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 Topic: Jihadi Leader Says Radicals Share Obama Victory

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  • Jihadi Leader Says Radicals Share Obama Victory
     OP - November 08, 2008, 08:20 PM

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    Jihadi Leader Says Radicals Share Obama Victory

    DUBAI, United Arab Emirates — The leader of a jihadi group in Iraq argued Friday that the election of Barack Obama as president represented a victory for radical Islamic groups that had battled American forces since the invasion of Iraq.

    The statement, which experts said was part of the psychological duel with the United States, was included in a 25-minute audiotaped speech by Abu Omar al-Baghdadi, leader of the Islamic State of Iraq, an umbrella organization that claims ties to Al Qaeda. Mr. Baghdadi’s statement was posted on a password-protected Web site called Al Hesbah, used to disseminate information to Islamic radicals.

    In his address, Mr. Baghdadi also said that the election of Mr. Obama — and the rejection of the Republican candidate, Senator John McCain — was a victory for his movement, a claim that has already begun to resonate among the radical faithful. In so doing Mr. Baghdadi highlighted the challenge the new president would face as he weighed how to remove troops from Iraq without also giving movements like Al Qaeda a powerful propaganda tool to use for recruiting.

    “And the other truth that politicians are embarrassed to admit,” Mr. Baghdadi said, “is that their unjust war on the houses of Islam, with its heavy and successive losses and the continuous operations of exhaustion of your power and your economy, were the principal cause of the collapse of the economic giant.”

    The audio statement came amid a very public discussion in the Middle East over what Mr. Obama’s election meant for the future — and what it said about the past. Most of the public reaction, in newspapers and on television and radio stations, was euphoric, with many commentators marveling at the election of a black man whose father was from a Muslim family. There was a general assessment that Mr. Obama’s election was a repudiation of the course taken by President Bush and his inner circle over the past eight years.

    “Obama’s election was a message against such destruction, against unjustified wars, wars that are fought with ignorance and rashness, without knowledge of their arenas or the shape of their surroundings,” wrote Ghassan Charbel in Thursday’s issue of the Saudi-owned, pan-Arab daily newspaper Al Hayat. “It was a message against the pattern that became a burden on the U.S. and transformed the U.S. into a burden on the world.”

    Some even pointed to Mr. Obama’s election as a lesson to the rest of the region. In Kuwait, Sheik Hamed al-Ali, an Islamic scholar known for his support of jihadi fighters, posted a message titled “We Want Change!” on his Web site.

    Sheik Ali said, “It remains the obligation of our Islamic nation to benefit from this example and request change, also, and to get rid of any regime that leads with ignorance and injustice, plunders from the country, enslaves the worshipers, drives us to destruction.” The comments were then circulated on other Islamic Web forums.

    But there was also a growing chorus of caution, as commentators began to try to tamp down expectations of any change in American policies in the region. And other commentators echoed Mr. Baghdadi’s view that the election was a victory for the insurgents in Iraq, the Taliban in Afghanistan, Hamas in the Gaza Strip and Hezbollah in southern Lebanon.

    “It would be no exaggeration to say that we Arabs and Muslims were the main unseen voters who decided the outcome of these elections,” wrote Abdelbari Atwan in Wednesday’s issue of the London-based pan-Arab daily newspaper Al Quds Al Arabi.

    He wrote, “The transformation that will begin in the U.S. starting today in various political, economic, military, and social domains may well have been delayed for decades, had the new American century been crowned with victory, and had the situation in Iraq and Afghanistan taken the directions sought by the neo-cons — in other words, had there been political stability and economic prosperity, and had the citizens of the two countries targeted by the U.S.’s designs been totally subjugated by it.”

    Mr. Baghdadi also used his address to offer Mr. Obama an unlikely deal, one certain to do little to bring any resolution to the conflict between radical Islamic groups and the United States. He offered a truce of sorts in exchange for the removal of all forces from the region.

    “On behalf of my brothers in Iraq, Afghanistan, Somalia and Chechnya, I offer you what is better for you and us: you return to your previous era of neutrality, you withdraw your forces, and you return to your homes,” Mr. Baghdadi said. “You do not interfere in the affairs of our countries, directly or indirectly. We in turn will not prevent commerce with you, whether it is in oil or otherwise, but with fairness, not at a loss.”

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  • Re: Jihadi Leader Says Radicals Share Obama Victory
     Reply #1 - November 08, 2008, 08:28 PM

    Oh that sort of thing is to be expected. They'll try to score propaganda points off anything they can think of. I'm not too concerned about it.

    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: Jihadi Leader Says Radicals Share Obama Victory
     Reply #2 - November 08, 2008, 08:33 PM

    With Obama and the democrats wanting to reduce the presence in Iraq, this sort of crowing is only to be expected.  As Os said, propaganda.

    Regards,
    Gonzo

    "The spread of evil is the symptom of a vacuum. Whenever evil wins, it is only by default: by the moral failure of those who evade the fact that there can be no compromise on basic principles" - Ayn Rand
  • Re: Jihadi Leader Says Radicals Share Obama Victory
     Reply #3 - November 08, 2008, 08:41 PM

    Yes. The thing is that even the Republicans were trying to sort out an exit strategy for Iraq, so the fact that the Democrats also want an exit strategy is not in itself any big deal. Furthermore it has no bearing on Hamas or Hezbollah at all. If they think it does they are likely to be very disappointed.

    As for the Taliban, one thing Obama has mentioned is that reducing the foreign presence in Iraq would free up more resources and troops for dealing with Afghanistan. This is not exactly an advantage to the Taliban.

    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: Jihadi Leader Says Radicals Share Obama Victory
     Reply #4 - November 08, 2008, 08:42 PM

    Their military presence will remain for a long while. It's not like they're now going to scrap any of those giant bases, is it?

    Obama's election had everything to do with perceived domestic 'change' and not foreign policy as, unfortunately, that won't be much different.

    "...every imperfection in man is a bond with heaven..." - Karl Marx
  • Re: Jihadi Leader Says Radicals Share Obama Victory
     Reply #5 - November 08, 2008, 08:51 PM

    Yes. The thing is that even the Republicans were trying to sort out an exit strategy for Iraq, so the fact that the Democrats also want an exit strategy is not in itself any big deal. Furthermore it has no bearing on Hamas or Hezbollah at all. If they think it does they are likely to be very disappointed.

    As for the Taliban, one thing Obama has mentioned is that reducing the foreign presence in Iraq would free up more resources and troops for dealing with Afghanistan. This is not exactly an advantage to the Taliban.


    I think the Republicans, whilst they wanted an exit strategy, were not campaigning on a policy of reducing the troops in Iraq - as long as it takes was McCain's position (other than bomb-bomb-bomb-bomb Iran)

    It isn't an advantage to the Jihadis in Afghanistan but the group in the article were from Iraq, which would benefit from a reduced US presence, as promised by the democrats, or at least believe they will.

    Regards,
    Gonzo

    "The spread of evil is the symptom of a vacuum. Whenever evil wins, it is only by default: by the moral failure of those who evade the fact that there can be no compromise on basic principles" - Ayn Rand
  • Re: Jihadi Leader Says Radicals Share Obama Victory
     Reply #6 - November 08, 2008, 09:04 PM

    "Believe they will" is about right. The group in question is Sunni, not Shia. If anything a reduced foreign presence is likely to backfire on them.

    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: Jihadi Leader Says Radicals Share Obama Victory
     Reply #7 - November 09, 2008, 02:27 PM

    Bull. The Jihadis were aiming for a McCain victory. This is the common case of jihadis/hezbollah claiming victory even when their village is behind them in the picture split in two.

    "Ask the slave girl; she will tell you the truth.' So the Apostle called Burayra to ask her. Ali got up and gave her a violent beating first, saying, 'Tell the Apostle the truth.'"
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