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  • How the internet is taking away America's religion
     OP - April 07, 2014, 02:26 PM

    http://www.technologyreview.com/view/526111/how-the-internet-is-taking-away-americas-religion/

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    Using the Internet can destroy your faith. That’s the conclusion of a study showing that the dramatic drop in religious affiliation in the U.S. since 1990 is closely mirrored by the increase in Internet use.

    Back in 1990, about 8 percent of the U.S. population had no religious preference. By 2010, this percentage had more than doubled to 18 percent. That’s a difference of about 25 million people, all of whom have somehow lost their religion.

    That raises an obvious question: how come? Why are Americans losing their faith?

    Today, we get a possible answer thanks to the work of Allen Downey, a computer scientist at the Olin College of Engineering in Massachusetts, who has analyzed the data in detail. He says that the demise is the result of several factors but the most controversial of these is the rise of the Internet. He concludes that the increase in Internet use in the last two decades has caused a significant drop in religious affiliation.

    Downey’s data comes from the General Social Survey, a widely respected sociological survey carried out by the University of Chicago, that has regularly measure people’s attitudes and demographics since 1972.

    In that time, the General Social Survey has asked people questions such as: “what is your religious preference?” and “in what religion were you raised?” It also collects data on each respondent’s age, level of education, socioeconomic group, and so on. And in the Internet era, it has asked how long each person spends online. The total data set that Downey used consists of responses from almost 9,000 people.

    Downey’s approach is to determine how the drop in religious affiliation correlates with other elements of the survey such as religious upbringing, socioeconomic status, education, and so on.

    He finds that the biggest influence on religious affiliation is religious upbringing—people who are brought up in a religion are more likely to be affiliated to that religion later.

    However, the number of people with a religious upbringing has dropped since 1990. It’s easy to imagine how this inevitably leads to a fall in the number who are religious later in life. In fact, Downey’s analysis shows that this is an important factor. However, it cannot account for all of the fall or anywhere near it. In fact, that data indicates that it only explains about 25 percent of the drop.

    He goes on to show that college-level education also correlates with the drop. Once it again, it’s easy to imagine how contact with a wider group of people at college might contribute to a loss of religion.

    Since the 1980s, the fraction of people receiving college level education has increased from 17.4 percent to 27.2 percent in the 2000s. So it’s not surprising that this is reflected in the drop in numbers claiming religious affiliation today. But although the correlation is statistically significant, it can only account for about 5 percent of the drop, so some other factor must also be involved.

    That’s where the Internet comes in.  In the 1980s, Internet use was essentially zero, but in 2010, 53 percent of the population spent two hours per week online and 25 percent surfed for more than 7 hours.

    This increase closely matches the decrease in religious affiliation. In fact, Downey calculates that it can account for about 25 percent of the drop.

    That’s a fascinating result. It implies that since 1990, the increase in Internet use has had as powerful an influence on religious affiliation as the drop in religious upbringing.

    At this point, it’s worth spending a little time talking about the nature of these conclusions. What Downey has found is correlations and any statistician will tell you that correlations do not imply causation. If A is correlated with B, there can be several possible explanations. A might cause B, B might cause A, or some other factor might cause both A and B.

    But that does not mean that it is impossible to draw conclusions from correlations, only that they must be properly guarded. “Correlation does provide evidence in favor of causation, especially when we can eliminate alternative explanations or have reason to believe that they are less likely,” says Downey.

    For example, it’s easy to imagine that a religious upbringing causes religious affiliation later in life. However, it’s impossible for the correlation to work the other way round. Religious affiliation later in life cannot cause a religious upbringing (although it may color a person’s view of their upbringing).

    It’s also straightforward to imagine how spending time on the Internet can lead to religious disaffiliation. “For people living in homogeneous communities, the Internet provides opportunities to find information about people of other religions (and none), and to interact with them personally,” says Downey. “Conversely, it is harder (but not impossible) to imagine plausible reasons why disaffiliation might cause increased Internet use.”

    There is another possibility, of course: that a third unidentified factor causes both increased Internet use and religious disaffiliation. But Downey discounts this possibility. “We have controlled for most of the obvious candidates, including income, education, socioeconomic status, and rural/urban environments,” he says.

    If this third factor exists, it must have specific characteristics. It would have to be something new that was increasing in prevalence during the 1990s and 2000s, just like the Internet. “It is hard to imagine what that factor might be,” says Downey.

    That leaves him in little doubt that his conclusion is reasonable. “Internet use decreases the chance of religious affiliation,” he says.

    But there is something else going on here too. Downey has found three factors—the drop in religious upbringing, the increase in college-level education and the increase in Internet use—that together explain about 50 percent of the drop in religious affiliation.

    But what of the other 50 percent? In the data, the only factor that correlates with this is date of birth—people born later are less likely to have a religious affiliation. But as Downey points out, year of birth cannot be a causal factor. “So about half of the observed change remains unexplained,” he says.

    So that leaves us with a mystery. The drop in religious upbringing and the increase in Internet use seem to be causing people to lose their faith. But something else about modern life that is not captured in this data is having an even bigger impact.

  • How the internet is taking away America's religion
     Reply #1 - April 07, 2014, 02:31 PM


     Thanks for that link zeca ..  great graph in that link



     Cheesy Cheesy  I love it .......... gone are those days..

    Well AmriKa needs another HUSH for 8 years or as a presidento., and BAN the internet completely ,  Then they can go back to burning witches .,

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • How the internet is taking away America's religion
     Reply #2 - April 07, 2014, 02:43 PM

    Some interesting comments below the article as well:

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    Yes, the internet has and does provide a portion of that which contributes to the decline of people who self identify as religious.  I grew up as a Mormon and we are steeped in orthodoxy and disciplined adherence, traditions via our fathers and a brilliant structural of cultural mores.  The structure is in place, the message it moves is still a message based on falsehoods regarding the natural world, and damaging attitudes regarding the human condition.  The religion of my childhood has many aspects buried in its early history that are extremely important to the understanding of the truth in our foundings, the development of abandoned doctrines (polygamy, origins of the black skin) and the many unflattering characteristics that are not spoken of in polite Mormon company.  To find these hugely important but mostly obscured articles, journal accounts, publications would have taken me, a virtually untalented researcher years to assemble, if I could find even a small portion at all.  I can remember pushing back from my desk one afternoon after digesting the full extent of Joseph Smith's polygamy and the dishonest charlatan way he practiced it and let it sink in.  The church of my childhood is false.  That's huge for us steeped in the faith.

    Let's also not forget the positioning of evangelical Christianity as a political player does more to damage its future as any outside criticism does.  Jesus said render unto Caesar, our founding fathers seemed to agree that when church and state are mixed, both are corrupted.  When our youth see an organization that is bigoted towards races historically, women and gays today, organizations that promote non science, war and the turning away the beggar through social deconstruction of welfare, and probably most importantly worship at the feet of prosperity and materialism.  Nothing contributes to the slow and steady expansion of Atheism then reading the bible, or observing the evangelical in the halls of government.

    I found Dawkins on YouTube, but it was reading "Climbing Mount Improbable" that convinced me that evolution was the only explanation of the data.  Every Mormon I know that has left my church has an extremely similar story.  It's the place where we also find community with each other....the internet.

  • How the internet is taking away America's religion
     Reply #3 - April 07, 2014, 03:37 PM

    God is so omniscient that he didn't see this coming...

    Me: Hey Allah!
    Allah: KAFIR!
  • How the internet is taking away America's religion
     Reply #4 - April 07, 2014, 03:39 PM

    no, no, he saw it coming, the internet is the one eyed monster that is taking us away from religion  Wink

    "I Knew who I was this morning, but I've changed a few times since then." Alice in wonderland

    "This is the only heaven we have how dare you make it a hell" Dr Marlene Winell
  • How the internet is taking away America's religion
     Reply #5 - April 07, 2014, 03:53 PM

    Oh yeah, the dajjal! Totally forgot that dude.

    Me: Hey Allah!
    Allah: KAFIR!
  • How the internet is taking away America's religion
     Reply #6 - April 07, 2014, 04:51 PM

    I apologise to the theists and deists of this forum. But the religions I know about are illogical and has no solid basis on grounds of truthfulness. The Internet has just opened their eyes. The report also says that there is connection with increase in college education if I am not wrong. Physical books can be censored that may help in opening our eyes like TV shows. I have yet to come across a book in my country that points out the negative aspects of Islam. Even the Bible is hard to find. But the Internet is quite free from that. We have proxies and the likes. And yes science education plays a huge role too.
  • How the internet is taking away America's religion
     Reply #7 - April 07, 2014, 05:19 PM

    I wonder if there is a connection between the age of information and the rise of fundamentalism. In the developed world at least, fundamentalism seems to be a breed of religiosity that is desperately insecure.

    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • How the internet is taking away America's religion
     Reply #8 - April 07, 2014, 05:29 PM

    I've said it before, I think the internet is the most subversive thing to happen to Islam since, well who knows.

    Its definitely given Exmuslims a chance to by-pass apostasy / blasphemy taboos like never before in 1400 years.

    We're probably in the middle of a massive change that because we're in the middle of it, we don't fully understand the implications yet.

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • How the internet is taking away America's religion
     Reply #9 - April 07, 2014, 05:36 PM

    We're probably in the middle of a massive change that because we're in the middle of it, we don't fully understand the implications yet

    I like this  Afro

    "I Knew who I was this morning, but I've changed a few times since then." Alice in wonderland

    "This is the only heaven we have how dare you make it a hell" Dr Marlene Winell
  • How the internet is taking away America's religion
     Reply #10 - April 07, 2014, 06:59 PM

    The internet is just the modern day printing press. When the printing press became wide spread people were able to create copies of not only the bible but many other books. Translations into the vulgar languages became accessible. No longer where people subject to the authority figures of the church, they could learn a language or read a translation for themselves. The printing press enabled the Reformation to become wide spread within just a few years. Martin Luther used the printing press to spread his message to other nations; France, England, etc.
  • How the internet is taking away America's religion
     Reply #11 - April 07, 2014, 07:09 PM

    I wonder if there is a connection between the age of information and the rise of fundamentalism. In the developed world at least, fundamentalism seems to be a breed of religiosity that is desperately insecure.

    By this I mean that, as more information is freely available on the fly to anyone with a half-decent phone, the demagogues and clerical elite have to work extra hard to drown out doubt and destroy dissenting opinion. Ignorance and fear are their primary resource and they have political stake in keeping it that way.

    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • How the internet is taking away America's religion
     Reply #12 - April 07, 2014, 07:19 PM

    I wonder if there is a connection between the age of information and the rise of fundamentalism. In the developed world at least, fundamentalism seems to be a breed of religiosity that is desperately insecure.

    I've always thought that about fundies. They have to have an infallible, literal guide or they feel lost and terrified.

    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
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