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  • Re: Colin Powell endorses Obama, says, "If Obama was Muslim, So What?"
     Reply #30 - October 27, 2008, 10:42 PM

    Quote
    The numbers 88 and 14 are symbolic in the white supremacist community.

    That should be their IQ and mental age, respectively...


    I think its something to do with Hitler.  Possibly Hitler's IQ and mental age?

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  • Re: Colin Powell endorses Obama, says, "If Obama was Muslim, So What?"
     Reply #31 - October 27, 2008, 10:48 PM

    I think its something to do with Hitler.  Possibly Hitler's IQ and mental age?

    Number of brain cells, and number of total body orifices?

    Islam: where idiots meet terrorists.
  • Re: Colin Powell endorses Obama, says, "If Obama was Muslim, So What?"
     Reply #32 - October 28, 2008, 02:04 AM

    The problem is he will make us eat the same crap we were eating from bush.


    Inherits agenda; Continues same agenda. It's not as if they care about Islamisation, terrorism, or anything else, so long as it works for them.


    For once I agree. I remember debating with Richard Seymour over at Lenin's Tomb about this and how even the Socialist Worker's Party and their ilk actually have the same positions on Islam as George W.Bush and Tony Blair. They freaked out and never gave me a comprehensive nor a coherent reply. Instead they flew into tantrums and resorted to insults. Kinda sorta like someone most of us are familiar with on these boards. Roll Eyes
  • Re: Colin Powell endorses Obama, says, "If Obama was Muslim, So What?"
     Reply #33 - October 28, 2008, 03:51 AM

    Quote from: Colin Powell
    "I'm also troubled by, not what Senator McCain says, but what members of The (Republican) Party say, that it is permitted to be said, such things as, "Well you know that Mr. Obama is a Muslim". Well the correct answer is he is not a Muslim, he's a Christian, he's always been a Christian.

     

    So Colin Powell is "troubled" that such things being said like "Obama is a Muslim"? How about Colin being "troubled" by what such groups as the Islamic Thinkers Society and CAIR say what they say? And what with this talk of being "permitted"? Is not free speech halal enough for us unbelievers? From what I can remember free speech is a fundamental right in the USA and enshrined in the American Constitution. Would he like to adopt the consitution of India that forbids most open and critical public debate about what Islam is and what it's followers believe in? He also forgot that there is still that option of informing the uninformed that Obama is not a Muslim. How about it? He has freedom of speech also.

    Oh . . . . I'm about give my opinion about Obama "always" being a "Christian". How the hell can somebody have "always" been a Christian? You might get away with that over at dailykos with the ignorant quasi-socialists there but isn't that a bit like how some Muslims claim that they have "always" been Muslim? Do you have any idea about how Christian proselytizing works and that not many Christians who know what they stand for would ever claim to have "always been Christian"? This is an ignorant statement on your part but I won't expect you to own up to it since you have a track record of not owning up to other things. And let's not forget about that so-called Reverend Wright. Maybe you can tell us that he's "always been a Christian" too.

    Quote from: Colin Powell
    But the really right answer is "What if he is?


    No. That's prevarication assuming that Muslims and their ideology is just something to shrug one's shoulders about.

    Quote from: Colin Powell
    Is there something wrong with being a Muslim in this country? The answer is no.


    The answer is yes. All one has to do is look at how Muslims (and their lobby organizations) behave in countries where their presence encroaches upon the rights of non-Muslims. They have attained some success in the USA by establishing Muslim-majority neighborhoods. They have infiltrated and co-opted American counterculture and places of higher education and have done this successfully.

    What hasn't been fully divulged yet is the amount of crimes against women and children that Muslims have committed in the USA in the past three decades as well as the intimidation tactics they have orchestrated on many campuses. Much of US crime statistics doesn't take that into account and if it was publicized the usual cries of "hate" and whatnot would spill forth from the mouths of Islamic apologists.

    Quote from: Colin Powell
    That's not America.


    Oh yes it is. People have said things that are inaccurate and downright slanderous in America since it's inception and that doesn't make America  an exception in that regard. Not by a long shot.

    Quote from: Colin Powell
    Is there something wrong with some seven year old Muslim American kid believing that he or she can be president?


    There is a lot wrong with some seven year old Muslim kid thinking that he can become president of the USA. First of all someone or somebody's have been selling him porkies and misinforming him about what Islam is really about. Second of all this seven year old kid is way too young to understand the realities of American society much less the rest of the world's non-Muslim populations. Many of whom have suffered and continue to suffer under Islamic domination.

    Quote from: Colin Powell
    Yet I have heard senior members of my own party drop the suggestion, "He's a Muslim and he might be assosciated with terrorists." This is not the way we should be doing it in America.


    Wrong Colin. In the USA people have freedom of speech and that includes the right to freely express one's own opinions. No matter how daft they may be. Whether you (or anybody else) likes it or not this is how democracy is. It's messy. It brings out the full range of emotions in people and America (as well as other democracies) no matter how limited they are "doing it" the way it should be done and yes, other folks do have the very same right to challenge such sentiments so make use of it and don't tell us how things "should or should not be done".

    Quote from: Colin Powell
    I feel strongly about this particular point because of a picture I saw in a magazine. It was a photo essay about troops who were serving in Iraq and Afghanistan. And one picture at the tail end of this photo essay was of a mother in Arlington Cemetery, and she had her head on the headstone of her son's grave. And as the picture focused in, you could see the writing on the headstone, and it gave his awards, purple heart, bronze star, showed that he died in Iraq, gave his date of birth, date of death, he was twenty years old, and at the very top of the headstrone, it didn't have a Christian Cross, it didn't have a Star of David, it had a Crescent and a Star of the Islamic faith, and his name was Kareem Rashad Sultan Khan, and he was an American, he was born in New Jersey, he was fourteen years old at the time of 9/11, and he waited until he could go serve his country and he gave his life.


    And by fighting for a infidel country he has violated the dictates of Islam. He was probably like that seven year old kid you mentioned earlier and he's not alone. I know an ex-Muslim guy who once believed that he could do the same thing and still remain Muslim. Then he realized that he wasn't a Muslim once he got educated about what Islam is about and what it requires. For all we know Kareem Rashad Sultan Khan was headed in the same direction.

    Ask this man what he thinks of Muslims fighting for the kufar.


    Quote from: Colin Powell
    ]Now we have got to stop polarizing ourselves in this way. And John McCain is non-discrimanatory as anyone I know, but I am troubled about the fact that within The (Republican) Party we have these kinds of expressions."


    If anyone examines your political career, knows a thing or two about American politics and the Republican Party and then reads this they know full well that you are lying and faking your being "troubled". Colin, there's a lot of things that have happened to the Republican Party that you should have been "troubled" about since you were a seven year old kid but if you had said anything about how Christian fundamentalists had burrowed into the party in the 1980's you would have started a bit of "polarizing" yourself and we can't have that now can we? Cheesy

    Quote from: awais. x
    Ameen Colin Powell.


    Actually, it should be Ahem Colin Powell
  • Re: Colin Powell endorses Obama, says, "If Obama was Muslim, So What?"
     Reply #34 - October 31, 2008, 08:32 AM

    Quote from: Colin Powell

    There is a lot wrong with some seven year old Muslim kid thinking that he can become president of the USA. First of all someone or somebody's have been selling him porkies and misinforming him about what Islam is really about. Second of all this seven year old kid is way too young to understand the realities of American society much less the rest of the world's non-Muslim populations. Many of whom have suffered and continue to suffer under Islamic domination.



    Its interesting you say that because on another board you said the following "I just found out that this guy was born on exactly the same day as I was. He claims that he didn't know about William Ayer's background with the excuse that "I was only eight years old at the time". Well, guess what? I knew exactly who William Ayers and the Weather Underground was at that time. Maybe I was a prodigy but any child with a high level of reading comprehension can read issue after issue of Reader's Digest, Time and Newsweek and have found out who Ayers and the Weather Underground were at that time and I know I'm not alone. So as one can see I'm not impressed at all hearing this sorry excuse from Obama."

    So a seven year old is way to young to understand the realities of american society but an 8-year should be expected to know about William Ayers and the Weather Underground?




    "By the One in Whose Hand my soul is, were you not to commit sins, Allah would replace you with a people who would commit sins and then seek forgiveness from Allah; and Allah would forgive them." [Saheeh Muslim]

    "Wherever you are, death will find you, Even in the looming tower."
    - Quran 4:78
  • Re: Colin Powell endorses Obama, says, "If Obama was Muslim, So What?"
     Reply #35 - October 31, 2008, 08:39 AM

    A seven year old will have a limited understanding of any society. Hearing about someone in the news does not equate to a thorough understanding of the society they come from.

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  • Re: Colin Powell endorses Obama, says, "If Obama was Muslim, So What?"
     Reply #36 - October 31, 2008, 08:44 AM

    A seven year old will have a limited understanding of any society. Hearing about someone in the news does not equate to a thorough understanding of the society they come from.


    of course, whats your point?


    "By the One in Whose Hand my soul is, were you not to commit sins, Allah would replace you with a people who would commit sins and then seek forgiveness from Allah; and Allah would forgive them." [Saheeh Muslim]

    "Wherever you are, death will find you, Even in the looming tower."
    - Quran 4:78
  • Re: Colin Powell endorses Obama, says, "If Obama was Muslim, So What?"
     Reply #37 - October 31, 2008, 08:47 AM

    My point is that in this case you appear not to have one. Your rhetorical question implied that a child who has read about a famous figure should automatically have a thorough understanding of society. Since this isn't the case why did you mention it?

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  • Re: Colin Powell endorses Obama, says, "If Obama was Muslim, So What?"
     Reply #38 - October 31, 2008, 08:56 AM

    My point is that in this case you appear not to have one. Your rhetorical question implied that a child who has read about a famous figure should automatically have a thorough understanding of society. Since this isn't the case why did you mention it?


    Im pointing out Ansar's contradictions -

    ANSAR SAID THIS ON ANOTHER BOARD ABOUT 8 YEAR OLDS :  just found out that this guy was born on exactly the same day as I was. He claims that he didn't know about William Ayer's background with the excuse that "I was only eight years old at the time". Well, guess what? I knew exactly who William Ayers and the Weather Underground was at that time. Maybe I was a prodigy but any child with a high level of reading comprehension can read issue after issue of Reader's Digest, Time and Newsweek and have found out who Ayers and the Weather Underground were at that time and I know I'm not alone. So as one can see I'm not impressed at all hearing this sorry excuse from Obama."


    Which means Ansar expects an 8-year to have a pretty good understanding of american society and politics, correct?

    THEN ANSAR SAYS THIS: "Second of all this seven year old kid is way too young to understand the realities of American society much less the rest of the world's non-Muslim population"


    Which means that Ansar does not expect a seven year old to have a pretty good understanding of american society and politics, correct?





    "By the One in Whose Hand my soul is, were you not to commit sins, Allah would replace you with a people who would commit sins and then seek forgiveness from Allah; and Allah would forgive them." [Saheeh Muslim]

    "Wherever you are, death will find you, Even in the looming tower."
    - Quran 4:78
  • Re: Colin Powell endorses Obama, says, "If Obama was Muslim, So What?"
     Reply #39 - October 31, 2008, 09:04 AM

    Not necessarily. You're still trying to equate having heard of a notorious figure with having a thorough and mature understanding of American society and politics. The former wouldn't surprise me at all if we're talking about a reasonably intelligent kid, but the latter would.

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  • Re: Colin Powell endorses Obama, says, "If Obama was Muslim, So What?"
     Reply #40 - October 31, 2008, 09:14 AM

    Not necessarily. You're still trying to equate having heard of a notorious figure with having a thorough and mature understanding of American society and politics. The former wouldn't surprise me at all if we're talking about a reasonably intelligent kid, but the latter would.



    No Im saying its highly unlikely for either the average 7 or 8 year old to have a pretty good understanding of american society. Ansar tells us that the average 8 year old is reading time magazine and should know who Ayers is (which denotes a pretty good understanding of american politics for an 8 year old wouldnt you say?) but then turns around and tells us that a seven year old is way too young to understand american politics.

    Whats the problem here Osmanthus?

    "By the One in Whose Hand my soul is, were you not to commit sins, Allah would replace you with a people who would commit sins and then seek forgiveness from Allah; and Allah would forgive them." [Saheeh Muslim]

    "Wherever you are, death will find you, Even in the looming tower."
    - Quran 4:78
  • Re: Colin Powell endorses Obama, says, "If Obama was Muslim, So What?"
     Reply #41 - October 31, 2008, 09:22 AM

    Is Ayers notorious or is he not?

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  • Re: Colin Powell endorses Obama, says, "If Obama was Muslim, So What?"
     Reply #42 - October 31, 2008, 09:27 AM

    All Ansar said is that at that age he had found out who Ayers was. He did not claim he had an exhaustive understanding of US society and politics. You are attacking something that he never claimed.

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  • Re: Colin Powell endorses Obama, says, "If Obama was Muslim, So What?"
     Reply #43 - October 31, 2008, 09:34 AM

    All Ansar said is that at that age he had found out who Ayers was. He did not claim he had an exhaustive understanding of US society and politics. You are attacking something that he never claimed.


    Id say any kid who reads "issue after issue of Reader's Digest, Time and Newsweek"has a pretty good understanding  of american politics

    And yes most 8 year old have no idea who ayers or the weather underground are, I dont know why I have to explain this to you as Im almost positive you're arguing for the sake of arguing.

    "By the One in Whose Hand my soul is, were you not to commit sins, Allah would replace you with a people who would commit sins and then seek forgiveness from Allah; and Allah would forgive them." [Saheeh Muslim]

    "Wherever you are, death will find you, Even in the looming tower."
    - Quran 4:78
  • Re: Colin Powell endorses Obama, says, "If Obama was Muslim, So What?"
     Reply #44 - October 31, 2008, 09:37 AM

    Is Ayers notorious or is he not?


    Not enough for 8 year olds to know about him - most 8 year olds cant even name the vice president.

    Are you for real Osmanthus? are you really telling me you expect the average 8 year old to know about ayers and the weather underground?

    "By the One in Whose Hand my soul is, were you not to commit sins, Allah would replace you with a people who would commit sins and then seek forgiveness from Allah; and Allah would forgive them." [Saheeh Muslim]

    "Wherever you are, death will find you, Even in the looming tower."
    - Quran 4:78
  • Re: Colin Powell endorses Obama, says, "If Obama was Muslim, So What?"
     Reply #45 - October 31, 2008, 09:51 AM

    Who said anything about the "average" eight year old? The "average" eight year old will only grow up to have an IQ of 100. Most of them probably hardly ever read anything of substance. You still aren't getting it, are you? Just because some kid reads a bit and has heard of some dodgey characters it doesn't follow that said kid has a thorough understanding of his society. You're the only person here who claims it does follow. Why is this?

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  • Re: Colin Powell endorses Obama, says, "If Obama was Muslim, So What?"
     Reply #46 - October 31, 2008, 10:52 AM

    Is Ayers notorious or is he not?


    Not enough for 8 year olds to know about him - most 8 year olds cant even name the vice president.

    Are you for real Osmanthus? are you really telling me you expect the average 8 year old to know about ayers and the weather underground?



    If Ayers was notorious at the time Ansar was 8, the average 8 year old could well have heard of him.  I'd heard of Myra Hindley by the time I was 8, didn't mean I had a clue how society and politics worked.

    Ansar seems to forget though that Obama didn't spend all his childhood in the US.  He could have easily missed it.

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  • Re: Colin Powell endorses Obama, says, "If Obama was Muslim, So What?"
     Reply #47 - October 31, 2008, 09:30 PM

    Well yes that is a relevant point.

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  • Re: Colin Powell endorses Obama, says, "If Obama was Muslim, So What?"
     Reply #48 - November 01, 2008, 12:31 AM

    Ansar seems to forget though that Obama didn't spend all his childhood in the US.  He could have easily missed it.


    I know full well the story of his childhood (it's been told and re-told all over the media) and I didn't spend all my childhood in the US either.  Cheesy
  • Re: Colin Powell endorses Obama, says, "If Obama was Muslim, So What?"
     Reply #49 - November 01, 2008, 02:02 AM

    Ansar seems to forget though that Obama didn't spend all his childhood in the US.  He could have easily missed it.


    I know full well the story of his childhood (it's been told and re-told all over the media) and I didn't spend all my childhood in the US either.  Cheesy


    Great.  But we have a second hand story of you posting about 8 yr olds knowing all about the Weather Men and Bill Ayres.   Children that young know about people like that, if they are notorious enough to be spoken and written about all around them.

    Obama was where, when the Weather Men were notorious?  Where's the evidence that the 8 yr old Obama should have known about them?

    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Re: Colin Powell endorses Obama, says, "If Obama was Muslim, So What?"
     Reply #50 - November 01, 2008, 06:50 AM

    Ansar seems to forget though that Obama didn't spend all his childhood in the US.  He could have easily missed it.


    I know full well the story of his childhood (it's been told and re-told all over the media) and I didn't spend all my childhood in the US either.  Cheesy


    Great.  But we have a second hand story of you posting about 8 yr olds knowing all about the Weather Men and Bill Ayres.   Children that young know about people like that, if they are notorious enough to be spoken and written about all around them.

    Obama was where, when the Weather Men were notorious?  Where's the evidence that the 8 yr old Obama should have known about them?


    Did I say I knew ALL about the Weathermen? No. Actually, nobody really knows ALL about the Weathermen. They kept a lot of secrets and a lot is still unknown about them. That's how clandestine organizations work and I know you know that much.  Maybe you can tell me that there weren't kids growing up in Northern Ireland or in the republic itself who didn't know who Bernadette Devlin was but I know plenty who did. Maybe you can tell me about Salvadoreans in the Seventies who didn't know who Caetano Carpio was and I can show you some who definitely did. Tell me that kids growing up in South Africa in the Sixties and Seventies were too young to have ever known nor understood the importance of Nelson Mandela, Walter Sisulu, etc. and I can definitely show you some who definitely did. Tell me that a kid growing up in Egypt in the Eighties didn't know who Ayman al-Zawahiri and rest assured that there are some who knew exactly who he and what he was about. Tell me that a kid growing up in Bogota or Medellin wouldn't know about FARC and the rest of those paramilitary scum and what they are about and I can show you loads of them. Tell me about a kid growing up in Nazi-occupied Europe who didn't understand who those guys in black were about and I can show you many who did. Tell me that a kid living in a neighborhood overflowing with draft dodgers in the Sixties didn't know who and what the Weather Underground did and stood for and I can show you one who did and while I'm at it I can tell you how I knew about the FLQ as they set off explosions and kidnapped a government minister (later murdering him) less than half a mile away and I knew what they were about and what they did and got away with. Just keep telling me that kids are simply looking at the world without any capacity for deep insight or the ability to connect dots at very early ages or to even experience epiphanies and rest assured that they live and breath amongst and us always have throughout the ages.

    If you can find a journal article in the psychological literature that can absolutely refute this then please tell me. Then I can critique the methodology of their findings and tell you where they fall short and I bet that it would be due to an over-reliance on quantitative measures in a controlled setting that completely omits qualitative factors that cannot be verified in a controlled setting (i.e, the real world). In short, a reductionist series of oversights cobbled together that looks fine in print but has plenty of social workers, therapists and professionals in psychology and education viewing it with great doubt.
  • Re: Colin Powell endorses Obama, says, "If Obama was Muslim, So What?"
     Reply #51 - November 01, 2008, 07:11 AM

    Sorry, your post was too long and boring to read.  What was that about Bernadette Devlin, and where exactly was Obama when he was 8 years old?

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  • Re: Colin Powell endorses Obama, says, "If Obama was Muslim, So What?"
     Reply #52 - November 01, 2008, 06:40 PM

    Ansar seems to forget though that Obama didn't spend all his childhood in the US.  He could have easily missed it.


    I know full well the story of his childhood (it's been told and re-told all over the media) and I didn't spend all my childhood in the US either.  Cheesy


    Great.  But we have a second hand story of you posting about 8 yr olds knowing all about the Weather Men and Bill Ayres.   Children that young know about people like that, if they are notorious enough to be spoken and written about all around them.

    Obama was where, when the Weather Men were notorious?  Where's the evidence that the 8 yr old Obama should have known about them?


    Did I say I knew ALL about the Weathermen? No. Actually, nobody really knows ALL about the Weathermen. They kept a lot of secrets and a lot is still unknown about them. That's how clandestine organizations work and I know you know that much.  Maybe you can tell me that there weren't kids growing up in Northern Ireland or in the republic itself who didn't know who Bernadette Devlin was but I know plenty who did. Maybe you can tell me about Salvadoreans in the Seventies who didn't know who Caetano Carpio was and I can show you some who definitely did. Tell me that kids growing up in South Africa in the Sixties and Seventies were too young to have ever known nor understood the importance of Nelson Mandela, Walter Sisulu, etc. and I can definitely show you some who definitely did. Tell me that a kid growing up in Egypt in the Eighties didn't know who Ayman al-Zawahiri and rest assured that there are some who knew exactly who he and what he was about. Tell me that a kid growing up in Bogota or Medellin wouldn't know about FARC and the rest of those paramilitary scum and what they are about and I can show you loads of them. Tell me about a kid growing up in Nazi-occupied Europe who didn't understand who those guys in black were about and I can show you many who did. Tell me that a kid living in a neighborhood overflowing with draft dodgers in the Sixties didn't know who and what the Weather Underground did and stood for and I can show you one who did and while I'm at it I can tell you how I knew about the FLQ as they set off explosions and kidnapped a government minister (later murdering him) less than half a mile away and I knew what they were about and what they did and got away with. Just keep telling me that kids are simply looking at the world without any capacity for deep insight or the ability to connect dots at very early ages or to even experience epiphanies and rest assured that they live and breath amongst and us always have throughout the ages.

    If you can find a journal article in the psychological literature that can absolutely refute this then please tell me. Then I can critique the methodology of their findings and tell you where they fall short and I bet that it would be due to an over-reliance on quantitative measures in a controlled setting that completely omits qualitative factors that cannot be verified in a controlled setting (i.e, the real world). In short, a reductionist series of oversights cobbled together that looks fine in print but has plenty of social workers, therapists and professionals in psychology and education viewing it with great doubt.
    [/quoteTry one sentence in plain English. you can do it.


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  • Re: Colin Powell endorses Obama, says, "If Obama was Muslim, So What?"
     Reply #53 - November 01, 2008, 09:05 PM

    Sojourner: try editing your quote tags. You can do it. grin12

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