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 Topic: Ice on fire: The next fossil fuel

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  • Ice on fire: The next fossil fuel
     OP - June 29, 2009, 04:47 AM

    Ice on fire: The next fossil fuel

    DEEP in the Arctic Circle, in the Messoyakha gas field of western Siberia, lies a mystery. Back in 1970, Russian engineers began pumping natural gas from beneath the permafrost and piping it east across the tundra to the Norilsk metal smelter, the biggest industrial enterprise in the Arctic.

    By the late 70s, they were on the brink of winding down the operation. According to their surveys, they had sapped nearly all the methane from the deposit. But despite their estimates, the gas just kept on coming. The field continues to power Norilsk today.

    Where is this methane coming from? The Soviet geologists initially thought it was leaking from another deposit hidden beneath the first. But their experiments revealed the opposite - the mystery methane is seeping into the well from the icy permafrost above.

    If unintentionally, what they had achieved was the first, and so far only, successful exploitation of methane clathrate. Made of molecules of methane trapped within ice crystals, this stuff looks like dirty ice and has the consistency of sorbet. Touch it with a lit match, though, and it bursts into flames.

    Clathrates are rapidly gaining favour as an answer to the energy crisis. Burning methane emits only half as much carbon dioxide as burning coal, and many countries are seeing clathrates as a quick and easy way of reducing carbon emissions. Others question whether that is wise, and are worried that extracting clathrates at all could have unforeseen and perilous side effects.

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    Other engineers believe claims that clathrate extraction poses a risk are little more than scare stories with little supporting evidence. Wallmann claims that the Chinese and Indians in particular are "afraid that the west wants to prevent them from rapid extraction of methane clathrate".

    There might in fact be a safer way of tapping clathrates which, if successful, could quash the criticisms. Since other gases can also form clathrates, it should be possible to pump one of these gases into the crystals to displace the methane. Carbon dioxide would be an ideal candidate, says Ersland - the resulting crystal is even more stable than methane clathrate, meaning another greenhouse gas would be stored out of harm's way.

    Ersland has already demonstrated his technique in the lab. In joint research with the energy company ConocoPhillips based in Houston, Texas, he replaced methane with CO2 in artificial clathrate crystals. The exchange was rapid and did not damage the clathrate structure, making it the safest way to extract the methane yet found (Chemical Engineering Journal, DOI: 10.1016/j.cej.2008.12.028). Substituting methane with CO2 "will increase the stability of the reservoir sediments as well as maintaining the clathrates in their solid state", Ersland says.

    The acid test will be an experiment planned for January next year. ConocoPhillips intends to pour liquefied CO2 down a borehole into the Alaskan north slope's clathrate deposit. If all goes well, the CO2 will fill the clathrate crystals and the displaced methane will shoot up the wellhead to the surface. The method could be both a safe way of capturing the methane and an environmental argument for pursuing the goal - the clathrate structures would be acting as a carbon sink.

    It is an intriguing possibility. Sooner rather than later, burning fossil fuels like coal and natural gas will only be acceptable if the CO2 emissions are captured and stored. Right now, there is a rush to develop a practical system for capturing and burying billions of tonnes of CO2 underground per year.

    So far, the focus has been on old oil wells, salt deposits and even old coal mines. The big problem is that the huge infrastructure required to dispose of the CO2 may quickly make burning fossil fuels uneconomic compared with alternatives like solar, wind or nuclear power. Disposing of CO2 down the same pipe used to bring up more fuel could be the answer.

    Full article here.
    I knew there was a shitload of this stuff stashed away beneath the sea floor but I didn't know permafrost was full of it too. Looks like it could be the next big thing as some countires are already going ahead with extraction schemes. Of course if they get it wrong it could fuck the world up, but why worry about minor details like that?  parrot

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  • Re: Ice on fire: The next fossil fuel
     Reply #1 - June 29, 2009, 05:13 AM

    Yeah, I think the deposit of methane in permafrost had something to do with the repeated cycles of Ice Age. I don't remember it very clearly.

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  • Re: Ice on fire: The next fossil fuel
     Reply #2 - June 29, 2009, 05:22 AM

    Me neither. It was such a long time ago and my memory of those days is a tad hazy.

    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: Ice on fire: The next fossil fuel
     Reply #3 - June 29, 2009, 05:27 AM

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    Me neither. It was such a long time ago and my memory of those days is a tad hazy.

    I didn't know you were that ancient.  whistling2

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  • Re: Ice on fire: The next fossil fuel
     Reply #4 - June 29, 2009, 05:47 AM

    That's one of the things that pisses me off. You just can't get a decent mammoth steak any more. Bloody elephants are half-arsed rubbish.

    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: Ice on fire: The next fossil fuel
     Reply #5 - June 29, 2009, 05:59 AM

    That's one of the things that pisses me off. You just can't get a decent mammoth steak any more. Bloody elephants are half-arsed rubbish.


    my favorite was the Dino-Kebab, yummy yummy! Or the T-rex Grilled ribs, well a tiny part of a rib that is!! Cheesy

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