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  • Islam is the reason British teachers are suddenly happy to teach creationism
     OP - November 16, 2008, 07:44 PM

    Islam is the reason British teachers are suddenly happy to teach creationism (Source)

    One in three teachers believe that creationism should be taught in school science lessons. Why? It's not because they've developed a sudden respect for fundamentalist Christian interpretations of the Bible. It's because devout Muslim pupils - and their parents - regard Darwin's teachings as blasphemous.

    The science of evolution contradicts a literal reading of the Koran, just as it contradicts the seven-day creation narrative of Genesis. The difference is that most devout Muslims - more than 90 per cent worldwide - accept Islam's account of creation as the simple truth, whereas in Britain only a small minority of churchgoers are creationists.

    In the last five years, Harun Yahya, a Turkish-based Islamic creationist propaganda machine, has been flooding the developed world with sophisticated material, including an incredibly glossy, huge and heavy 800-page Atlas of Creation which "proves" that all living species were created simultaneously. "Living beings have not undergone the slightest change for hundreds of millions of years," it asserts.

    Multiple copies of this "atlas" have arrived at the two newspaper offices where I work, the Telegraph and the Catholic Herald. Schools all over the country are receiving unsolicited copies for their libraries. Is anyone even flicking through them before they go on the shelves? My guess is that the book is fast becoming an accepted resouce for state schools with Muslim pupils. Who is paying for this vast work of fantasy dressed up as science? I bet the funding doesn't all come from Turkey. Saudi, perhaps?

    Meanwhile, as counterknowledge.com reports, the influence of Adnan Oktar, the fundamentalist who runs Harun Yahya, is growing enormously. Oktar has managed to block access in Turkey to numerous websites that challenge him, including at one stage Google groups. According to one report, 61 websites have been targeted by Oktar/Yahya, whose work has been translated into 57 languages.

    This is a battle that the educational establishment just isn't prepared for. Guardian readers associate creationism with US Republicans, not ethnic minorities. Now they face a painful dilemma: should they fight to exclude the creationist viewpoint from science lessons, risking accusations of Islamophobia from angry parents, or should they embrace pseudoscience in the name of cultural diversity? It's a tough one.

    www.harunyahya.com
    www.atlasofcreation.com

    Tut: I've edited in a link to the source via a heading (which is my standard practice when quoting articles from other sites). Please do not simply post other people's articles without attribution. It could get you in the shit.
  • Re: Islam is the reason British teachers are suddenly happy to teach creationism
     Reply #1 - November 16, 2008, 07:45 PM

    Those who think Islam or The Quran promotes creationism simply have no idea about The Quran.

    Interestingly, the theory of evolution was thought of by muslims way before Darwin. Anyone can verify this by reading the famous book: Muqaddimah, an Introduction to History by Ibn Khaldun [1332-1406, 400 years before Darwin!]:

    "One should then look at the world of Creation. It started out from the minerals and progressed, in an ingenious, gradual manner to plants and animals. The last stage of minerals is connected with the first stage of plants, such as herbs and seedles plants. The last stage of plants such as palms and vine sis connected with the first stage of animals, such as snails and shellfish which have only the power to touch. The word 'connection' with regard to these created things means that the last stage of each group is fully prepared to become the first stage of the next group. The animal world then widens, its species become numerous, and, in a gradual process of creation, it finally leads to man, who is able to think and reflect. The higher stage of man is reached from the world of monkeys, in which both sagacity and perception are found, but which has not reached the stage of actual reflection and thinking. At this point we come to the first stage of man ( after the world of monkeys). This is as far as our (physical) observation extends."

    You can read a lot of this book online in google:
    http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=qRHiQW95TfMC

    Quran on evolution (one amongst many sites):
    http://www.parvez-video.com/insight/islam/evolution_quran/index.asp

    The only reason why most Muslims of today think evolution is not "Islamic" is that when the West threatened Christianity and its creationism it was seen as an attack on God/religion in general, and Muslims began to adopt anti-evolution views themselves.

    The only real difference in evolution theory and The Quran's version is that when it came to humans, the peak, they were given special qualities which put them above and beyond all other species, and the test of this life was initiated. You can read this in the story of Adam in The Quran.
  • Re: Islam is the reason British teachers are suddenly happy to teach creationism
     Reply #2 - November 16, 2008, 07:47 PM

    Harun Yahya is a dummy. I knew that when I was a devout muslim. I hope British schools are smarter than to cave into that ignorance.

    I chose to get circumcised at 17, don't tell me I never believed.
  • Re: Islam is the reason British teachers are suddenly happy to teach creationism
     Reply #3 - November 16, 2008, 10:10 PM

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    The only reason why most Muslims of today think evolution is not "Islamic" is that when the West threatened Christianity and its creationism it was seen as an attack on God/religion in general, and Muslims began to adopt anti-evolution views themselves.

    The only real difference in evolution theory and The Quran's version is that when it came to humans, the peak, they were given special qualities which put them above and beyond all other species, and the test of this life was initiated. You can read this in the story of Adam in The Quran.


    Bull shit.  Muslims think evolution is not Islamic because it contradicts their own creation story, nothing to do with the west.  Your second paragraph is a bit pathetic.  Evolution is true, the Qur'an is not, so wherever the book of Islamic woo contradicts nature, even if its only once, it is a reason to point and laugh, same as the Bible.

    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Re: Islam is the reason British teachers are suddenly happy to teach creationism
     Reply #4 - November 16, 2008, 10:43 PM

    you need to open your mind, you can render everything into rationality and logic. We might as well just kill outselfs, whats the point, hate this bullshit determinism crap.
  • Re: Islam is the reason British teachers are suddenly happy to teach creationism
     Reply #5 - November 16, 2008, 11:49 PM

    This is a battle that the educational establishment just isn't prepared for. Guardian readers associate creationism with US Republicans, not ethnic minorities. Now they face a painful dilemma: should they fight to exclude the creationist viewpoint from science lessons, risking accusations of Islamophobia from angry parents, or should they embrace pseudoscience in the name of cultural diversity? It's a tough one.

    Bollocks. It isn't a painful dilemma at all. It's a very simple and clear cut situation.

    Science classes are for teaching science. Creationism, whether sourced from Yahya's book or anywhere else, is not science. Consequently it does not belong in science classes unless, and this is a very important point, it is there simply so that teachers can demonstrate how wrong it is. There is value in this because it can teach people a hell of a lot about how evolution works and how much backing there is for it.

    To suggest that creationism has any other reason for being in science classes is simply idiotic. Any snivelling twit who thinks mindless accusations of Islamophobia are good reason to teach medieval claptrap in 21st century science lessons should have no place in formulating educational policy or standards.

    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: Islam is the reason British teachers are suddenly happy to teach creationism
     Reply #6 - November 17, 2008, 11:44 AM

    Those who think Islam or The Quran promotes creationism simply have no idea about The Quran.

    Interestingly, the theory of evolution was thought of by muslims way before Darwin. Anyone can verify this by reading the famous book: Muqaddimah, an Introduction to History by Ibn Khaldun [1332-1406, 400 years before Darwin!]:

    "One should then look at the world of Creation. It started out from the minerals and progressed, in an ingenious, gradual manner to plants and animals. The last stage of minerals is connected with the first stage of plants, such as herbs and seedles plants. The last stage of plants such as palms and vine sis connected with the first stage of animals, such as snails and shellfish which have only the power to touch. The word 'connection' with regard to these created things means that the last stage of each group is fully prepared to become the first stage of the next group. The animal world then widens, its species become numerous, and, in a gradual process of creation, it finally leads to man, who is able to think and reflect. The higher stage of man is reached from the world of monkeys, in which both sagacity and perception are found, but which has not reached the stage of actual reflection and thinking. At this point we come to the first stage of man ( after the world of monkeys). This is as far as our (physical) observation extends."

    You can read a lot of this book online in google:
    http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=qRHiQW95TfMC

    Quran on evolution (one amongst many sites):
    http://www.parvez-video.com/insight/islam/evolution_quran/index.asp

    The only reason why most Muslims of today think evolution is not "Islamic" is that when the West threatened Christianity and its creationism it was seen as an attack on God/religion in general, and Muslims began to adopt anti-evolution views themselves.

    The only real difference in evolution theory and The Quran's version is that when it came to humans, the peak, they were given special qualities which put them above and beyond all other species, and the test of this life was initiated. You can read this in the story of Adam in The Quran.


    And why does a book by Ibn Khaldun reflects on the koran? How about you quote us the koran itself? Why do I have to point such things for you, why can't you just see the collusion for yourself (Between the First line and the rest of the paragraph)? You are the muslim not me, you should catch this crap better then I can.


    "Ask the slave girl; she will tell you the truth.' So the Apostle called Burayra to ask her. Ali got up and gave her a violent beating first, saying, 'Tell the Apostle the truth.'"
  • Re: Islam is the reason British teachers are suddenly happy to teach creationism
     Reply #7 - November 17, 2008, 06:41 PM

    Why do I have to point such things for you?



    You don't, you just happen to have a an over inflated sense of self importance. Wink

    Ha Ha.
  • Re: Islam is the reason British teachers are suddenly happy to teach creationism
     Reply #8 - November 17, 2008, 06:58 PM

    Where do you get your 'one in three teachers from'. give us the links/ research.

    Religion is ignorance giftwrapped in lyricism.
  • Re: Islam is the reason British teachers are suddenly happy to teach creationism
     Reply #9 - November 17, 2008, 10:13 PM

    There was a survey done recently, SJ. There's another thread about it in this board.

    Tut: is the OP plagiarised from somewhere else or did you write the entire thing yourself?
    If it is not all your own work please provide attribution to prevent legal problems. Kthnx.

    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: Islam is the reason British teachers are suddenly happy to teach creationism
     Reply #10 - November 17, 2008, 10:21 PM

    It's from the telegraph Source

    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: Islam is the reason British teachers are suddenly happy to teach creationism
     Reply #11 - November 17, 2008, 10:33 PM

    Thanks. I've Edited the OP. Afro

    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
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