

    You know, once you get over the big things, it becomes very subtle. It can be as subtle as looking a man, and not even speaking bad about him, but back-biting him in your mind. The easy ones to beat - well I shouldn't say easy - the big ones are easy to notice. It's the subtle psychological stuff that helps you get into who really you are. You gotta be able to face the truth of who you are. If you are not able to face that truth of who you are, you're gonna crumble, man.

    People question me and go, "You're Muslim?" And I'm like, "Yeah I'm Muslim, but I'm also a professional sinner." I'm tryin' to get over it, tryin' to retire. I won't front and say I'm better than you. I just believe that I've been shown the truth and hopefully that will save me."

    "By the One in Whose Hand my soul is, were you not to commit sins, Allah would replace you with a people who would commit sins and then seek forgiveness from Allah; and Allah would forgive them." [Saheeh Muslim]

    "Wherever you are, death will find you, Even in the looming tower."
    - Quran 4:78
  • Re: Why do they say Bismillah in Bohemian Rhapsody?
     Reply #22 - September 29, 2009, 02:45 PM

    I think the song overall is about his dying of AIDS and a confrontation with his parents, telling them about it, and their condemning him.


    Barthes and death of the author. If you believe that then fine, but he wrote it in 1975 long before AIDS was identified as a disease. Also... did you miss the bit where he sings "Mama, just killed a man. Put a gun against his head, pulled my trigger now he's dead."? Tongue

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  • Re: Why do they say Bismillah in Bohemian Rhapsody?
     Reply #23 - September 29, 2009, 05:08 PM

    He could've came in someone's ass and gave them AIDS. Metaphor. I didn't know it came out before then. Tongue

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  • Re: Why do they say Bismillah in Bohemian Rhapsody?
     Reply #24 - October 03, 2009, 12:51 PM


    Freddie Mercury was from an Indian Parsi family from Bombay who practised the ancient pre-Islamic Persian religion of Zoroastrianism. My guess is that Freddie knew the word coming from the cultural milieu of India and threw it in because it sounded cool.


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