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  • Conservative or liberal
     Reply #90 - September 26, 2014, 11:39 AM

    mubs, would you prefer social Darwinism?


    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Conservative or liberal
     Reply #91 - September 26, 2014, 11:40 AM


    Also mubs check out Welfare States in the Euro Crisis Afro

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Conservative or liberal
     Reply #92 - September 26, 2014, 11:49 AM

    Im not big on using labels. I think welfare can only work if it does not create dependence. These countries have a greater sense of identity and nationalism ( recent rise of Far right parties, Islamophobia and anti-semitism in europe especially Northern Europe. )  This unity means people buy-in to the countrys success and have a greater desire to contribute.
  • Conservative or liberal
     Reply #93 - September 26, 2014, 11:55 AM

    Im not big on using labels. I think welfare can only work if it does not create dependence. These countries have a greater sense of identity and nationalism ( recent rise of Far right parties, Islamophobia and anti-semitism in europe especially Northern Europe. )  This unity means people buy-in to the countrys success and have a greater desire to contribute.

    Your comment is unbelievably stupid.

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Conservative or liberal
     Reply #94 - September 26, 2014, 11:55 AM

    The one exception to this was his maid, Helen Demuth, who he sexually abused.

    He was abusive to his wife...


    Cite your sources.

    "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused."
  • Conservative or liberal
     Reply #95 - September 26, 2014, 11:57 AM

    I'd advise you to read and decide for yourself. My personal opinion won't much matter to you, as yours won't to me.

    You know, since we're authoritarian and stuff, we don't allow people to come to their own conclusions etc. Totally.


    You cant just name one significant success?
  • Conservative or liberal
     Reply #96 - September 26, 2014, 11:57 AM

    Your comment is unbelievably stupid.


    Why?
  • Conservative or liberal
     Reply #97 - September 26, 2014, 11:58 AM

    mubs_352, you're like a badly written parody of a conservative. Everything you say is a cliche.


    Nailed it. Cheesy

    "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused."
  • Conservative or liberal
     Reply #98 - September 26, 2014, 12:06 PM

    Why?

    You don't understand why saying the recent rise of far right parties, islamophobia and anti-semitism is a sign of national unity is idiotic? And I'm also waiting to see how nationalism equals less people on the dole.

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Conservative or liberal
     Reply #99 - September 26, 2014, 12:08 PM

    Also, never got an answer to this.
    mubs, would you prefer social Darwinism?


    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Conservative or liberal
     Reply #100 - September 26, 2014, 12:13 PM


    Cite your sources.


    Indeed, the nameemah of a comrade is a great sin.

    It was narrated that Abu Hurayrah said: The MSN messenger passed by two graves and said, “They are being punished, but they are not being punished for anything that was difficult to avoid. One of them used to walk about spreading malicious gossip (nameemah) about his comrades trough facebook and internet forums, and the other used not to take precautions to avoid getting urine on himself when he urinated.” [al-Bukhaari, Muslim]
  • Conservative or liberal
     Reply #101 - September 26, 2014, 12:23 PM

    nevermind.

    "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused."
  • Conservative or liberal
     Reply #102 - September 26, 2014, 12:25 PM

    Hold on allat are you responding to me or Stephen? Huh?
  • Conservative or liberal
     Reply #103 - September 26, 2014, 12:26 PM

    You're right. That comment was for Stephen. I'll wait till he (doesn't) cites sources.

    "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused."
  • Conservative or liberal
     Reply #104 - September 26, 2014, 12:26 PM

    Lol that was funny
  • Conservative or liberal
     Reply #105 - September 26, 2014, 12:27 PM

    Hold on allat are you responding to me or Stephen?


    TBH honest, the comment is actually funny from you since I know you are not trying to evade citing sources (and you didn't make the original outrageous claim).

    "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused."
  • Conservative or liberal
     Reply #106 - September 26, 2014, 12:29 PM

    Lol that was funny


    Glad you found it funny.

    Now, my right wing, slavery supporting, honour killing supporting, anti feminist douchebag of the month.

    Tell us exactly what you meant by this (which was referring to your post here).

    Don't make me ask questions more than once. Got it?

    "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused."
  • Conservative or liberal
     Reply #107 - September 26, 2014, 12:34 PM

    allat
    I just found a hadith online that I found funny and just wanted to show it....its actually a real hadith(ok I tweeked it a bit)...no criticism of Marx,socialism or communism. Maybe I should've put it into a different context

    Here is the real hadith

    It was narrated that Ibn ‘Abbas said: The Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) passed by two graves and said, “They are being punished, but they are not being punished for anything that was difficult to avoid. One of them used to walk about spreading malicious gossip (nameemah), and the other used not to take precautions to avoid getting urine on himself when he urinated.” Then he called for a green branch, which he split in two and planted a piece on each grave, and said, “May their torment be reduced so long as these do not dry out.” [al-Bukhaari, Muslim]


  • Conservative or liberal
     Reply #108 - September 26, 2014, 12:35 PM

    No problemo. I thought it was quite funny when I realized it was you who'd posted it.  Wink

    "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused."
  • Conservative or liberal
     Reply #109 - September 26, 2014, 12:37 PM

    I dont get it. Do you think my post with the two links was irrelevant to this discussion? If so then feel free to delete it.
  • Conservative or liberal
     Reply #110 - September 26, 2014, 12:39 PM

    No. I asked you to enlighten us what left/right politics has to do with what you posted here:

    Quote
    Men who are strong are more likely to take a right-wing stance, while weaker men support the welfare state, researchers claim.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2325414/Men-physically-strong-likely-right-wing-political-views.html


    Quote
    Suffrage coincided with immediate increases in state government expenditures and revenue and more liberal voting patterns for federal representatives, and these effects continued growing over time as more women took advantage of the franchise.

    http://www.people.fas.harvard.edu/~iversen/PDFfiles/LottKenny.pdf


    Elaborate exactly what you mean. Exactly. In detail.

    "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused."
  • Conservative or liberal
     Reply #111 - September 26, 2014, 12:43 PM

    you dont see the connection?

    If you want a detailed response it will have to wait until i get home and have time.
  • Conservative or liberal
     Reply #112 - September 26, 2014, 12:46 PM

    you dont see the connection?


    I want to read it from you. I want to know exactly what you mean there.

    If you want a detailed response it will have to wait until i get home and have time.


    Ok. I'll hold you to that.

    "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused."
  • Conservative or liberal
     Reply #113 - September 26, 2014, 12:49 PM


    Here is the real hadith

    It was narrated that Ibn ‘Abbas said: The Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) passed by two graves and said, “They are being punished, but they are not being punished for anything that was difficult to avoid. One of them used to walk about spreading malicious gossip (nameemah), and the other used not to take precautions to avoid getting urine on himself when he urinated.” Then he called for a green branch, which he split in two and planted a piece on each grave, and said, “May their torment be reduced so long as these do not dry out.” [al-Bukhaari, Muslim]



    Holy crap that hadith is for real. I was going to.commend you on your excellent parody writing skills.
  • Conservative or liberal
     Reply #114 - September 26, 2014, 01:13 PM

    No problemo. I thought it was quite funny when I realized it was you who'd posted it.  Wink

    I'm serious when it comes to seeking knowledge, especially when I ask the people of knowledge about real issues facing the Ummah(which I havent done for more than a month).

    https://twitter.com/SomaliWanderer/status/497717386834108416
    https://twitter.com/islamqa_en/status/499784374385000448
    https://twitter.com/Assimalhakeem/status/498123410031902721
  • Conservative or liberal
     Reply #115 - September 26, 2014, 01:42 PM

    Ok, I will try and give an explanation of my post as I have been told by mods that not doing so will result in a ban/restricted access.

    So the way I see it is like this, generally speaking

    Right: Less Equality of Outcome and Wealth Redistribution, Less Government, More Individual Freedom, Less Taxes, Less Welfare, More Military expenditure etc

    Left; Greater Equality of Outcome and Wealth Redistribution, Government, Less Freedom, Greater taxes, Greater Welfare, Less Military expenditure,

    If you are confident in your ability, you wont want income redistribution and other government interventions that may diminish any advantage you may have over others. But if you are weak or lazy then you are more likely to want handouts that disadvantage those stronger than you.

    But the thing is, rewarding strength, fitness, success etc is important for a sociery.

    The other link is about how the political landscape shifted significantly to the Left once women were given the vote. One reason they give is that women were afraid to be dependant on their husbands so asked the government to provide for them instead. Replacing dependance on a husband with dependance on a government is a really stupid thing to do. The Government cannot be the father, but they are trying now, and we have greater proportion of unruly,disrespectful and dysfunctional children with each generation (amongst other problems).
    Quote
    "Researchers have several theories to explain why children growing up with single parents have an elevated risk of experiencing cognitive, social, and emotional problems. Most refer either to the economic and parental resources available to children or to the stressful events and circumstances to which these children must adapt."


    http://futureofchildren.org/publications/journals/article/index.xml?journalid=37&articleid=107&sectionid=692

    How many single parent families we there before the Leftist movement of Women's Lib altered the landscape?
  • Conservative or liberal
     Reply #116 - September 26, 2014, 01:58 PM

    So the way I see it is like this, generally speaking

    Right: Less Equality of Outcome and Wealth Redistribution, Less Government, More Individual Freedom, Less Taxes, Less Welfare, More Military expenditure etc


    What about the individual freedom of women? Is that not important in your view? Only men should be free, not women?

    Left; Greater Equality of Outcome and Wealth Redistribution, Government, Less Freedom, Greater taxes, Greater Welfare, Less Military expenditure,


    So the Left in general gives women the right to choose who to marry and whether to marry and how many kids to have and whether to have them, and the freedom to work in various fields and to choose to live as independently as they want.

    To you, this means less freedom for men?

    Why do you feel that women's freedoms are expendable?

    Why should women have less freedoms than men?

    If you are confident in your ability, you wont want income redistribution and other government interventions that may diminish any advantage you may have over others. But if you are weak or lazy then you are more likely to want handouts that disadvantage those stronger than you.


    Not really. You could become disabled tomorrow and need disability benefits. Your parents may need old age benefits. Many people are on benefits because access to education which is required for higher paying jobs is next to impossible for those who are not rich.

    So, no, it's not laziness. In fact, I could surmise that the laziest people out there are those who were born with a silver spoon. Most working class and poor people are actually the most hard working people. If/when some of them have to use welfare benefits, it's because the system is skewed to privilege those who come from wealth.

    As for taxes, I am happy to pay taxes to support clean, efficient roads, firefighting services, effective emergency services, and to provide a safety net for those who are less fortunate than me.

    But the thing is, rewarding strength, fitness, success etc is important for a sociery.


    There are many things important for society. Cooperation. Social support systems. Education. Sense of belonging. Emergency and disaster relief services. Infrastructure. Etc. Etc. And they all cost money. We pay taxes because we enjoy those services. Whinging about taxes when you are using public roads and highways, and can call the cops and firefighters, and don't have to live in a country where the majority are uneducated, is just short sighted at best.

    The other link is about how the political landscape shifted significantly to the Left once women were given the vote. One reason they give is that women were afraid to be dependant on their husbands so asked the government to provide for them instead. Replacing dependance on a husband with dependance on a government is a really stupid thing to do.


    Provide proof of this. That's a pretty hefty statement that has no basis in reality. You just want to blame women for everything, it seems. Literally, everything. You want to project your issues with women onto the world. Fortunately, that's not how the world actually is.


    "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused."
  • Conservative or liberal
     Reply #117 - September 26, 2014, 02:11 PM

    I'm serious when it comes to seeking knowledge, especially when I ask the people of knowledge about real issues facing the Ummah(which I havent done for more than a month).

    https://twitter.com/SomaliWanderer/status/497717386834108416
    https://twitter.com/islamqa_en/status/499784374385000448
    https://twitter.com/Assimalhakeem/status/498123410031902721


    You should do more of that. These issues are important for Allah's Ummah to figure out.

    I do love it when they back peddle and claim there ever was only one flying horse. Cheesy

    "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused."
  • Conservative or liberal
     Reply #118 - September 26, 2014, 05:26 PM

    As much as the argument is becoming amusing,mubs in particular,can it be split from the main thread so that a room can be given for others to express their political views here(without hopefully being patronising)?

    Just to avoid the digression.

    "I'm standing here like an asshole holding my Charles Dickens"

    "No theory,No ready made system,no book that has ever been written to save the world. i cleave to no system.."-Bakunin
  • Conservative or liberal
     Reply #119 - September 26, 2014, 05:32 PM

    I'm pretty much an American Libertarian, though, strongly anti-sharia.
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