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  • Re: 2 BNP MEPs - What does this mean for the future?
     Reply #30 - June 11, 2009, 01:46 AM

    Here it is  Cheesy
    It only happened in the last few days, by the way.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQoNy4m7DX4

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  • Re: 2 BNP MEPs - What does this mean for the future?
     Reply #31 - June 11, 2009, 01:59 AM

    WoooooooooO! THE BNP IS TAKING OVER WITH THEIR 3 COUNCIL SEATS AND THEIR 2 EU "PARLIAMENT" SEATS. LETS RUN!

    Fuckwitz.


    You know what Johnmuslim, I feel sorry for divs like you. When I was sat in front of my laptop watching the election results come through, part of me actually wanted the BNP to win one or two seats just to give the ridiculously politically apathetic masses of Britain a fucking wake up call. Then there are people like you who still think they don't have anything to worry about because "it's only 2 seats!"

    Obviously, I didn't want the BNP to win any more seats than they already have done; I thought 2 might have been enough, but clearly you have just demonstrated that there are still ordinary people who are oh so very very very ignorant that they would need a BNP Prime Minister before they decide that perhaps it is worth getting up off their asses and saying something. Or maybe I am still giving you way too much credit than your worth.

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  • Re: 2 BNP MEPs - What does this mean for the future?
     Reply #32 - June 11, 2009, 02:17 AM

    UNDERCOVER WITH THE BNP! A film from the "Don't Panic!" magazine, featured on the United Against Fascism website.

    One supporter of the BNP has their own take on the acronym: "Bloody Never Pakis"

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4nBiCymtchA&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Euaf%2Eorg%2Euk%2Fnews%2Easp%3Fchoice%3D90605&feature=player_embedded

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  • Re: 2 BNP MEPs - What does this mean for the future?
     Reply #33 - June 11, 2009, 09:27 AM

    You know what Johnmuslim, I feel sorry for divs like you. When I was sat in front of my laptop watching the election results come through, part of me actually wanted the BNP to win one or two seats just to give the ridiculously politically apathetic masses of Britain a fucking wake up call. Then there are people like you who still think they don't have anything to worry about because "it's only 2 seats!"

    Obviously, I didn't want the BNP to win any more seats than they already have done; I thought 2 might have been enough, but clearly you have just demonstrated that there are still ordinary people who are oh so very very very ignorant that they would need a BNP Prime Minister before they decide that perhaps it is worth getting up off their asses and saying something. Or maybe I am still giving you way too much credit than your worth.


    Div? What is this the 90's? I haven't heard that word for 15 years!

    anyhow, 2 seats=bnp PM? you are a real left wing fascist if thats how you feel. its still about 2% as we worked out, 2% votin for the bnp? Hae you read the manifesto? The only reason I dont vote for them is cause I think they are liars and they havent reformed, otherwise the manifesto makes perfect sense in most cases, why? Cause they are a populist party, they put in policies that they think will get them the best votes and that the average man supports

    have you noticed how in the days of forced repatriation (pre 2003) they had no votes and every year since they have been doing better and putting in less and less radical policies, what does that say to you? They have turned from a white nationalist party to an ethno nationalist party (like Japan...) and they have taken things from "white" to "british", in 2005 they said that under their system any ethnic minority who stayed wouldnt be given a passport as they would be a "permanent guest", now they call ethnic minorities "civically british, with the same rights, duties and obligations as all other citizens".

    Reform, its why they get votes, I read the manifesto every year and highlight what they have taken out, the 2005 manifesto is so very differant from the 2009 manifesto its almost like a different party

    also, UAF is the last organisation to listen to, not only is it an array of scummy socialist, communist and left wing fascist groups in an umbrella organisation but they are also often linked to violent and radical groups. Plus, dont go by what a supporter said, last week I heard a labour supporter and campaigner call my friend an "ignorant shit stain nigger", do I say labour are a racist party?

    I hear what you're saying. You're spinning my head around.
  • Re: 2 BNP MEPs - What does this mean for the future?
     Reply #34 - June 11, 2009, 09:34 AM

    By the way the reason that I support a lot of their policies is the same as a lot of people

    50% of britons in a survey supported the bnp's core policies but not the bnp!

    http://www.justchat.co.uk/boards/viewtopic.php?t=9114&sid=5e93aaa40fd0509fc323843dd8223210

    Its a famous yougov poll by the way from 2006, when they were even more radical!

    I hear what you're saying. You're spinning my head around.
  • Re: 2 BNP MEPs - What does this mean for the future?
     Reply #35 - June 11, 2009, 09:46 AM

    By the way the reason that I support a lot of their policies is the same as a lot of people

    50% of britons in a survey supported the bnp's core policies but not the bnp!

    http://www.justchat.co.uk/boards/viewtopic.php?t=9114&sid=5e93aaa40fd0509fc323843dd8223210

    Its a famous yougov poll by the way from 2006, when they were even more radical!

    The policies listed here are mainly immigration issues, that many Tories support anyway.  The thrust of the BNP issue, is the volountary repatriation of those whose ancestors were non British, even if they hold a UK passport.  This proves that do not feel they are welcome in this society, and shows their true colours.

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  • Re: 2 BNP MEPs - What does this mean for the future?
     Reply #36 - June 11, 2009, 10:01 AM

    The policies listed here are mainly immigration issues, that many Tories support anyway.  The thrust of the BNP issue, is the volountary repatriation of those whose ancestors were non British, even if they hold a UK passport.  This proves that do not feel they are welcome in this society, and shows their true colours.


    Not necessarily

    there are quite a few bnp members with mixed race children, such as Simona Clarke, the famous balley dancer who has a half chinese daughter, do you think she would feel that her daughter is not welcome in this society?

    Have you ever met a bnp supporter who wasnt a skinhead? My neighbours are, and they are the nicest people you could find, they dont support the bnp because of voluntary repatriation, they support them because they think the bnp are genuine and honest because they come round with leaflets and friendly door-knockers. if other parties did this they would get their support back from UKIP, another reason my neighbours like the bnp is because they dont see corruption within the party etc.

    dont generalise, as i said earlier, some supporters may be disgusting but that doesnt taint all the supporters

    I hear what you're saying. You're spinning my head around.
  • Re: 2 BNP MEPs - What does this mean for the future?
     Reply #37 - June 11, 2009, 01:37 PM

    Not necessarily

    there are quite a few bnp members with mixed race children, such as Simona Clarke, the famous balley dancer who has a half chinese daughter, do you think she would feel that her daughter is not welcome in this society?

    Have you ever met a bnp supporter who wasnt a skinhead? My neighbours are, and they are the nicest people you could find, they dont support the bnp because of voluntary repatriation, they support them because they think the bnp are genuine and honest because they come round with leaflets and friendly door-knockers. if other parties did this they would get their support back from UKIP, another reason my neighbours like the bnp is because they dont see corruption within the party etc.

    dont generalise, as i said earlier, some supporters may be disgusting but that doesnt taint all the supporters

    Its easy for you to say that we should not generalise, I assume you are not part of the minority the BNP would prefer to expel from the UK.  Can you imagine how that might feel to someone who is a second/ third generation immigrant who has always felt British and contributed postively to this society throughout their lives.  Dont you think this policy sends out a negative message to them that they are not wanted here, just because of who their grandfather happened to be?

    You also mention there are some mixed race members in the party.  No 100% blacks, or asians?  Why not?  Did you know they are not allowed to be in the party? 

    Please do not say I am generalising, I know exactly what they are about, and you should too.

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  • Re: 2 BNP MEPs - What does this mean for the future?
     Reply #38 - June 11, 2009, 02:05 PM

    Its easy for you to say that we should not generalise, I assume you are not part of the minority the BNP would prefer to expel from the UK.  Can you imagine how that might feel to someone who is a second/ third generation immigrant who has always felt British and contributed postively to this society throughout their lives.  Dont you think this policy sends out a negative message to them that they are not wanted here, just because of who their grandfather happened to be?

    You also mention there are some mixed race members in the party.  No 100% blacks, or asians?  Why not?  Did you know they are not allowed to be in the party? 

    Please do not say I am generalising, I know exactly what they are about, and you should too.


    I did not say there are mixed race people in the bnp (although lawrence rustem is half turkish) but i was responding to you saying that bnp members are sending the message that non whites are not welcome here, what i was saying in response is that there are bnp members with mixed race children and spouses etc, do you think they want their spouses/children to feel not welcome in britain? Their own spouses and children?

    Anyway, i understand why you would take this personally, but in my opinion you have mistaken this policy for something else. I was telling you not to generalise because there are many decent members who are decent people, i assume you believe (given your name) that islam as a religion isnt a great thing, does that mean every muslim is a bad person? same thing, most of the members they have now joined recently, ie when they "reformed" ie are less likely to be "bad" or "racist" people.

    thats what im saying

    the policy is a financial incentive to anyone who wants to leave, if this was forcible i would be at the front condemning it, but i dont see anything wrong with this. they want to try and address uk overpopulation and also the issue some immigrants might have of loyalty and identity and this is a decent way. the japanese government recently adopted the same exact measure, are they a fascist, racist body now? will you boycott japan and the japanese? I dont think this policy is ideal, but I dont think it's evil or unwelcoming.

    My qualms with the bnp is that I think they are still the same they were but hiding behind this facadical reform image, ie they are lying about their policies and once in power they would change face. i might be wrong, i cant prove that im right because its an opinion. also, this helps prove my point above of many bnp members being nice but decieved people, because they like the post reform "nice" policies.

    thats why you shouldnt generalise.

    by the way,  i know every single policy of theirs ,i have been studying their manifestos so closely over the last 5 years

    also, one thing you are forgetting is that people sometimes choose the bnp out of last resort, labour/tory/lib dem look exactly the same, greens are some global green loonies, ukip are a bunch of champaign tory posh twats who have been done for corruption like the rest of them. who else is there?

    again, i am not a bnp supporter, but i can empathise.

    I hear what you're saying. You're spinning my head around.
  • Re: 2 BNP MEPs - What does this mean for the future?
     Reply #39 - June 11, 2009, 11:28 PM

    White supremacist gunman James W. von Brunn had links to BNP www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article6481475.ece

    The white supremacist gunman who shot dead a guard at the Holocaust museum in Washington D.C. had attended meetings of the American Friends of the British National Party, it emerged today.

    James W. von Brunn, an avowed anti-Semite, burst into the museum in the American capital and fired a rifle, killing Stephen Tyrone Johns, a security guard.

    Tim Blodgett, a former White House aide who worked as an informant within white supremacist groups, said today that Mr von Brunn and his friend John de Nugent had attended meetings in Arlington County, Virginia, of the American Friends of the BNP. The organisation was set up to raise funds for the BNP but has since been disbanded.

    Mr de Nugent wrote on his blog: ?I have twice met Nick Griffin, the dynamic chairman of the British National Party.?

    He added that he had ?the gravest misgivings? about Mr Griffin allowing Jewish people to join the BNP, but said: ?My hat is off to this fighting white man, Nick Griffin, for the incredible victories for White Britain which his hard work, rhino-thick skin against Jewsmedia criticism, and inspired leadership have made possible. It is not easy to be a leader; it is lonely, as they say, at the top. Hail the white leader, Nick Griffin!?

    Mr Griffin and Richard Barnbrook, a member of the London Assembly, have visited America on fundraising tours to address the American Friends of the BNP, although it is not known whether Mr von Brunn heard them speak or met them.

    At one of these meetings, held in Texas in April 2000, Mr Griffin is pictured alongside David Duke, a former leader of the Ku Klux Klan. At the meeting Mr Griffin said: ?The BNP isn't about selling out its ideas, which are your ideas too, but we are determined to sell them. And that means basically to use saleable words ? freedom, security, identity, democracy.

    ?Perhaps one day, by being rather more subtle, [where] we?ve got ourselves in a position where we control the British broadcasting media, then perhaps one day the British people might change their mind and say ?yes, every last one must go?. Perhaps they will one day. But if you hold that out as your sole aim to start with, you?re going to get absolutely nowhere. So instead of talking about racial purity, we talk about identity.?





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  • Re: 2 BNP MEPs - What does this mean for the future?
     Reply #40 - June 11, 2009, 11:53 PM

    I already told you the problem i have with them is that i think they are lying with their new moderate policies

    all your article did is show you why i think they are lying

    it doesnt disprove my point that there are decent supporters/even members.

    I hear what you're saying. You're spinning my head around.
  • Re: 2 BNP MEPs - What does this mean for the future?
     Reply #41 - June 12, 2009, 06:37 PM

    Plus, dont go by what a supporter said, last week I heard a labour supporter and campaigner call my friend an "ignorant shit stain nigger", do I say labour are a racist party?


    Your saying the BNP are not racist?

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  • Re: 2 BNP MEPs - What does this mean for the future?
     Reply #42 - June 12, 2009, 06:41 PM

    another reason my neighbours like the bnp is because they dont see corruption within the party etc.


    Well I suppose they are not corrupt insofar as they are honest about advocating financially encouraged repatriation although many a time they do like to conceal that. But they are corrupt insofar as having such a policy.

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  • Re: 2 BNP MEPs - What does this mean for the future?
     Reply #43 - June 12, 2009, 06:45 PM

    the policy is a financial incentive to anyone who wants to leave, if this was forcible i would be at the front condemning it, but i dont see anything wrong with this.


    You know what, I'm not even going to take you seriously anymore. Everybody can see through you Smiley

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  • Re: 2 BNP MEPs - What does this mean for the future?
     Reply #44 - June 13, 2009, 03:25 PM

    BNP supporters have for a long time been faking themselves as muslims on internet forums, as well as swarming into and infecting youtube with their bullshit and lies.

    If a person comes onto a web forum, says that they are a muslim and either support the BNP or try to incite hatred towards other groups, this most likely a total loser of a racist BNP supporter using more lies and trickery to promote themselves.

    Any pro BNP video on youtube needs to be immediately removed, as well as pro BNP comments anywhere on the internet. This is how they managed to get their two seats by spreading their lies while completely covering up the BNP's true intention.

    I follow around and chat to BNP supporters on youtube, it is so unbelievable easy to expose the racism that they are trying to hide by pushing the right buttons and asking questions which provoke them into saying racially hateful things.

    But none of this proof or evidence is needed - We already have all the proof we need when Nick Griffin doesnt allow any non white people to join his party, when he says that coloured people are genetically deficient to white people, and when he frequently attends and gives speeches in front of nazi and facist groups all over the world.

    Every word that comes out of his or any other BNP supporters mouths that are addressed to the general public are nothing but lies which are purposefully being used to exploit the UK publics concerns regarding the obvious problems the country has such as the Economy, Immigration and Islamification. Yet, they make no mention of their agenda to actually 'reverse' immigration to the UK, meaning policies in which they want to send people of colour back to their home countries, regardless of already being good british citizens, and also their agenda of wanting to remove the current racial equity laws and removing all protection that people currently have against racism from living in the UK.

    They will likely pretend that they, as BNP supporters, are the victims of racism and hatred because of their far right views .... Well, kind of like DUUUURRRRRRRR?Huh? No one likes a racist, you are going to be hated even by the majority of your own race if you are a racist person and also a supporter of the BNP. They will cry wolf like pathetic school children by trying to turn the hatred that they themselves have towards people of other races towards themselves, and try and gain some kind of pity and sympathy among their fellow small minded and ignorant followers ...

    'We hate people of other races and want them out of our country, but oh no, we are the victims of racism and hatred for having these views'.

    Pathetic people that should not be allowed to run a government party or even be allowed to vote.

    We keep hearing about how Jack Straw or the French government have mentioned the veil and our doing so puts us in the same boat as them. How so? I want a ban on the burka, neqab and child veiling.

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  • Re: 2 BNP MEPs - What does this mean for the future?
     Reply #45 - June 14, 2009, 05:08 PM

    They essentially represent a tribe: white, working-class people who feel otherwise ignored. They will always get a bit of support from that constituency, but in comparison with the support some neo-fascist parties get in other parts of Europe, they don't have much of a base.

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  • Re: 2 BNP MEPs - What does this mean for the future?
     Reply #46 - June 14, 2009, 10:35 PM

    Agree, what is that now they have 2 two MEPs, they will get a budget for employing staff and contracting services.

    With this power comes the responsibility of sticking to EU employment legislation. Particularly the one relating to equality and discrimination given that whites of  European descent can only join the party.

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  • Re: 2 BNP MEPs - What does this mean for the future?
     Reply #47 - June 15, 2009, 01:08 AM

    Any pro BNP video on youtube needs to be immediately removed, as well as pro BNP comments anywhere on the internet. This is how they managed to get their two seats by spreading their lies while completely covering up the BNP's true intention.


    No, this is violating their freedom of speech. If we start censoring propaganda simply because it is perceived to be "wrong" then it seems we are on a slippery slope to totalitarianism.

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  • Re: 2 BNP MEPs - What does this mean for the future?
     Reply #48 - June 15, 2009, 11:03 AM

    No, this is violating their freedom of speech. If we start censoring propaganda simply because it is perceived to be "wrong" then it seems we are on a slippery slope to totalitarianism.


    I tend to agree. That is one reason why I am against Holocaust denial laws. Let them spew their poison, as long as they are not positively inciting violence, and refute it.

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  • Re: 2 BNP MEPs - What does this mean for the future?
     Reply #49 - June 15, 2009, 07:29 PM

    I tend to agree. That is one reason why I am against Holocaust denial laws. Let them spew their poison, as long as they are not positively inciting violence, and refute it.


    I have the same view about Holocaust denial laws.

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  • Re: 2 BNP MEPs - What does this mean for the future?
     Reply #50 - June 16, 2009, 01:46 AM

    The BNP try to appear moderate, just like Jean Marie Le Penn and others have done, as a means of gaining wider support. Don't be fooled.

    By the way, the BNP's policy isn't ethnic cleansing, i am not a fan, but their policy is voluntary repatriation/deportation of failed asylum seekers/criminal immigrants.


    "the introduction of a system of voluntary resettlement whereby those immigrants and their descendants who are legally here are afforded the opportunity to return to their lands of ethnic origin assisted by a generous financial incentives both for individuals and for the countries in question." - BNP General Election Manifesto 2005

    Infact they used to be quite open about the forced repatriation of all non-whites. Have no doubt that that is still their intention.

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  • Re: 2 BNP MEPs - What does this mean for the future?
     Reply #51 - June 23, 2009, 07:35 PM

    BNP ordered to accept ethnic minority members or face prosecution   

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/5611876/BNP-ordered-to-accept-ethnic-minority-members-or-face-prosecution.html

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  • Re: 2 BNP MEPs - What does this mean for the future?
     Reply #52 - June 23, 2009, 07:53 PM

    No comment from the spokesman lol!

    This will indeed be interesting to see how it turns out.

    According to Nick Griffin, 'the BNP is NOT a racist party', but everyone except for their narrow minded supporters can see right through that lie.

    We keep hearing about how Jack Straw or the French government have mentioned the veil and our doing so puts us in the same boat as them. How so? I want a ban on the burka, neqab and child veiling.

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  • Re: 2 BNP MEPs - What does this mean for the future?
     Reply #53 - June 23, 2009, 07:58 PM

    I saw Nick Griffin interviewed on the news...

    Griffin - "We accept membership from the English, Welsh, Scots and Irish, because they are the indigenous people of Britain."

    Interviewer - "so can a black Welshman join?"

    Griffin - "There's no such thing as a black Welshman."

     Roll Eyes

    And btw, I want the BNP to ban Irish people from joining too.  We don't want to be included in his stinky party.   thnkyu

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  • Re: 2 BNP MEPs - What does this mean for the future?
     Reply #54 - June 23, 2009, 08:14 PM

    I wish he would read up on a bit of history.

    I'd like to ask him how he classifies the indigenous population.  Is he aware that they are all migrants, and if you go far enough the celts are decendents of Asians?

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  • Re: 2 BNP MEPs - What does this mean for the future?
     Reply #55 - June 23, 2009, 09:13 PM


    Awesome. This is kinda like nailing Al Capone for tax evasion.  Cheesy

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  • Re: 2 BNP MEPs - What does this mean for the future?
     Reply #56 - June 23, 2009, 09:34 PM

    You folks shouldnt celebrate without reading the response

    parantly this is nothin more than a threat of legal action, the ehrc has no real power and is threatening to take em to court. frankly i think they will fail, cause the bnp would always bring up the black and asian police association etc, they also have some decent lawyers and legal advisers.

    nothing to celebrate here.
  • Re: 2 BNP MEPs - What does this mean for the future?
     Reply #57 - June 23, 2009, 10:50 PM

    Anti-racism campaigners welcomed the move but questioned why the authorities had waited until now to act.

    "I am astonished that successive governments have allowed the BNP to get away with the exclusion of non-white people," said the human rights activist Peter Tatchell. "Many people who voted for them as a protest may not have done so if they had known."

    Other potential breaches of the law raised in the letter include concerns that the BNP's elected representatives may not intend to offer or provide services on an equal basis to all their constituents irrespective of race.

    (http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2009/jun/23/bnp-discrimination-human-rights-commission)

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  • Re: 2 BNP MEPs - What does this mean for the future?
     Reply #58 - June 24, 2009, 01:28 AM

    ....cause the bnp would always bring up the black and asian police association etc,


    White people and anyone of any other race are free to join these as well to show their support if they choose.

    The MOBO awards also give out awards to white Artists who create 'Music of Black Origin', for example Eminem, Justin Timberlake and Jamie Cullum have all been awarded MOBO awards.

    The BNP have used the MOBO's as an excuse, but what else do you want to call music that roots from Africa and black people?

    We keep hearing about how Jack Straw or the French government have mentioned the veil and our doing so puts us in the same boat as them. How so? I want a ban on the burka, neqab and child veiling.

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  • Re: 2 BNP MEPs - What does this mean for the future?
     Reply #59 - June 26, 2009, 01:08 AM

    I wish he would read up on a bit of history.

    I'd like to ask him how he classifies the indigenous population.  Is he aware that they are all migrants, and if you go far enough the celts are decendents of Asians?


    It's a bit like the Israel/Palestine debate. Many Muslims say that Israel as a country should not have a place on the map and they bring up a picture of how it looked in 1946. I really don't get that. What about a map from thousands of years b.c.?

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