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 Topic: Too much surveillance in the UK?

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  • Too much surveillance in the UK?
     OP - January 12, 2009, 05:58 PM

    How many of the members here living in the UK follow the news about programmes and laws launched by your government with regard to surveillance? You might not know, but you and maybe the whole of Europe, too, may soon be in for some awful shit. The latest brilliant surveillance idea involves storing ever e-Mail and every other "traffic" that goes through an Internet Service Provider in a so-called "black box". The costs will be covered by the government, which means you pay for getting your own basic rights stripped away and being treated like a potential criminal.
    Why doesn't the government also pass a bill that forces all post offices in the country to open up every single letter, make a photo-copy of it and store it in a central archival? If that is not ok, why should internet surveillance be? Let's make no mistake, the terrorists who plan attacks are not using MSN and hotmail to exchange details, they use secure internet communication channels these days to hide their plans (maybe encrypted letters, too). Such laws serve no purpose other than to give the ignorant masses a false sense of security. Unfortunately the majority of the population is not informed properly and some of them would even happily trade their liberties for fake security.

    Read for yourself:
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/government-black-boxes-will-collect-every-email-992268.html
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7819230.stm
    Here's a nicely presented video about the Big Brother issue.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhDUhS4RGmA

    In recent times a lot of bad laws came to pass in Europe that affect the privacy and the civil liberties of each unsuspected citizen. The politicians have learned that in order to pass these laws they only have to use the usual scare tactics and rhetoric of how we're in imminent danger of terrorism and how the Internet needs to be controlled and censored to protect our children from predators or stop consummation of child pornography. When you're against those policies the implication might be that you don't care or even like those things, thus you are pushed into a child molester's corner. "You can't be for terrorism and for child abuse, now can you?" Of course every sane person is against those crimes, but those problems are not going to be resolved by creating a state that, as a precaution, spys on its citizens and stores detailed information about their private lives. In fact, I predict that these laws will cause resentment among some groups of the population and it could very well lead to the formation of a terrorist groups by Britains in Britain or by Germans in Germany etc.

    How silly do these motherfucking politicians think people are? These developments make me even more sick than all of the religions combined. When is this madness going to stop? Why are people worried about terrorism when it kills almost 0 people per year in the Western world, while we are getting butt-fucked by our own governments?
    I sadly have to say, the terrorists win.


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  • Re: Too much surveillance in the UK?
     Reply #1 - January 12, 2009, 06:55 PM

    There has been lot of stories about ministers losing millions of people's data. Data from government organisations are being held in Holland and America. I remember a story about security leaks from a centre in America. The DVLA will sell data to most people who want it

    The only people what will benefit from this is the hackers who will no doubt make lots of money selling our details to marketers and fraudster.

    Recently, within the last few days, I've seen stories about an artist who was stopped and lock up for hours because he was taking pictures in his own local area. Trainspotters stopped at stations. Someone told "you could bin laden?s brother" because he was taking pictures of some ships. And what powers did they use to stop these people? Anti-terror powers.

    I don't know about you but I don't feel any safer.

    oh Muslim, oh servant of Allah, this is a Jew behind me, come and kill him!"
  • Re: Too much surveillance in the UK?
     Reply #2 - January 12, 2009, 11:27 PM

    There has been lot of stories about ministers losing millions of people's data. Data from government organisations are being held in Holland and America. I remember a story about security leaks from a centre in America. The DVLA will sell data to most people who want it

    The only people what will benefit from this is the hackers who will no doubt make lots of money selling our details to marketers and fraudster.

    Recently, within the last few days, I've seen stories about an artist who was stopped and lock up for hours because he was taking pictures in his own local area. Trainspotters stopped at stations. Someone told "you could bin laden?s brother" because he was taking pictures of some ships. And what powers did they use to stop these people? Anti-terror powers.

    I don't know about you but I don't feel any safer.



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  • Re: Too much surveillance in the UK?
     Reply #3 - January 13, 2009, 06:11 AM

    Big Brother is watching! I love 1984. Such a powerful novel.

    "Poor human nature, what horrible crimes have been committed in thy name!"
    - Emma Goldman
  • Re: Too much surveillance in the UK?
     Reply #4 - January 13, 2009, 06:20 AM

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article5439604.ece

    Quote
    THE Home Office has quietly adopted a new plan to allow police across Britain routinely to hack into people?s personal computers without a warrant.


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  • Re: Too much surveillance in the UK?
     Reply #5 - January 13, 2009, 02:12 PM

    Big Brother is watching! I love 1984. Such a powerful novel.

    Aren't you too young to read this sh1t? It should have been all about the animal farm for you for now.

    "Ask the slave girl; she will tell you the truth.' So the Apostle called Burayra to ask her. Ali got up and gave her a violent beating first, saying, 'Tell the Apostle the truth.'"
  • Re: Too much surveillance in the UK?
     Reply #6 - January 13, 2009, 04:09 PM

    In the paper i'm reading about the 1911 census being published. I wonder if they knew that around a hundred years time their details would be published then if they would be happy about filled it out?

    oh Muslim, oh servant of Allah, this is a Jew behind me, come and kill him!"
  • Re: Too much surveillance in the UK?
     Reply #7 - January 14, 2009, 11:40 PM

    Big Brother is watching! I love 1984. Such a powerful novel.

    Aren't you too young to read this sh1t? It should have been all about the animal farm for you for now.

    Nah, I'm 18. I can handle Orwell, although I felt like shit for about two weeks after finishing the book. Maybe you're right, I found it too hard to swallow.

    "Poor human nature, what horrible crimes have been committed in thy name!"
    - Emma Goldman
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