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  • Listen Muslim Men with Ear Studs! Piercings & women colleagues are Haram!!
     OP - April 18, 2009, 10:58 AM

    All those Muslim men with ear piercings, take them off immediately, coz they're haram!

    Here's the Fatwa, from Islamonline. grin12

     
    Name of Questioner   Sa`eed   - Saudi Arabia
       Title   Is Body Piercing Permissible in Islam?
       Question   Dear Sheikh, As-Salaam `Alaykum wa Rahmatullah wa Barakatuh. My 20-year-old son wants to know what is the Islamic ruling on body piercing, like ears, eyebrows, lips, etc., for both males and females?
       Date   13/Jul/2002
       Topic   Customs & Traditions
       
     
    Answer   

    Wa`alykum As-Salaam Warahmatullahi Wabarakatuh.

    In the Name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.

    All praise and thanks are due to Allah, and peace and blessings be upon His Messenger.

    Dear brother in Islam, thanks a lot for asking this question, which shows how far you are interested in raising your children upon the teachings of Islam. May Allah help you lead a righteous marital life!

    First of all, it should be made clear that it is permissible for women only to pierce their ears as a form of enhancing their beauty. The proof of this permission is based on the Hadith of Prophet Muhammad, peace and blessings be upon him, when he prayed on the day of `Eid and came with Bilal, his Companion, he ordered the women to pay Zakah, and some of them took their earrings off and threw it (donated it) to the Prophet. (Reported in Bukhari)

    As to the piercing of the nose, it isn't allowed for both sexes because it is a type of deformation to Allah?s creation.

    Focusing more on the question in point, Sheikh Ahmad Kutty, a senior lecturer and an Islamic scholar at the Islamic Institute of Toronto, Ontario, Canada, states:

    "According to the teachings of Islam, our body - including all of our physical faculties - is a trust from Allah and we are required to protect and preserve it according to the best of our ability. Consequently, we are not allowed to alter or tamper with our physical faculties unnecessarily; we are only permitted to interfere with them in order to correct a natural deformity or repair or remedy an ailment. Any other form of interference or tampering with our body is akin to altering Allah's creation which has been condemned in the Quran.

    We read in the Quran that Satan, the accursed one, has pledged to Allah that he will be tirelessly working to lead humans unto ways of perdition and self-destruction:"And I will surely lead them astray, and arouse desires in them, and command them and they will cut the cattle's ears, and I will surely command them and they will change Allah's creation."Whoever chooses the Devil for a friend instead of Allah is assuredly a loser, and his loss is manifest." (An-Nisa: 119)

    While reflecting on the above verse, we must also read the following statements of Allah in the Quran: "There is no altering Allah?s creation." (Ar-Rum: 30); "And do not cast yourselves into destruction by your own hands."(Al-Baqarah: 195).

    In light of the above, body piercing, tattooing, branding, etc. all fall in the category of unnecessary interference, alteration and mutilation of Allah's creation. Therefore, no Muslim, who is conscious of his religion, should ever contemplate such activities.

    Neither are such procedures harmless, physical refinements as they are often imagined to be. Rather the truth is that these procedures have often been associated with numerous health hazards. For sensitive parts of the body such as tongues, lips, eyelids, etc. are more prone to be easily infected, and thus become infected with diseases, some of which may even be fatal. There is nothing at all surprising about all of these, for every unnecessary tampering with Allah?s creation is bound to produce adverse repercussions.

    In Islam, all such acts that entail possible health hazards are considered totally forbidden even if they contain some imagined or presumed benefits; such presumed benefits are considered as being outweighed by the hazards. This fact alone warrants declaring body piercing as forbidden.

    The only exception some scholars and jurists have made in this context is the case of ear piercing specifically for females. This is so because of the specific need of women to wear jewelry. Men, however, according to Islam, have no such need. In fact, Islam forbids men from copying styles that are distinctively feminine. The Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, said,"Allah has cursed men who copy women as well as women who copy men." It should be remembered here both men and women have different roles in Islam.

    It is also worth mentioning in this respect that ear piercing is somewhat different; for there are fewer hazards in ear piercing as compared to piercing of tongues, lips and eye-lids, etc.

    Still another consideration strengthening the case for declaring body piercing as forbidden for males: Islam forbids us from copying other people in their specific customs and life-style without any tangible benefits. Such copying has been condemned by the Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him.

    In conclusion: Body piercing for males is not at all permissible in Islam. Ear piercing has been permitted for females, according to some scholars. Such an exception, however, does not apply to males.?

    Excerpted, with slight modifications, from: http://www.islam.ca

    Why do women have a "need" to wear jewellery, but men have no such "need" "according to Islam"? Huh?

    Isn't wearing jewellery a choice? bunny

    Here's another hilarious fatwa on the same issue, where a man asks whether his female colleague is allowed to pierce her ears, according to Islam.

    The scholar starts by rebuking the man for working with women, as women cause fitna, & asks that they find other places to work!

    Then he says that different schools have different interpretations, but he also insists that the man & women not speak to each other in the workplace, & change workplaces, to avoid "fitna"! rofl

    Imagine leaving your job, because your female colleague asks you about ear piercings! idiot2







    World renowned historian Will Durant"...the Islamic conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in history. It is a discouraging tale, for its evident moral is that civilization is a precious good, whose delicate complex order and freedom can at any moment be overthrown..."
  • Re: Listen Muslim Men thinking of getting Ear Studs! They are Haram!!
     Reply #1 - April 18, 2009, 11:14 AM

    Forget the jewelry. If tampering with Allah's creation is haram why the obsession with circumcision?

    Quote
    Focusing more on the question in point, Sheikh Ahmad Kutty, a senior lecturer and an Islamic scholar at the Islamic Institute of Toronto, Ontario, Canada, states:

    'According to the teachings of Islam, our body - including all of our physical faculties - is a trust from Allah and we are required to protect and preserve it according to the best of our ability. Consequently, we are not allowed to alter or tamper with our physical faculties unnecessarily; we are only permitted to interfere with them in order to correct a natural deformity or repair or remedy an ailment. Any other form of interference or tampering with our body is akin to altering Allah's creation which has been condemned in the Qur'an.


    So by that logic the foreskin must be a natural deformity or an ailment. That would mean that Allah's creation wasn't perfect.

    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: Listen Muslim Men thinking of getting Ear Studs! They are Haram!!
     Reply #2 - April 18, 2009, 11:18 AM

    Of course. Jewellery is against Islam.

    When Mohammed was around there was a lot of poverty. He was against things that showed off having more wealth, like longer trousers.

    "...every imperfection in man is a bond with heaven..." - Karl Marx
  • Re: Listen Muslim Men thinking of getting Ear Studs! They are Haram!!
     Reply #3 - April 18, 2009, 11:22 AM

    So by that logic the foreskin must be a natural deformity or an ailment. That would mean that Allah's creation wasn't perfect.


    He didn't mention foreskin. The reason circumcision is in Islam is because of Abraham. It's symbolic.

    "...every imperfection in man is a bond with heaven..." - Karl Marx
  • Re: Listen Muslim Men thinking of getting Ear Studs! They are Haram!!
     Reply #4 - April 18, 2009, 11:26 AM

    Of course. Jewellery is against Islam.

    When Mohammed was around there was a lot of poverty. He was against things that showed off having more wealth, like longer trousers.


    Well, then it makes sense that men & women work together, rather than gender apartheid, doesn't it?  tickedoff

    Creating separate schools & offices is economically wasteful, Muhammad's first wife was his boss & sugar mommy Khadija!

    Why are women forbidden to work with men & accused of causing fitna?

    World renowned historian Will Durant"...the Islamic conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in history. It is a discouraging tale, for its evident moral is that civilization is a precious good, whose delicate complex order and freedom can at any moment be overthrown..."
  • Re: Listen Muslim Men thinking of getting Ear Studs! They are Haram!!
     Reply #5 - April 18, 2009, 11:29 AM

    Well, then it makes sense that men & women work together, rather than gender apartheid, doesn't it?  tickedoff

    Creating separate schools & offices is economically wasteful, Muhammad's first wife was his boss & sugar mommy Khadija!

    Why are women forbidden to work with men & accused of causing fitna?


    I doubt Mohammed could have anticipated that. Preserving tribal loyalties was more important.

    "...every imperfection in man is a bond with heaven..." - Karl Marx
  • Re: Listen Muslim Men thinking of getting Ear Studs! They are Haram!!
     Reply #6 - April 18, 2009, 11:29 AM

    He didn't mention foreskin. The reason circumcision is in Islam is because of Abraham. It's symbolic.

    What does it symbolize?

    Do not look directly at the operational end of the device.
  • Re: Listen Muslim Men thinking of getting Ear Studs! They are Haram!!
     Reply #7 - April 18, 2009, 11:31 AM

    What does it symbolize?


    Abraham's preparedness to sacrifice his son. Therefore, in Islam, his belief in god.

    "...every imperfection in man is a bond with heaven..." - Karl Marx
  • Re: Listen Muslim Men thinking of getting Ear Studs! They are Haram!!
     Reply #8 - April 18, 2009, 11:37 AM

    So by that logic the foreskin must be a natural deformity or an ailment. That would mean that Allah's creation wasn't perfect.

    He didn't mention foreskin. The reason circumcision is in Islam is because of Abraham. It's symbolic.

    I know that. I was pointing out the inconsistency in the quote.

    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: Listen Muslim Men thinking of getting Ear Studs! They are Haram!!
     Reply #9 - April 18, 2009, 11:44 AM

    What does it symbolize?


    Abraham's preparedness to sacrifice his son. Therefore, in Islam, his belief in god.

    So, summarizing: Muslims "sacrifice" their foreskin to symbolize Abraham who was ready to sacrifice his son but never really did it. Correct?

    And, who introduced circumcision and this symbolism in Islam?

    Do not look directly at the operational end of the device.
  • Re: Listen Muslim Men thinking of getting Ear Studs! They are Haram!!
     Reply #10 - April 18, 2009, 11:45 AM

    I doubt Mohammed could have anticipated that. Preserving tribal loyalties was more important.


    Well, then he shouldn't have said dumb stuff like, "There is no greater fitna for men than women." Bukhari 4808, Muslim 2704.  Angry

    Women are accused of causing fitna when they work with men, & people are advised to avoid mixed workplaces, for fear of fitna!

    Ironically, had Muhammad not worked for Khadija, & managed to impress & wed her, he couldn't  afford to laze  Chilling in hills & spot angels Angelic & djinns ghost, he'd have to get off his ass & work every single day!

    World renowned historian Will Durant"...the Islamic conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in history. It is a discouraging tale, for its evident moral is that civilization is a precious good, whose delicate complex order and freedom can at any moment be overthrown..."
  • Re: Listen Muslim Men thinking of getting Ear Studs! They are Haram!!
     Reply #11 - April 18, 2009, 12:00 PM

    I know that. I was pointing out the inconsistency in the quote.


    Circumcision is considered a 'necessity' in Islam. Islam is caught between natural needs and how its society is positioned historically. That is its dilemma.

    "...every imperfection in man is a bond with heaven..." - Karl Marx
  • Re: Listen Muslim Men thinking of getting Ear Studs! They are Haram!!
     Reply #12 - April 18, 2009, 12:01 PM

    What does it symbolize?


    Abraham's preparedness to sacrifice his son. Therefore, in Islam, his belief in god.

    So, summarizing: Muslims "sacrifice" their foreskin to symbolize Abraham who was ready to sacrifice his son but never really did it. Correct?

    It's like this, dude. Allah says you'll get to bonk yourself silly in heaven so if you really believed him you'd be cool with cutting your dick off, because you're going to get a much better one later anyway. Only problem with that is it would lead to a shortage of Muslims and we can't have that, so Allah knows best and proclaimed that just chopping a bit of the end is enough.

    Of course this doesn't constitute tampering with Allah's creation or anything like that. Deary me, no.

    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: Listen Muslim Men thinking of getting Ear Studs! They are Haram!!
     Reply #13 - April 18, 2009, 12:03 PM

    I know that. I was pointing out the inconsistency in the quote.


    Circumcision is considered a 'necessity' in Islam. Islam is caught between natural needs and how its society is positioned historically. That is its dilemma.

    Yes I know it is considered a necessity. Everyone knows that. However the logic espoused by the fatwa in the OP still doesn't stand up to scrutiny. That was my point. 

    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: Listen Muslim Men thinking of getting Ear Studs! They are Haram!!
     Reply #14 - April 18, 2009, 12:04 PM

    I know that. I was pointing out the inconsistency in the quote.


    Circumcision is considered a 'necessity' in Islam. Islam is caught between natural modern  needs and how its society is positioned historically. That is its dilemma.

    Correction applied?
    Its a struggle between modernity and history - therein lies the problem for progress

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  • Re: Listen Muslim Men thinking of getting Ear Studs! They are Haram!!
     Reply #15 - April 18, 2009, 12:04 PM

    Well, then he shouldn't have said dumb stuff like, "There is no greater fitna for men than women." Bukhari 4808, Muslim 2704.  Angry


    Ah, but is that not true?

    "...every imperfection in man is a bond with heaven..." - Karl Marx
  • Re: Listen Muslim Men thinking of getting Ear Studs! They are Haram!!
     Reply #16 - April 18, 2009, 12:12 PM

    It's like this, dude. Allah says you'll get to bonk yourself silly in heaven so if you really believed him you'd be cool with cutting your dick off, because you're going to get a much better one later anyway. Only problem with that is it would lead to a shortage of Muslims and we can't have that, so Allah knows best and proclaimed that just chopping a bit of the end is enough.

    Of course this doesn't constitute tampering with Allah's creation or anything like that. Deary me, no.

    Mmmhh, but where is circumcision mentioned? Is it in the Quran? Hadith? Or traditions?
    I am asking simply cause I have no idea

    Do not look directly at the operational end of the device.
  • Re: Listen Muslim Men thinking of getting Ear Studs! They are Haram!!
     Reply #17 - April 18, 2009, 12:20 PM

    Correction applied?
    Its a struggle between modernity and history - there lies the problem for progress


    No. Islam starts out from spiritual needs. It kaleidoscopically grows outwards. It has its problem in making sure the needs are fulfilled. Modernity is a rupture in history but it does not conflict with Islam. If anything, Islam is perfectly suited because it has the levelling ethos.

    "...every imperfection in man is a bond with heaven..." - Karl Marx
  • Re: Listen Muslim Men thinking of getting Ear Studs! They are Haram!!
     Reply #18 - April 18, 2009, 12:33 PM

    Correction applied?
    Its a struggle between modernity and history - there lies the problem for progress


    No. Islam starts out from spiritual needs. It kaleidoscopically grows outwards. It has its problem in making sure the needs are fulfilled. Modernity is a rupture in history but it does not conflict with Islam. If anything, Islam is perfectly suited because it has the levelling ethos.


    Islam starts out with its Prophet slaughtering idolaters & Jews, forcibly converting them to his faith, & after his demise, his converted people seek to break free via ridda wars, which are ruthlessly suppressed.

    Then it overruns much of the world's most successful & richest places like the Persian Empire, the Byzantine Empire, Gandhara, Egypt & the Eastern Roman Empire, & manages to have a brief spell of success, thanks to conquering some brilliant and flourishing societies.Nevertheless, its conquests are less impressive than Alexander the Great's & even its civilization smaller than China's Confucian culture-which spread over all of China, Japan, Korea & Vietnam, or even India's Hindu\Buddhist culture, which in its heyday spread all over India, Pak, Afghanistan, Bangladesh, Cambodia, Laos, Indonesia

    Soon their beliefs take over & destroy these flourishing societies, & those populations become nihilistic bigots, meanwhile much of the Islam free parts of the world-be it the West, Japan, Korea & others flourish, so further possibility of loot ends-& the ugly face of Islam remains in the societies it had conquered & subjugated.

    World renowned historian Will Durant"...the Islamic conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in history. It is a discouraging tale, for its evident moral is that civilization is a precious good, whose delicate complex order and freedom can at any moment be overthrown..."
  • Re: Listen Muslim Men thinking of getting Ear Studs! They are Haram!!
     Reply #19 - April 18, 2009, 12:49 PM

    Mmmhh, but where is circumcision mentioned? Is it in the Quran? Hadith? Or traditions?
    I am asking simply cause I have no idea


    Check out this Islamic site Tlaloc!  Smiley

    http://www.missionislam.com/health/circumcisionislam.html

    World renowned historian Will Durant"...the Islamic conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in history. It is a discouraging tale, for its evident moral is that civilization is a precious good, whose delicate complex order and freedom can at any moment be overthrown..."
  • Re: Listen Muslim Men with Ear Studs! Piercings & women colleagues are Haram!!
     Reply #20 - April 18, 2009, 12:53 PM

    I find it bizarre reasoning to say that ear piercing is fine but nose piercing is mutilation of allahs creation. The both involve the exact same process.

    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: Listen Muslim Men with Ear Studs! Piercings & women colleagues are Haram!!
     Reply #21 - April 18, 2009, 05:34 PM

    I find it bizarre reasoning to say that ear piercing is fine but nose piercing is mutilation of allahs creation. The both involve the exact same process.


    Allah knows best!  015

    World renowned historian Will Durant"...the Islamic conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in history. It is a discouraging tale, for its evident moral is that civilization is a precious good, whose delicate complex order and freedom can at any moment be overthrown..."
  • Re: Listen Muslim Men with Ear Studs! Piercings & women colleagues are Haram!!
     Reply #22 - April 19, 2009, 07:37 AM

    I find it bizarre reasoning to say that ear piercing is fine but nose piercing is mutilation of allahs creation. The both involve the exact same process.

    No they don't, silly. One puts holes in your ears and the other puts holes in your nose so they're different. Tongue

    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: Listen Muslim Men with Ear Studs! Piercings & women colleagues are Haram!!
     Reply #23 - April 19, 2009, 11:50 AM

    I find it bizarre reasoning to say that ear piercing is fine but nose piercing is mutilation of allahs creation. The both involve the exact same process.

    No they don't, silly. One puts holes in your ears and the other puts holes in your nose so they're different. Tongue


    And yet, plucking the eyebrows, which is only a temporary alteration of 'god's creation' is so completely frowned upon whilst ear piercing leaves permanent scars in the ears/nose but is still accepted by most madhabs... yet again it's all about controlling women and how they look.  finmad

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  • Re: Listen Muslim Men with Ear Studs! Piercings & women colleagues are Haram!!
     Reply #24 - April 19, 2009, 01:32 PM

    it's all about controlling women and how they look.  finmad


    Further proof that the Islam is written by man  Wink

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  • Re: Listen Muslim Men with Ear Studs! Piercings & women colleagues are Haram!!
     Reply #25 - April 19, 2009, 02:07 PM

    yet again it's all about controlling women


    A man & a woman quitting their jobs as the woman happened to ask the man at her workplace about piercing her ears( shudder, fitna! Insert evil laugh) takes the cake!  Tongue

    Quote from: islam-qa
    Ruling on piercing women's ears
    I have a female colleague at work who is asking me abut the ruling on piercing a girl's ears so that she can wear jewellery , is it halaal? If it is halaal, is it permissible to pierce the ear at the top and not at the bottom?.


    Praise be to Allaah.

    Firstly:

    Working in a place where men and women mix is haraam and has many bad effects. This has been discussed in the answers to questions no. 50398, 6666 and 39799. See also the answer to question no. 27304 which mentions the ruling on speaking to women at work.

    We have mentioned this here because the questioner refers to "my female colleague at work". Your passing on her question and saying that you have spoken with her mean that we are obliged to advise you, before answering your question, and tell you that both of you should look for work where there is no mixing. The questions to which we have referred you spare us the need to repeat the discussion on working in places where men and women mix.

     

    So all those pseudo Muslims working & speaking to non mahram women, quit your jobs immediately! bunny

    World renowned historian Will Durant"...the Islamic conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in history. It is a discouraging tale, for its evident moral is that civilization is a precious good, whose delicate complex order and freedom can at any moment be overthrown..."
  • Re: Listen Muslim Men with Ear Studs! Piercings & women colleagues are Haram!!
     Reply #26 - April 19, 2009, 04:28 PM

    Do bear in mind that islam-qa is Saudi based and all their so-called scholars are Saudis so their world view is laced with the notion that womankind is an evil poison to the male gender...

    Atheism is a non-prophet organization.

    The sleeper has awakened -  Dune

    Give a man a fish, and you'll feed him for a day Give him a religion, and he'll starve to death while praying for a fish!
  • Re: Listen Muslim Men with Ear Studs! Piercings & women colleagues are Haram!!
     Reply #27 - April 19, 2009, 05:24 PM

    Do bear in mind that islam-qa is Saudi based and all their so-called scholars are Saudis so their world view is laced with the notion that womankind is an evil poison to the male gender...



    Ironically, they owe their faith to their Prophet working with a woman, or rather working under a woman, a woman whom their Prophet managed to impress & wed, & whose wealth allowed him to go off to caves, meet angels, djinns & other stuff & start off a new faith...

    Had all these rules been enforced then, Islam wouldn't have begun...Khadija couldn't have worked with men, Muhammad would have to work under some man & work his ass off all his life to make both ends meet, rather than wander off to meditate in caves...  Tongue

    World renowned historian Will Durant"...the Islamic conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in history. It is a discouraging tale, for its evident moral is that civilization is a precious good, whose delicate complex order and freedom can at any moment be overthrown..."
  • Re: Listen Muslim Men with Ear Studs! Piercings & women colleagues are Haram!!
     Reply #28 - April 20, 2009, 02:52 PM

    I love the inconsistencies in these types of statements.
  • Re: Listen Muslim Men thinking of getting Ear Studs! They are Haram!!
     Reply #29 - April 20, 2009, 03:04 PM

    Of course. Jewellery is against Islam.


    What about cock rings? is it harem as well? and what does Islam say about butt plugs. I don't think they can be considered as jewellery.

    oh Muslim, oh servant of Allah, this is a Jew behind me, come and kill him!"
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