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OP - September 12, 2009, 07:16 AM

I remember going on jamaat back in the early nineties when I was in my late teens. It was only for three days, but it was extremely uncomfortable and dull. I went to a masjid in Huddersfield which wasn't venturing too far out for me. We had to sit and listen to lectures from a book called "Tablighi Nisaab", which was known to be a book of very weak apocraphyl hadith and stories of sahabah and tabi-een. We had to sit kneeling for three hours! I got pins and needles almost thirty minutes into the lecture. I expressed my discomfort and told the Amir, he just said that it was disrespectful and that I should remain sat in the kneeling position. I was utterly pissed off and really couldn't take it. On top of that in our spare time, we talked about the most abstract of subjects such as the length of Gabriel's wings! I said to one of the guy's that I didn't see the point of having discussions like this and it would be better discussing how best to help the Palestinians. He said that we shouldn't talk about "worldly" things and should concentrate on the glories of Allah. I decided at that point that Tablighi Jamaat wasn't my cup of tea because it really wasn't concerned with what was going on around the world, for them it was enough that people came to the masjid and prayed. Alot of the guy's were humble and gentle, but they held very bizarre ideas. I asked one of the "brothers" to take me home. I never looked back at them again. It got worse I got interested in HT!
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Reply #1 - September 12, 2009, 07:45 AM

Three hours?! How boring

I hate going to the Ahmaddiya Jalsa Salana cos it gets SO BORING and so hot, and most of the time I sleep...haha. There are so many people there that they don't say anything...but there are people who volunteer to hold up signs that say no talking and shit and go around shushing people if they talk during the speeches.
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Reply #2 - September 12, 2009, 08:20 AM

Quote from: spiral dive on September 12, 2009, 07:45 AM
Three hours?! How boring

I hate going to the Ahmaddiya Jalsa Salana cos it gets SO BORING and so hot, and most of the time I sleep...haha. There are so many people there that they don't say anything...but there are people who volunteer to hold up signs that say no talking and shit and go around shushing people if they talk during the speeches.

One of my "close relatives" faked being Ahmadi's when they came to this country from Pakistan. As far as I was concerened back then, they had apostated by doing that. All that lying and pretending. They used to go every year to London for some annual get together. Now that they have got their "stay" they have reverted back to "sunnism" what hypocrites. It's black and white for me. There is no halfway house. Take it seriously or leave it.
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Reply #3 - September 12, 2009, 08:24 AM

Wow! I can't believe that. That must have gone down badly with the Ahmaddiya Jamaat. I can imagine them going nuts about it, but they are fairly pacifist sooo maybe not.

I agree, take it seriously or stop pretending to be something you're not. That's why I'm trying so hard to tell my mum about not being a Muslim I hate seeming like a hypocrite.
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Reply #4 - September 12, 2009, 08:24 AM

Quote from: Omaar Khayaam on September 12, 2009, 07:16 AM
We had to sit and listen to lectures from a book called "Tablighi Nisaab", which was known to be a book of very weak apocraphyl hadith and stories of sahabah and tabi-een. We had to sit kneeling for three hours! I got pins and needles almost thirty minutes into the lecture. I expressed my discomfort and told the Amir, he just said that it was disrespectful and that I should remain sat in the kneeling position.

Its called the Islamic lobotomy procedure.

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Reply #5 - September 12, 2009, 08:33 AM

Quote from: spiral dive on September 12, 2009, 08:24 AM
Wow! I can't believe that. That must have gone down badly with the Ahmaddiya Jamaat. I can imagine them going nuts about it, but they are fairly pacifist sooo maybe not.

I agree, take it seriously or stop pretending to be something you're not. That's why I'm trying so hard to tell my mum about not being a Muslim I hate seeming like a hypocrite.

I'm not sure they actually found out, but it used to piss me off because they were lying to themselves and the people from the Ahmadi Jamaat. You know one foot in the "dunya" and the other in the "akhira".
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Reply #6 - September 12, 2009, 08:43 AM

Quote from: Omaar Khayaam on September 12, 2009, 08:33 AM
I'm not sure they actually found out, but it used to piss me off because they were lying to themselves and the people from the Ahmadi Jamaat. You know one foot in the "dunya" and the other in the "akhira".

I think they are very Big Brother-esque when it's to that, so when someone stops showing up for regular tablighs they sort of question it. Everyone in th Ahmadi jamaat is pretty tight knit....which I can't stand because it's making it very difficult for me to apostatize.

They probably just let them go. They did when my uncle converted to Christianity.
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Reply #7 - September 12, 2009, 09:05 AM

I hate it how former Prime Minister of Pakistan, Zulfikar Ali Bhutto, essentially declared the Ahmediyya Muslim Community as being 'non-Muslims' in Pakistan back in 1974 just to appease his allies from the politically and intellectually incompetent nincompoops of Jamaat-i-Islami.

And Bhutto called himself a 'secular Islamic Socialist' The law stands to this day with no sign of being ever made null and void.

Those steps pissed off one of the greatest scientists and Pakistan's lone Nobel Prize winner in Dr Abdus Salam (who was Ahmedi) who left for UK in protest, and essentially sowed the seeds for future Islamisation and Wahabification of Pakistani society that came in the 1980s during the Zia ul Haq years.

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Reply #8 - September 12, 2009, 09:16 AM

Quote from: spiral dive on September 12, 2009, 08:43 AM
I think they are very Big Brother-esque when it's to that, so when someone stops showing up for regular tablighs they sort of question it. Everyone in th Ahmadi jamaat is pretty tight knit....which I can't stand because it's making it very difficult for me to apostatize.

They probably just let them go. They did when my uncle converted to Christianity.

I assume they may discard you from their group and avoid you if need be. I have yet to hear of ANY violence being shown by the Ahmediyya community towards anyone. All other sects, Shias Sunnis etc, have shown violence and hate towards those who are different or who left their commuities.

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Reply #9 - September 12, 2009, 09:20 AM

Quote from: atheist.pk on September 12, 2009, 09:05 AM
I hate it how former Prime Minister of Pakistan, Zulfikar Ali Bhutto, essentially declared the Ahmediyya Muslim Community as being 'non-Muslims' in Pakistan back in 1974 just to appease his allies from the politically and intellectually incompetent nincompoops of Jamaat-i-Islami.

And Bhutto called himself a 'secular Islamic Socialist' The law stands to this day with no sign of being ever made null and void.

Hey you can blame him for doing that in the 60s when the likes of Obama in todays day & age in the USA have to call themselves Christian just to get themselves through the doors of the presidential nominations.

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Reply #10 - September 12, 2009, 11:31 AM

Quote from: atheist.pk on September 12, 2009, 09:16 AM
I assume they may discard you from their group and avoid you if need be. I have yet to hear of ANY violence being shown by the Ahmediyya community towards anyone. All other sects, Shias Sunnis etc, have shown violence and hate towards those who are different or who left their commuities.

Oh yes, they aren't violent at all from what I've experienced and heard from other members of the community 'sinning'. However, they do discard you from the group and avoid you as you mentioned.

I'm still unsure of how my family will be treated if I were to leave.
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Reply #11 - September 12, 2009, 02:48 PM

Quote from: IsLame on September 12, 2009, 09:20 AM
Hey you can blame him for doing that in the 60s when the likes of Obama in todays day & age in the USA have to call themselves Christian just to get themselves through the doors of the presidential nominations.

I see what you mean, but what I dont get is that apart from rare sporadic moments of violence against Ahmediyya community in the 1950s and 1960s (typical in Muslim countries where minorities are targeted due to rumours and fiery rhetoric by mullahs) in Pakistan, there was NEVER a nationwide drive to declare them non-Muslims. It wasnt until these religious parties (supported by Gen Ayub Khan back in the day) gained a few seats that suddenly they were calling the shots and Zulfikar Ali Bhutto passed the law that started a chain reaction of religious insanity in Pakistan.

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Reply #12 - September 12, 2009, 03:29 PM

Quote from: atheist.pk on September 12, 2009, 02:48 PM
It wasnt until these religious parties (supported by Gen Ayub Khan back in the day) gained a few seats that suddenly they were calling the shots and Zulfikar Ali Bhutto passed the law that started a chain reaction of religious insanity in Pakistan.

It was not ZBs fault, it was the climate he lived in. If he had not passed that law, some shit would be flying around by now regardless. Religious insanity is part and parcel of living in a muslim country.

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