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OP - November 25, 2008, 11:53 AM

A response to my video Hell from: 007SubmissioN007:

i understand your question becouse that was something that botherd me for a long time 2, but i hoop i go a good explenation for u. the reson unbelievers go to hell wehter they don bad things or good is becouse even if u are a good persoon u can still do bad things example. a good persoon can go to work avery day eat and then go to sleep without think to harm some 1, but if u think about it that person is one of the milion persons that are active in the sistem that is destroying our comuneties and natur. by destroying comuneties i mean like amarica is making wars in alot of african, arabic enz contries. but even if u don't aprove it you still working at vor a exaplem MC donald and that is making america a stronger and richer contry by doing that your stilll helping america with what it is doing. as long is your not fighting against the sistem your working with it and that makes u a bad person. and real muslim olways fight agains bad things in sociaty's and send the good and reall message. sorry for my bad english, and if u have a question about what i sended u please ask it.

i am BTW a X-christian almost converted to islam

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Reply #1 - November 25, 2008, 11:54 AM

Thank you for your reply 007SubmissioN007

I have made a rule that I am not going to interact over youtube for various reasons.

But I have posted your reply on the forum below where you can come and discuss this.

http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=3794.new#new

Best wishes.
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Reply #2 - November 25, 2008, 12:00 PM

Similar to 007 James Bond

OK, first of all I don't think working for American companies etc. means helping America in war. Plus, I am always surprized at opposition at Mcdonanld, why not google, Microsoft, apple?

But, let me assume for a minute that it is wrong to work in McDonalds, but that will be a sin of finite effects, how can a person working in McDonald should be punished for eternity?

I can't accept existence of permanent hell. Yes, there are hundreds of fallcies in all the faith, but what I like it in Hinduism and Budhhism that no one is condemned to hell permanently. One day everyone will attain Nirvana.
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Reply #3 - November 25, 2008, 12:49 PM

Quote from: Hassan on November 25, 2008, 11:53 AM
A response to my video Hell from: 007SubmissioN007:

i understand your question becouse that was something that botherd me for a long time 2, but i hoop i go a good explenation for u. the reson unbelievers go to hell wehter they don bad things or good is becouse even if u are a good persoon u can still do bad things example. a good persoon can go to work avery day eat and then go to sleep without think to harm some 1, but if u think about it that person is one of the milion persons that are active in the sistem that is destroying our comuneties and natur. by destroying comuneties i mean like amarica is making wars in alot of african, arabic enz contries. but even if u don't aprove it you still working at vor a exaplem MC donald and that is making america a stronger and richer contry by doing that your stilll helping america with what it is doing. as long is your not fighting against the sistem your working with it and that makes u a bad person. and real muslim olways fight agains bad things in sociaty's and send the good and reall message. sorry for my bad english, and if u have a question about what i sended u please ask it.

i am BTW a X-christian almost converted to islam

Peace

That's a terrible response, if working for Mcdonalds is the road to hell because it helps America grow stronger, then by that same stick we can judge all muslims as being the same as terrorists for being muslims and strengthening the ummah.

Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
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Reply #4 - November 25, 2008, 12:53 PM

It is a terrible argument. Its effectively condoning collective punishment of a people for anything their governments do wrong.

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Reply #5 - November 25, 2008, 01:07 PM

Here's a challenge. Work outside the system while living in America. Can't do it unless you move to the woods and hunt for and grow your own food.

America is what you want it to be (Ideally). Have a problem, work to make a change.

Don't like Mickey Deez? Vote with your wallet.

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Reply #6 - November 25, 2008, 03:01 PM

Quote from: learn2bcalm on November 25, 2008, 12:00 PM
Similar to 007 James Bond

OK, first of all I don't think working for American companies etc. means helping America in war. Plus, I am always surprized at opposition at Mcdonanld, why not google, Microsoft, apple?

But, let me assume for a minute that it is wrong to work in McDonalds, but that will be a sin of finite effects, how can a person working in McDonald should be punished for eternity?

I can't accept existence of permanent hell. Yes, there are hundreds of fallcies in all the faith, but what I like it in Hinduism and Budhhism that no one is condemned to hell permanently. One day everyone will attain Nirvana.
What is truth, I don't know. I just wish it to be true.

What do you imagine or believe Nirvana to be L2BC ?

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Reply #7 - November 25, 2008, 03:03 PM

Quote from: Cheetah on November 25, 2008, 12:53 PM
It is a terrible argument. Its effectively condoning collective punishment of a people for anything their governments do wrong.

Yep. It's the kind of herd mentality that religion promotes.

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Reply #8 - November 25, 2008, 03:10 PM

Yes, cessation of desires, misseries, ill-feelings. State of complete bliss and peace. I don't think it possible only after death. I don't belive in literal rebirths but I think life will continue after death. The universe is something more than physical one. We will be given chance to make up for mistakes, learn from experiences. And finally everyone of use will attain Nirvana, experience that peace. That is what I believe or I would like that to happen. I don't claim it is 'THE TRUTH.' And yes, I can be definitely wrong.

Hassan, I am sorry if I am de-railing the thread.
Quote from: sojournerlumus on November 25, 2008, 03:01 PM
Quote from: learn2bcalm on November 25, 2008, 12:00 PM
Similar to 007 James Bond

OK, first of all I don't think working for American companies etc. means helping America in war. Plus, I am always surprized at opposition at Mcdonanld, why not google, Microsoft, apple?

But, let me assume for a minute that it is wrong to work in McDonalds, but that will be a sin of finite effects, how can a person working in McDonald should be punished for eternity?

I can't accept existence of permanent hell. Yes, there are hundreds of fallcies in all the faith, but what I like it in Hinduism and Budhhism that no one is condemned to hell permanently. One day everyone will attain Nirvana.
What is truth, I don't know. I just wish it to be true.

What do you imagine or believe Nirvana to be L2BC ?
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Reply #9 - November 25, 2008, 03:34 PM

Hell is really a tool of fear perpetrated by religions to subdue their flock into submission and subservience to the clergy. Basically you do not have any second chances submit now or be forever damned. Christianity formalised its teaching and Muhammad ran with the concept like a camel in heat.

But the comments are quite hilarious. And is no less than could be expected from one affected by blind faith. Logic and rational goes out the window in their zeal to defend their unjustifiable beliefs.

Anyway is there a link to the video? I searched youtube for 'hassan' and 'hell' but nothing that I think related to this came up.

Cheers.

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Reply #10 - November 25, 2008, 04:01 PM
Quote from: a.ghazali on November 25, 2008, 03:34 PM
Anyway is there a link to the video? I searched youtube for 'hassan' and 'hell' but nothing that I think related to this came up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPqLpgxPxfc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPqLpgxPxfc
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Reply #11 - November 25, 2008, 04:18 PM

Thanks awais
I should have been searching for discussislam!

Very interesting. I am listening at the moment

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Reply #12 - November 25, 2008, 04:18 PM

Quote from: a.ghazali on November 25, 2008, 03:34 PM
Christianity formalised its teaching and Muhammad ran with the concept like a camel in heat.

I was not blessed with the ability to have blind faith. I cant beleive something just because someone says its true.
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