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 Topic: Shaneequa vs Cheetah: nice clean comments thread.

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  • Re: Shaneequa vs Cheetah: nice clean comments thread.
     Reply #30 - September 30, 2008, 05:01 AM
    Quote from: Shaneequa on September 30, 2008, 03:30 AM
    Quote from: Cheetah on September 28, 2008, 03:48 AM
    That's a very weak defense, Shaneequa.  If someone who believes in the Bible as divinely inspired can give three or four different, equally plausible, explanations for that one contradiction it somewhat suggests that the Bible is just another book that we can take multiple interpretations of.  Just like Moby Dick, Macbeth, or the Gospel of the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

    How plausible are Moby Dick, Macbeth, or the Gospel of the Flying Spaghetti Monster?

    Moby Dick describes an albino whale (observed in nature several times) with a good memory (intelligent critters, whales) who gets pissed when people chuck spears at him (perfectly sensible IMHO). I'd say that generally Moby Dick is quite plausible.

    Apart from the witches Macbeth is basically a story of dynastic intrigue and murder. Commonplace stuff in history.

    I'm uncertain about the existence of the Flying Spaghetti Monster, but it's certainly no less plausible than a literal Genesis. grin12

     
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    You want me to take comfort in the idea that God deliberately stood back and allowed people to be raped, and then God stepped in, after allowing all these rapes,  and then  tore them to pieces as punishment?  What kind of a God is that?

    I seriously don't know how to answer that.

    I'll answer it for you. Cthulu.


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    First, He is the author of life. We cannot say that about any human being...so if
    He were to choose to zap us all today, we could have no complaint. It is by His mercy that He holds back His terrible and righteous wrath. Our every breath is a sign of his mercy, as we are not guaranteed our next breath.

    This is good. So he's a murdering psycho who is desperately trying to be nice then. But hang on, if his wrath is righteous why the fuck is he holding it back? Surely holding back righteous wrath would be an unrighteous act. Can't have god being unrighteous can we?


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    And if you were called on to do those things in the name of your religion?  Would you do them?

    Nope. For one thing, the bible is closed. Everything we need to know is in the bible, and that means we will not receive new revelations.

    Whoosh!

    That was the sound of a low-flying point going over Shan's head. Also if everything we need to know is in the bible what are other books for? Just wondering.
    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: Shaneequa vs Cheetah: nice clean comments thread.
     Reply #31 - September 30, 2008, 06:50 AM
    Nothing more to add to that Os, except, seeing as Goldie thinks S is doing well, never ask him/her for racing tips. Afro



    Shaneequa may be as nice as pie, but the overriding impression you get, especially up against the sharp as a pin Cheetah, is that she lacks brain cells, and that's being kind. Maybe it has nothing to do with rehab brainwashing at all, no one forced her to find that exruciatingly unfunny TV show, funny.

    Anyone know the story of how yet another Christian loony ended up on CEMB?
    Ha Ha.
  • Re: Shaneequa vs Cheetah: nice clean comments thread.
     Reply #32 - September 30, 2008, 08:13 AM
    I don't get the impression that she lacks brain cells. I get the impression she lacks confidence. I think her craving for certainty, which is the basis of her biblical literalism, stems from that.
    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: Shaneequa vs Cheetah: nice clean comments thread.
     Reply #33 - September 30, 2008, 08:25 AM
    Quote from: osmanthus on September 30, 2008, 08:13 AM
    I don't get the impression that she lacks brain cells. I get the impression she lacks confidence. I think her craving for certainty, which is the basis of her biblical literalism, stems from that.



    It could be the love of atrocious, cheesy comedy that led me to that assumption.
    Ha Ha.
  • Re: Shaneequa vs Cheetah: nice clean comments thread.
     Reply #34 - September 30, 2008, 08:32 AM
    Yes, but don't forget she's from the US. It's a national affliction.
    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: Shaneequa vs Cheetah: nice clean comments thread.
     Reply #35 - September 30, 2008, 08:35 AM
    Quote from: osmanthus on September 30, 2008, 08:32 AM
    Yes, but don't forget she's from the US. It's a national affliction.


    That true. Wink
    Ha Ha.
  • Re: Shaneequa vs Cheetah: nice clean comments thread.
     Reply #36 - October 01, 2008, 12:49 AM
    Quote from: osmanthus on September 28, 2008, 09:24 AM
    Quote from: Goldie on September 28, 2008, 04:13 AM
    Shaneequa is making a strong come back.  She has done well in her last post in her defense of her scripture. Smiley

    Say what? Are we reading the same thread? Huh?

    Tell me, precisely which points of Shan's do you think constitute a strong comeback?


    She made a confident comeback.  It doesn't mean that any of her individual points were strong.  She is making a strong case though, and she is making it very well.  I salute her.

    Cheetah?  I don't like her, and I don't like her last post.  She has challenged head on what I would have asked her to challenge first, and she has done it formidably, and quite frighteningly. 

    I do not want ever to debate her on anything.  She is very polite, but she is a deceptively nice debator.  In fairness, she is up against a fairly shaky, unconfident opponent.

    If she were up against me it would be a different story, and it would be one that would expose Cheetah's inherent nastiness. 

    But as I said, I don't want to debate her on anything.  She is deceptive, and frightening.  I prefer people who are straight up.
  • Re: Shaneequa vs Cheetah: nice clean comments thread.
     Reply #37 - October 01, 2008, 02:09 AM
    Goldie, she is frightening because you prefer (and are used to) adults around you making idiots of themselves and swearing at their opponent. You find those idiots easy to debate against because you can passively sit back and let them dig their holes.

    You prefer to debate with goons because goons are easy to bury. And you are right, goons *are* easy to bury. sorry that Cheetah is not the goon you wish her to be.
    "Ask the slave girl; she will tell you the truth.' So the Apostle called Burayra to ask her. Ali got up and gave her a violent beating first, saying, 'Tell the Apostle the truth.'"
  • Re: Shaneequa vs Cheetah: nice clean comments thread.
     Reply #38 - October 01, 2008, 07:08 AM
    Quote from: Goldie on October 01, 2008, 12:49 AM
    If she were up against me it would be a different story, and it would be one that would expose Cheetah's inherent nastiness. 



    You're scared of her.  There is no inherent nastiness, it may seem that way, but only because she's arguing against a religious nutter, and it can look a bit cruel. Like taking the piss out of the mentally ill.

    Based on what you say, you would lose, even to a dimwit like <snip> - whatever your belief is.


    Ha Ha.
  • Re: Shaneequa vs Cheetah: nice clean comments thread.
     Reply #39 - October 01, 2008, 09:31 AM
    Quote from: Goldie on October 01, 2008, 12:49 AM
    Quote from: osmanthus on September 28, 2008, 09:24 AM
    Quote from: Goldie on September 28, 2008, 04:13 AM
    Shaneequa is making a strong come back.  She has done well in her last post in her defense of her scripture. Smiley

    Say what? Are we reading the same thread? Huh?

    Tell me, precisely which points of Shan's do you think constitute a strong comeback?

    She made a confident comeback.  It doesn't mean that any of her individual points were strong.  She is making a strong case though, and she is making it very well.  I salute her.

     Goldie, if her individual points aren't strong then how, pray tell, is she making a strong comeback? If her individual points are either weak or at best mediocre (which is something I would agree with were you to suggest it) then it seems to me that her comeback, such as it is, must perforce also be either weak or at best mediocre.


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    Cheetah?  I don't like her, and I don't like her last post.  She has challenged head on what I would have asked her to challenge first, and she has done it formidably, and quite frighteningly.

    She is a formidable opponent if you wish to base your case against her on vacillation and baseless assertions. If you don't like her because of that then IMO this says more about you than it says about Cheetah. Are people who put you on the spot and make you think really all that terrifying?


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    If she were up against me it would be a different story, and it would be one that would expose Cheetah's inherent nastiness. 

    But as I said, I don't want to debate her on anything.  She is deceptive, and frightening.  I prefer people who are straight up.

    Cheetah is very fond of Shan. We all are (or at least most of us are). She's not being at all nasty but she is making her points well. You seem unable to distinguish between this and pure nastiness. What you seem to be saying is that you'd only feel comfortable debating your faith if your opponent promised to debate poorly.
    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: Shaneequa vs Cheetah: nice clean comments thread.
     Reply #40 - October 01, 2008, 05:21 PM
    Quote from: Osmanthus
    Goldie, if her individual points aren't strong then how, pray tell, is she making a strong comeback? If her individual points are either weak or at best mediocre (which is something I would agree with were you to suggest it) then it seems to me that her comeback, such as it is, must perforce also be either weak or at best mediocre.


    Yes, that's true.  Her points were mediocre but she made them confidently.  She would make a better preacher than a debater, I think.  She would need to be preaching to the converted.

    And I take back what I said about Cheetah being nasty.  I got the wrong idea, because her last post just took Shaneequa's world view to pieces, and then cheerfully wished her a Happy Birthday.  Looking at their exchange in the Lounge though, it seems the birthday wishes were genuine.  If the two girls get on then it doesn't look nasty.

    Quote from: Jack Torrance
    You're scared of her.


    Yes.

  • Re: Shaneequa vs Cheetah: nice clean comments thread.
     Reply #41 - October 01, 2008, 08:32 PM
    Quote from: osmanthus on September 30, 2008, 08:32 AM
    Yes, but don't forget she's from the US. It's a national affliction.

    Grievously true.
    Mohammed ordered Kinana b. al Rabi' to be gruesomely tortured and then decapitated.  The 'prophet' then 'married' Kinana's wife, Safiyya.  He had her husband, her father and her people killed.  

    Sirat Rasul Allah by Ibn Ishaq 

    Mohammed was a rapist and a murderer.
  • Re: Shaneequa vs Cheetah: nice clean comments thread.
     Reply #42 - October 01, 2008, 09:06 PM
    Quote from: osmanthus on September 30, 2008, 08:32 AM
    Yes, but don't forget she's from the US. It's a national affliction.


    I resemble that!  Cat fight
    I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I remain.
  • Re: Shaneequa vs Cheetah: nice clean comments thread.
     Reply #43 - October 01, 2008, 09:29 PM
    Quote from: Biaxident on October 01, 2008, 09:06 PM
    Quote from: osmanthus on September 30, 2008, 08:32 AM
    Yes, but don't forget she's from the US. It's a national affliction.


    I resemble that!  Cat fight

    Unfortunately, I once resembled that too.   001_tongue
    Mohammed ordered Kinana b. al Rabi' to be gruesomely tortured and then decapitated.  The 'prophet' then 'married' Kinana's wife, Safiyya.  He had her husband, her father and her people killed.  

    Sirat Rasul Allah by Ibn Ishaq 

    Mohammed was a rapist and a murderer.
  • Re: Shaneequa vs Cheetah: nice clean comments thread.
     Reply #44 - October 01, 2008, 10:28 PM
     grin12 *fires up the canned laughter*  parrot
    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: Shaneequa vs Cheetah: nice clean comments thread.
     Reply #45 - October 02, 2008, 12:06 AM
    Quote from: osmanthus on October 01, 2008, 10:28 PM
    grin12 *fires up the canned laughter*  parrot

    Agreed.  That was a dorky response I gave Biax.   bunny 


    Cheetah gave a great and concise breakdown of biblical inconsistencies, faults with the flood, and the reality of evolution vs creationism.   Nice job.
    Mohammed ordered Kinana b. al Rabi' to be gruesomely tortured and then decapitated.  The 'prophet' then 'married' Kinana's wife, Safiyya.  He had her husband, her father and her people killed.  

    Sirat Rasul Allah by Ibn Ishaq 

    Mohammed was a rapist and a murderer.
  • Re: Shaneequa vs Cheetah: nice clean comments thread.
     Reply #46 - October 02, 2008, 09:58 PM
    I've just been checking out TalkRats and the flogging their primary resident YEC has been getting lately.
    This post is an absolute gem:

    Quote from: Oolon Colluphid
    Seems to me that we're talking about the quantum particle known as a Hawkins creton. From the Uncertainty Principle, we know that we can measure its velocity away from reality, or its position relative to it, but never both at the same time. The problem is that we are always aware of its velocity away from reality (or at least that it will always be moving in that direction, no matter how we try to manipulate it experimentally), and so cannot even in principle ever pin it down to a particular position.

    If we could, the Hawkins creton's wave function would collapse, probably resulting in a black hole and his world would end.

    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: Shaneequa vs Cheetah: nice clean comments thread.
     Reply #47 - October 09, 2008, 01:27 PM
    Hmmmm, our valiant crusader seems to have left the battlefield. Pity. Things were getting interesting.
    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: Shaneequa vs Cheetah: nice clean comments thread.
     Reply #48 - October 09, 2008, 02:51 PM
    Quote from: osmanthus on October 09, 2008, 01:27 PM
    Hmmmm, our valiant crusader seems to have left the battlefield. Pity. Things were getting interesting.



    Yes, surprising, and she was wiining too Cheesy
    Ha Ha.
  • Re: Shaneequa vs Cheetah: nice clean comments thread.
     Reply #49 - October 13, 2008, 09:28 PM
    Cognitive dissonance will do that to ya. I don't envy poor old Shan.
    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: Shaneequa vs Cheetah: nice clean comments thread.
     Reply #50 - October 14, 2008, 12:01 AM
    Is the debate over?  That's a bit disappointing, it was hotting up with Cheetah's last post. She finally challenged the whole reality of the flood instead of just picking faults with Bible stories of it.

  • Re: Shaneequa vs Cheetah: nice clean comments thread.
     Reply #51 - October 14, 2008, 07:33 AM
    Quote from: Goldie on October 14, 2008, 12:01 AM
    Is the debate over?  That's a bit disappointing, it was hotting up with Cheetah's last post. She finally challenged the whole reality of the flood instead of just picking faults with Bible stories of it.






    That's probably one of the reasons Shan has run away, he world has collapsed. She's sold her scriptures and bibles and is using the money to purchase illegal drugs, that's the trouble with these rock and a hard place types.
    Ha Ha.
  • Re: Shaneequa vs Cheetah: nice clean comments thread.
     Reply #52 - October 14, 2008, 07:39 AM
    Well I hope not. I'd prefer it if the poor girl was merrily singing Kumbayah around the camp fire (as long as I'm not within earshot).
    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: Shaneequa vs Cheetah: nice clean comments thread.
     Reply #53 - October 14, 2008, 07:44 AM
    Quote from: osmanthus on October 14, 2008, 07:39 AM
    Well I hope not. I'd prefer it if the poor girl was merrily singing Kumbayah around the camp fire (as long as I'm not within earshot).



    I'd rather she was out mugging old folk, the 'war' on drugs is far more fun than the war on religion.
    Ha Ha.
  • Re: Shaneequa vs Cheetah: nice clean comments thread.
     Reply #54 - October 14, 2008, 07:53 AM
    Bit rough on the old folk though.  Tongue
    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: Shaneequa vs Cheetah: nice clean comments thread.
     Reply #55 - October 14, 2008, 08:14 AM
    Quote from: osmanthus on October 14, 2008, 07:53 AM
    Bit rough on the old folk though.  Tongue



    Ah, they haven't got long anyway Wink
    Ha Ha.
  • Re: Shaneequa vs Cheetah: nice clean comments thread.
     Reply #56 - October 16, 2008, 08:09 AM
    Quote from: Shaneeqa
    It is the word of God, and I know it will work on you as long as the Holy Spirit wills it to work on you.

    Now the hard part:

    Would you consider yourself to be a good person?


    How can it be the word of God when it contains heaps of stuff which is blatantly false?

    Now for the hard part:

    Is Shan ever going to face this uncomfortable fact, or will she continue to blither about the BC/AD calendar?
    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: Shaneequa vs Cheetah: nice clean comments thread.
     Reply #57 - October 16, 2008, 04:38 PM
    Quote from: osmanthus on October 16, 2008, 08:09 AM
    Quote from: Shaneeqa
    It is the word of God, and I know it will work on you as long as the Holy Spirit wills it to work on you.

    Now the hard part:

    Would you consider yourself to be a good person?


    How can it be the word of God when it contains heaps of stuff which is blatantly false?

    Now for the hard part:

    Is Shan ever going to face this uncomfortable fact, or will she continue to blither about the BC/AD calendar?



    Let's just say the speaking tour has been cancelled Smiley
    Ha Ha.
  • Re: Shaneequa vs Cheetah: nice clean comments thread.
     Reply #58 - October 16, 2008, 05:16 PM
    Given that she clearly came with completely different expectation that Cheetah, I'm surprised Shan stayed as long as she did.  I'm not sure you get to say 'convert me' and then insist on how a person might attempt to do that. 

    All I see is the usual atheistic scatter-gun approach and then alot of rhetorical crowing.  Glad it makes you all feel better about yourselves...
  • Re: Shaneequa vs Cheetah: nice clean comments thread.
     Reply #59 - October 16, 2008, 05:24 PM
    Quote from: sparky on October 16, 2008, 05:16 PM
    Given that she clearly came with completely different expectation that Cheetah, I'm surprised Shan stayed as long as she did.  I'm not sure you get to say 'convert me' and then insist on how a person might attempt to do that. 

    All I see is the usual atheistic scatter-gun approach and then alot of rhetorical crowing.  Glad it makes you all feel better about yourselves...



    Atheist scattergun doesn't come in to it. She talks of twaddle, vast amounts of it. Not all of us are atheist, btw. Some of us ARE religious fruitcakes though. Smiley
    Ha Ha.
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