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  • Question to the faithful - who/what made God/Allah?
     OP - December 18, 2008, 02:21 PM
    Maybe Jihadi you can answer?
  • Re: Question to the faithful - who/what made God/Allah?
     Reply #1 - December 18, 2008, 10:16 PM
    I remember thinking this when I was a new muslim, it really bothered me, then I remember thinking that this is an idea that should not be thought, because it will lead a person astray...
    I chose to get circumcised at 17, don't tell me I never believed.
  • Re: Question to the faithful - who/what made God/Allah?
     Reply #2 - December 18, 2008, 10:20 PM
    They will tell you that Allah has always been. He has no creator. Blah blah blah blah.That's what Islam teaches and that's what Muslims repeat.
    "Poor human nature, what horrible crimes have been committed in thy name!"
    - Emma Goldman
  • Re: Question to the faithful - who/what made God/Allah?
     Reply #3 - December 18, 2008, 10:26 PM
    Allah is the default setting of the universe, he's just there, always has been, always will be.
    I chose to get circumcised at 17, don't tell me I never believed.
  • Re: Question to the faithful - who/what made God/Allah?
     Reply #4 - December 18, 2008, 10:34 PM
    I think god/allah was made by a race of aliens more powerful than anything we have ever seen, they are waiting for us all to reject god/allah to prove we have evolved to the level of first contact.

    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: Question to the faithful - who/what made God/Allah?
     Reply #5 - December 18, 2008, 10:39 PM
    heh. is it a condition that all of mankind must do so? otherwise, where have they been? or maybe they secretly keep in contact with richard dawkins... yes... it all makes sense now... Elijah Muhammad is in the mother ship!
    I chose to get circumcised at 17, don't tell me I never believed.
  • Re: Question to the faithful - who/what made God/Allah?
     Reply #6 - December 18, 2008, 10:45 PM
    Quote from: awais on December 18, 2008, 10:39 PM
    heh. is it a condition that all of mankind must do so? otherwise, where have they been? or maybe they secretly keep in contact with richard dawkins... yes... it all makes sense now... Elijah Muhammad is in the mother ship!


    Yes, ALL mankind must have evolved to that level before first contact, they tried it once before but looked what happened?  Atlantis vanished.  mysmilie_977
    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: Question to the faithful - who/what made God/Allah?
     Reply #7 - December 18, 2008, 11:37 PM
    Perhaps they were taken away so as not to be harmed by unenlightened?
    I chose to get circumcised at 17, don't tell me I never believed.
  • Re: Question to the faithful - who/what made God/Allah?
     Reply #8 - December 19, 2008, 01:08 AM
    Carl Sagan puts it best.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34-1W_9BhoU&feature=channel_page
    Call me TAP TAP! for I am THE ASS PATTER!
  • Re: Question to the faithful - who/what made God/Allah?
     Reply #9 - December 19, 2008, 09:44 AM
    Well Allah, previously known as Jehovah, has always been around. He's never been created because he is spirit. Only material things are temporary. The spirit is eternal so never created and never ends.

    It's just that He was lying around for all this eternity and suddenly 6,000 years ago got bored stiff and decided to create all these billions of planets. And on one of these innumerable rocks he decided to put man (and woman) a few animals plants, fish and of course not forgetting the viruses to add a little drama.

    When he gets a bit angry he sends floods and plagues, fire and brimstone to destroy those not following the party line.

    He regretted creating man and therefore promises to one day end it all by coming down and taking back a few deserving souls to his eternal abode. For the rest, he's created a nice warm hide out where we can where Prada.

    Knowing Islam is the only true religion we do not allow propagation of any other religion. How can we allow building of churches and temples when their religion is wrong? Thus we will not allow such wrong things in our countries. - Zakir Naik
  • Re: Question to the faithful - who/what made God/Allah?
     Reply #10 - December 19, 2008, 09:47 AM
    Quote from: a.ghazali on December 19, 2008, 09:44 AM
    For the rest, he's created a nice warm hide out where we can where Prada.




    Lmao  Cheesy Cheesy

    Well at least we will have style.  Cheesy
    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: Question to the faithful - who/what made God/Allah?
     Reply #11 - December 19, 2008, 10:10 AM
    Quote from: a.ghazali on December 19, 2008, 09:44 AM
    It's just that He was lying around for all this eternity and suddenly 6,000 years ago got bored stiff and decided to create all these billions of planets. And on one of these innumerable rocks he decided to put man (and woman)


    I had this idea that Allah did this all the time. That he created creatures, gave them free will and tested them over and over again, creating and destroying many different earths, adams, prophets, humanities, maybe even simultaneously to aliens in other galaxies.  wacko
    I chose to get circumcised at 17, don't tell me I never believed.
  • Re: Question to the faithful - who/what made God/Allah?
     Reply #12 - December 19, 2008, 11:18 AM
    One answer I received was that god created himself Roll Eyes
    ~My story~
    ~Collection of unethical hadiths/surahs~
  • Re: Question to the faithful - who/what made God/Allah?
     Reply #13 - December 19, 2008, 11:19 AM
    God is not A being - he is BEING.
  • Re: Question to the faithful - who/what made God/Allah?
     Reply #14 - December 19, 2008, 11:25 AM
    Quote from: diotima on December 19, 2008, 11:19 AM
    God is not A being - he is BEING.

    Yes, I am God, and you are God, we are all God, and there is no God. I believe God is our community conscience, the golden rule being the greatest command.  wacko
    I chose to get circumcised at 17, don't tell me I never believed.
  • Re: Question to the faithful - who/what made God/Allah?
     Reply #15 - December 19, 2008, 11:25 AM
    Quote from: awais on December 19, 2008, 11:25 AM
    Quote from: diotima on December 19, 2008, 11:19 AM
    God is not A being - he is BEING.

    Yes, I am God, and you are God, we are all God, and there is no God. I believe God is our community conscience, the golden rule being the greatest command.  wacko


    yeah, whatever. Roll Eyes
  • Re: Question to the faithful - who/what made God/Allah?
     Reply #16 - December 19, 2008, 11:35 AM
    Quote from: diotima on December 19, 2008, 11:19 AM
    God is not A being - he is BEING.

    Cute aphorism, Dio. Unfortunately it's no more profound than the graffiti on the backs of toilet doors.

    Theology: "explaining" the unknowable in terms of the not-worth-knowing.
    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: Question to the faithful - who/what made God/Allah?
     Reply #17 - December 19, 2008, 11:39 AM
    Quote from: osmanthus on December 19, 2008, 11:35 AM
    Quote from: diotima on December 19, 2008, 11:19 AM
    God is not A being - he is BEING.

    Cute aphorism, Dio. Unfortunately it's no more profound than the graffiti on the backs of toilet doors.

    Theology: "explaining" the unknowable in terms of the not-worth-knowing.


    translation: I didn?t get it.  Wink
  • Re: Question to the faithful - who/what made God/Allah?
     Reply #18 - December 19, 2008, 11:44 AM
    No. Translation: those who expound on it have no real idea what it is supposed to mean either but insist on trying to bluff their way through it (and of course resort to sneering condescension when pressed). yes
    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: Question to the faithful - who/what made God/Allah?
     Reply #19 - December 19, 2008, 11:48 AM
    Quote from: osmanthus on December 19, 2008, 11:44 AM
    No. Translation: those who expound on it have no real idea what it is supposed to mean either but insist on trying to bluff their way through it (and of course resort to sneering condescension when pressed). yes

    Agreed there. I have heard so many people contemplate what God is and how he came to be that it just makes the whole idea seem even more ludicrous when you receive different answers.
    ~My story~
    ~Collection of unethical hadiths/surahs~
  • Re: Question to the faithful - who/what made God/Allah?
     Reply #20 - December 19, 2008, 11:49 AM
    Quote from: osmanthus on December 19, 2008, 11:44 AM
    No. Translation: those who expound on it have no real idea what it is supposed to mean either but insist on trying to bluff their way through it (and of course resort to sneering condescension when pressed). yes


    sure.  Wink

    hint: I know what it means (that God is Being itself, instead of merely a part of creation... a concept necessarily outside our intellectual grasp - much like  Hawkin?s ideas about "first cause" and the universe having been there "always", God - being "Being" always was, wasn?t created. Being as such can?t be created, since any created thing presupposes being, so being itself is a precondition. Unless Being "is", nothing can be.
  • Re: Question to the faithful - who/what made God/Allah?
     Reply #21 - December 19, 2008, 01:14 PM
    Quote from: diotima on December 19, 2008, 11:49 AM
    Quote from: osmanthus on December 19, 2008, 11:44 AM
    No. Translation: those who expound on it have no real idea what it is supposed to mean either but insist on trying to bluff their way through it (and of course resort to sneering condescension when pressed). yes


    sure.  Wink

    hint: I know what it means (that God is Being itself, instead of merely a part of creation... a concept necessarily outside our intellectual grasp - much like  Hawkin?s ideas about "first cause" and the universe having been there "always", God - being "Being" always was, wasn?t created. Being as such can?t be created, since any created thing presupposes being, so being itself is a precondition. Unless Being "is", nothing can be.


    "kun", fayakun.
    I chose to get circumcised at 17, don't tell me I never believed.
  • Re: Question to the faithful - who/what made God/Allah?
     Reply #22 - December 19, 2008, 04:36 PM
    Quote from: BerberElla on December 19, 2008, 09:47 AM
    Quote from: a.ghazali on December 19, 2008, 09:44 AM
    For the rest, he's created a nice warm hide out where we can where Prada.




    Lmao  Cheesy Cheesy

    Well at least we will have style.  Cheesy


    I look forward to that.

    See you in Hell   dance
    Call me TAP TAP! for I am THE ASS PATTER!
  • Re: Question to the faithful - who/what made God/Allah?
     Reply #23 - December 19, 2008, 08:14 PM
    Quote from: diotima on December 19, 2008, 11:49 AM
    Quote from: osmanthus on December 19, 2008, 11:44 AM
    No. Translation: those who expound on it have no real idea what it is supposed to mean either but insist on trying to bluff their way through it (and of course resort to sneering condescension when pressed). yes


    sure.  Wink

    hint: I know what it means (that God is Being itself, instead of merely a part of creation... a concept necessarily outside our intellectual grasp - much like  Hawkin?s ideas about "first cause" and the universe having been there "always", God - being "Being" always was, wasn?t created. Being as such can?t be created, since any created thing presupposes being, so being itself is a precondition. Unless Being "is", nothing can be.

    Mmmm,'a concept necessarily outside our intellectual grasp', eh.  Sounds very much like sneering condescension to me, tempered by false modesty perhaps?
    Oz 10: Dio 0.
    I think it's time you had a look at some up to date Earth Sciences , Dio.
    Religion is ignorance giftwrapped in lyricism.
  • Re: Question to the faithful - who/what made God/Allah?
     Reply #24 - December 19, 2008, 10:37 PM
    And I think it?s time you read my post again, and tried to unders :thnkyu:tand it this time round.
  • Re: Question to the faithful - who/what made God/Allah?
     Reply #25 - December 22, 2008, 08:58 AM
    Jihadi,

    The cat got your tongue?

    You not man/woman enough to defend your faith or do you prefer the true jihad -> if someone disagrees with your illogical bullshit just send a suicide bomber, this way you always win the argument.

    Deep inside your brain, you know your life is a lie!


  • Re: Question to the faithful - who/what made God/Allah?
     Reply #26 - December 22, 2008, 09:03 AM
    Jihadi claims he wants someone to debate him. I cbf'd but perhaps you feel like having a go.
    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: Question to the faithful - who/what made God/Allah?
     Reply #27 - December 26, 2008, 05:56 PM
    Quote from: awais on December 19, 2008, 10:10 AM
    Quote from: a.ghazali on December 19, 2008, 09:44 AM
    It's just that He was lying around for all this eternity and suddenly 6,000 years ago got bored stiff and decided to create all these billions of planets. And on one of these innumerable rocks he decided to put man (and woman)


    I had this idea that Allah did this all the time. That he created creatures, gave them free will and tested them over and over again, creating and destroying many different earths, adams, prophets, humanities, maybe even simultaneously to aliens in other galaxies.  wacko


    Thats like the cyclical ideas of creation in Hindu philosophy.
    To me it begs the question, why? Albert Einstein defined insanity as doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
    Life is a sexually transmitted disease which is invariably fatal.
  • Re: Question to the faithful - who/what made God/Allah?
     Reply #28 - December 26, 2008, 07:16 PM
    Quote from: awais on December 19, 2008, 10:10 AM
    Quote from: a.ghazali on December 19, 2008, 09:44 AM
    It's just that He was lying around for all this eternity and suddenly 6,000 years ago got bored stiff and decided to create all these billions of planets. And on one of these innumerable rocks he decided to put man (and woman)


    I had this idea that Allah did this all the time. That he created creatures, gave them free will and tested them over and over again, creating and destroying many different earths, adams, prophets, humanities, maybe even simultaneously to aliens in other galaxies.  wacko


    I always thought it sounded like SimCity, or Civ... build up a society, and then pick your favourite catastrophies just to see how it turns out. 

    Maybe God is really just Comic Book guy from the Simpsons.  "I command thee to worship me"
  • Re: Question to the faithful - who/what made God/Allah?
     Reply #29 - December 26, 2008, 08:06 PM
    As amusing as that is, it is also something that is very relevant. Let us say that an entity more complex than anything we've encountered created this universe and everything in it. That does not automatically make Muhammad the last messenger of Allah. What if it is completely non-sentient, like Aristotle's unmoved mover? What if it IS just a computer game player in another universe more complex than ours? You can't disprove it... So does that make you agnostic about those possibilities?
    "At 8:47 I do a grenade jump off a ladder."
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