Apostasy in the UK with Imtiaz Shams

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OP - November 18, 2021, 07:48 PM

Humanists UK interview with Imtiaz Shams
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfJnDy-rDxc
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Imtiaz Shams is a tech entrepreneur, human rights activist and the co-founder of Faith To Faithless, an advocacy group for so-called 'apostates', leaving high-control religions or cults. Imtiaz used his experience to help apostates who suffer when they leave conservative religions. In 2012, he began creating ‘underground railroad’ networks for Ex-Muslims around the world. He has been featured on the BBC, 'Vice', the 'Guardian', and 'The Times'. In 2017 he was the first Ex-Muslim ever to speak at an Islamic Conference, as he believes religious organisations are important in the fight to tackle apostate discrimination. He is also a trustee of Humanists UK.

Faith to Faithless is Humanists UK’s support programme for so-called ‘apostates’ and those who leave high-control religions. The service is led by apostates themselves, who have knowledge and experiences of apostate communities facing serious and systemic issues. Faith to Faithless supports people who have left many religions including ex-Evangelical Christians, ex-Ultra-Orthodox Jews, Ex-Muslims, ex-Jehovah’s Witnesses, and others.

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Reply #1 - November 19, 2021, 10:39 AM

self-identifying ex-muslims still choosing to be co-opted by humanists uk and the like? because that's what they're doing by appearing on their platforms.
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Reply #2 - November 19, 2021, 10:44 AM

Is there any particular problem with Humanists UK? I can't say I know much about them.

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Reply #3 - November 19, 2021, 10:57 AM

it's the problems you would expect with white middle class organisations.

https://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=31720.msg891456#msg891456
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Reply #4 - November 19, 2021, 11:05 AM

Thanks

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Reply #5 - November 19, 2021, 11:06 AM

appears the article was taken down... archive link below.

http://web.archive.org/web/20210619123117/https://aliyahsaleem.com/2021/06/19/wolves-in-sheeps-clothing-unkindness-and-unfairness-at-humanists-uk/
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Reply #6 - November 19, 2021, 11:25 AM

From a quick glance at that it sounds like the mistake was agreeing to compromise the independence of the group she set up. Involvement with NGOs and the like tends to come with strings attached.

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Reply #7 - November 20, 2021, 12:39 PM

Quote from: zeca on November 19, 2021, 11:25 AM
From a quick glance at that it sounds like the mistake was agreeing to compromise the independence of the group she set up. Involvement with NGOs and the like tends to come with strings attached.

Who is She and what compromise she made? I don't think there was any compromise., there is a platform which happened to be Humanis UK., so those Ex-Ms who can speak openly should go ahead and speak out., WITH A HUGE PERSONAL RISK..

THE PROBLEM IS NOT WITH THESE PLATFORMS., but .. the problem.. is money.. money.. money .. and you need a lot of it to fight likes of powers that are there which openly supports spreading particular UNQUESTIONABLE STRAIN OF ISLAM overtly or covertly., and there is NO political force from Ex-Ms such as ex-M representing member of parliament in any country that supports openly with Ex-Ms .. because of these problems IT TURNS OUT DUMP TRUMP BECOMES FRONT END MATERIAL at the end.,

10 YEARS AGO., I ACTUALLY WISHED RICHARD DAWKINS to contest elections for British parliamentary system ., In fact many times i asked our Hassan Radwan to contest elections..

So life goes on with just sympathies from others.,

but we must realize even Humanist UK or from other country become STRONG POLITICAL FORCE that can sway elections ., that will also be useful., and then people will start talking., off course you have to correct that course/direction of Islamophobia and COMPLETELY ELIMINATE MUSLIM PHOBIA across the globe., Political Islam must be curbed in every country .. Politics and religions can not become bedfellows to create brainless cretins that become leaders of a country

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I renounced my faith to become a kafir,
the beloved betrayed me and turned in to a Muslim
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