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  • France Muslims were in danger of forming separate "counter-society
     Reply #30 - February 21, 2021, 10:32 AM

    meanwhile, ghettoists complain.

    Quote from:
    “Yes, there are problems with drugs, delinquency and radicalisation. I have never denied that. But we’re working to resolve them and these sort of attacks don’t help.


    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/feb/21/its-so-unfair-life-on-the-streets-of-the-french-town-branded-as-lost-to-islam
  • France Muslims were in danger of forming separate "counter-society
     Reply #31 - February 22, 2021, 03:10 PM


    well ghettos in France..  ghettos in England..... ghettos in US of A  ..... ghettos in east and ghettos in west., Ghettos in Islamic nations.   .ghettos in Africa., South America.,   This ghettoism problem is everywhere ... IS IT A RELIGION/FAITH  SPECIFIC  PROBLEM?? IS IT A RACE SPECIFIC PROBLEM??  I don't think so .. it is an economic problem , political problem., economic problem... and some times it gets coupled to  individual/family  problems increasing the troubles in these ghettoed societies

    anyways on that   France and Islam .. the news in dawn editorial says

      I guess Zaffar Abbas  wrote that ... I AM NOT SURE ., anyways in it he says

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    IN a globalised world, despite the shrinking of distances and the coming together of cultures, hateful ideologies persist. Discrimination and violence on the basis of race, religion, and sect continue to bedevil our seemingly modern world, as ancient tribal prejudices refuse to die down.
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    Amongst the hateful ideologies that have affected a large portion of humanity is Islamophobia, where Muslims are demonised and isolated either due to their beliefs or the violent actions of a few wayward groups and individuals acting in the name of Islam.

    In this regard, Foreign Minister Shah Mahmood Qureshi, while virtually addressing a session of the UN’s Economic and Social Council, highlighted the issue of Islamophobia. Without naming India, Mr Qureshi denounced the “discriminatory citizenship laws ... and repeated state-sponsored pogroms against minorities” while also calling for a “global alliance against the rise and spread of Islamophobic as well as other violent nationalist and racist groups”.

    Read: UNGA adopts Pakistan-led resolution on 'promotion of interreligious, intercultural dialogue'

    Quote
    Indeed, the virus of hate has spread far and wide across the world. The foreign minister has rightly made reference to India, where the Hindu hard right has made a mockery of Indian secularism by hounding the country’s Muslim minority. But even elsewhere in the world, for example in parts of Europe, anti-Muslim and anti-foreigner sentiment is high, with some states led by ultranationalist regimes echoing the poisonous rhetoric that their fascist forebears espoused in the mid-20th century, in the lead-up to World War II.


    Therefore, there is a need for a global response to racist and fascist ideologies that threaten minorities. In many cases, foreigners and those declared the ‘other’ are easy scapegoats for society’s failures, with all ills blamed on ‘outsiders’. This conundrum has been succinctly summed up by Mesut Ozil, the star German footballer of Turkish descent: “I am German when we win, an immigrant when we lose.”

    However, despite the deep-seated prejudice against Muslims and foreigners in many societies, the fact that extremist militants have greatly contributed to the discrimination against Islam must also be acknowledged. Transnational terrorist outfits such as Al Qaeda, the self-styled Islamic State group and others of their ilk, claiming to be working for the glory of Islam, have in fact done a great disservice to Islam and Muslims. Their large-scale slaughter of both Muslims and non-Muslims is antithetical to religious injunctions that place the greatest value on human life, and are in stark contrast with traditional Muslim thought.

    Moreover, Islamist militancy is thoroughly a modern construct, a reactionary phenomenon born out of the injustice and repressiveness found in most Muslim states, and the colonial interventions of non-Muslim powers in places such as Palestine and Kashmir. The world community must therefore address both issues: the profound anti-Muslim prejudice evident in many societies, as well as the repressive systems in most Muslim states that help create the foot soldiers for religiously inspired militancy.

    Published in Dawn, February 22nd, 2021


    So how do we solve that Islamophobia problem??  well I can solve that with ONE SINGLE STATEMENT..... if you preach that in mosques...Churches ...temples .. synagogues ... That problem can be trashed and it will be done in few years if not in few months..

    well Zaffar Abbas says in that link Read: UNGA adopts Pakistan-led resolution on 'promotion of interreligious, intercultural dialogue'

    let me read that well Zaffer you watch this...

    I am ashamed of calling myself a human being and was related to Some Muslims..

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • France Muslims were in danger of forming separate "counter-society
     Reply #32 - February 22, 2021, 10:34 PM

    This ghettoism problem is everywhere ... IS IT A RELIGION/FAITH  SPECIFIC  PROBLEM?? IS IT A RACE SPECIFIC PROBLEM??  I don't think so .. it is an economic problem , political problem., economic problem


    it's a faulty state of mind. excuses aren't a solution.

    Quote from:
    "However, despite the deep-seated prejudice against Muslims and foreigners in many societies, the fact that extremist militants have greatly contributed to the discrimination against Islam must also be acknowledged."


    self-pitying dog shit should be scorned. not preached or encouraged.
  • France Muslims were in danger of forming separate "counter-society
     Reply #33 - March 03, 2021, 09:16 AM

    brownshirts versus brownskins.

    Quote from:
    Alvaro Peñas interviews Thaïs d’Escufon, student in foreign languages in Toulouse, France, and the speaker of the youth movement Generation Identitaire (Generation Identity). It is an anti-immigration lobby which seeks to defend French and European identity facing mass immigration, Islamisation, and its consequences: sexual harassment, insecurity, anti-white racism etc.


    https://thenewprometheism.com/interview-with-thais-descufon-from-generation-identitaire/
  • France Muslims were in danger of forming separate "counter-society
     Reply #34 - March 03, 2021, 09:26 AM

    islamo-gauchisme.

    Quote from:
    The term Islamo-leftism describes the attitude of mainly in the new Ecologist and old leftist camp of the political spectrum. It sees Muslim immigrants as the substitute proletariat. But the fact is that it has hardly anything to do with reality in Islamic countries since it ignores the potential for Islamic violence and separatism witnessed daily in France. Islamo-leftists view the world with political expediency regardless of the consequences.


    https://freewestmedia.com/2021/02/27/the-debate-around-islamo-leftism-ignites-in-france/
  • France Muslims were in danger of forming separate "counter-society
     Reply #35 - March 09, 2021, 12:37 AM

    zemmour threatening to hobble le pen's presidential bid.

    Quote from:
    "During the debate against Emmanuel Macron, she showed a crass incompetence and an inability to gain height (...) She fell into all the traps that Emmanuel Macron set for her, without being able to respond economically and to talk about France. She does not have the culture that her father had or the previous generation.  Marine Le Pen is on the left . All these reflexes are on the left. She is much more so than some people in the Socialist Party ". (RTL)

    Since then, Zemmour has never ceased to refer to Le Pen as a "completely zero" person who will never be able to beat Macron. So, if Marshal passes his turn, it is his. Only, running is not an easy task, it will be necessary to find the 500 signatures of elected officials. For financing, Bolloré would be ready to put his hand in his pocket.


    https://mobile.agoravox.fr/tribune-libre/article/zemmour-candidat-panique-en-231420
  • France Muslims were in danger of forming separate "counter-society
     Reply #36 - March 15, 2021, 02:55 AM

    Not like Macron is popular right now, even with his fisheries boost.

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • France Muslims were in danger of forming separate "counter-society
     Reply #37 - March 20, 2021, 10:14 PM

    well ghettos in France..  ghettos in England..... ghettos in US of A  ..... ghettos in east and ghettos in west., Ghettos in Islamic nations.   .ghettos in Africa., South America.,   


    and ghettos in denmark but seem some people have a problem with practical solutions.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/MaryamNamazie/status/1372297961267466242
  • France Muslims were in danger of forming separate "counter-society
     Reply #38 - March 21, 2021, 04:48 PM

    and ghettos in denmark but seem some people have a problem with practical solutions.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/MaryamNamazie/status/1372297961267466242

    Who... Who have the problems??  No... NO ... no one have any problems with solving such problems., may be they also looking for solutions in a different way  dear crumble., A problem can be solved in many different ways., 

    but Thank you for that link .. it took me to  Rahaf Mohammed you tube

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFtqjVFlqZk&t=3s

    Briefly Rahaf Mohammed  Mutlaq al-Qunun was born in  Saudi Arabia., and she   was detained by Thai authorities on 5 January 2019 Bangkok airport while travelling to Australia from Kuwait. She was escaping  her family who she says abused her and threatened to kill her for amongst other reasons leaving Islam and seek  asylum in Australia 

    WELL WE KNOW WHAT IS LEAVING ISLAM MEANS IN THAT SAND LAND

    Thanks to social media service and  specially Twitter.,     due to worldwide attention  Thai authorities abandoned their plans to forcibly return her to Kuwait  and she was taken under the protection of the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees and granted refugee status. On 11 January, 2019 she was granted asylum in Canada and arrived in Toronto the next day.

    and that is her first you tube video from Canada....  So glad to see her doing well

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • France Muslims were in danger of forming separate "counter-society
     Reply #39 - March 25, 2021, 09:28 AM

    A problem can be solved in many different ways., 


    the paralysis of multiple choices will never solve any problem.

    Quote from:
    In sensitive areas, in difficult neighborhoods, the Danish Social Democratic government has decided to reduce the number of non-Westerners to 30% and to massively relocate the families concerned in other social housing. He promises to achieve this goal in ten years. During this parenthesis, offenses committed in these disadvantaged neighborhoods will be punished more severely. These places will no longer be called "ghettos" but parallel religious and cultural societies.


    https://www.causeur.fr/danemark-immigration-ghettos-mette-frederiksen-193863
  • France Muslims were in danger of forming separate "counter-society
     Reply #40 - April 06, 2021, 01:00 PM

    two part doc from 2018 but looks interesting - the french far right mobilising against muslims.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Il2GbD4mrrk
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_kEgufjqlio
  • France Muslims were in danger of forming separate "counter-society
     Reply #41 - Yesterday at 04:20 AM

    eviangate: a timeline.

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    On April 13, in the middle of the afternoon, an apparently innocuous tweet was published on the Twitter account of the mineral water brand Evian. This invites its subscribers to retweet (relay) the said tweet if they have drunk more than a liter of water during the day. Nothing very attractive a priori. It was without taking into account the fact that this message was posted on the first day of Ramadan , when the fasting period for French people of Muslim faith began.


    https://www.msn.com/fr-fr/actualite/insolite/evian-et-le-ramadan-cinq-minutes-pour-comprendre-un-emballement/ar-BB1fGziN
  • France Muslims were in danger of forming separate "counter-society
     Reply #42 - Yesterday at 10:24 AM

    assimilation defeated by integration.

    Quote from:
    My hypothesis is that we find in Sartre's work a French version of multiculturalism with its own characteristics, in particular its emotional foundation which cultivates self-shame.

    Starting from the shame of the fate done to the Jews under the Occupation, but also of that done to "blacks" or "colonized", Sartre engages in a critique of assimilationist democracy. The recognition of “identity” must take precedence over citizen membership in the nation, this is what he calls “concrete liberalism” which I show is in reality an outline of a multicultural program.

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    ... Islam “in itself” is not a political force. The political actor is the Muslims who have assimilated Islam and who propagate its mores as its law by imitative processes. These Muslims arrived in France through immigration very recently and it is even more recently that the problem of their assimilation arises.

    There is an essential reason for this: their number. It is only through numbers that Muslim mores and law can enter into political conflict, and no longer only in theoretical contradiction, with our mores and our laws.

    Is it the number that has produced the impossibility of assimilation or is it the abandonment of the demand for assimilation that has produced the number? I lean for the second hypothesis and therefore for a political explanation. I believe that it is because we have gradually ceased to be a political people that we have ceased to have a policy towards foreigners. We have "forgotten" that we had to assimilate ourselves as French in order to have a common political will with regard to foreigners.

    Depoliticized and open to moralism and the “guilt-inducing masochism” of migratory ideology, we no longer paid attention to the number or to the origin of foreigners and we opened the floodgates.


    https://frontpopulaire.fr/o/Content/co480120/vincent-coussediere-l-ideologie-de-l-integration-fait-l-erreur-de-separer-l
  • France Muslims were in danger of forming separate "counter-society
     Reply #43 - Yesterday at 10:50 AM


    ...  Islam “in itself” is not a political force.  The political actor is the Muslims who have assimilated Islam and who propagate its mores as its law by imitative processes. These Muslims arrived in France through immigration very recently and it is even more recently that the problem of their assimilation arises.

    There is an essential reason for this: their number. It is only through numbers that Muslim mores and law can enter into political conflict, and no longer only in theoretical contradiction, with our mores and our laws.[/quote]

    That is NONSENSE.. whoever wrote that is a fool., EVERY AND ANY ORGANIZED RELIGION/FAITH FAITH HEADS/ FAITH FOLLOWES IS A POLITICAL FORCE ., and political force is nothing but but number game ..  well let me read this

    Quote
    PM Imran asks Western govts to outlaw disrespect for Prophet on lines of Holocaust 
     
    Prime Minister Imran Khan on Saturday asked the governments of Western countries to "penalise those deliberately spreading their message of hate against Muslims" by disrespecting Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) in the same way that they had "outlawed any negative comment against the Holocaust".

    In a series of tweets, Prime Minister Imran clarified that his government had only taken action against the recently proscribed Tehreek-i-Labbaik Pakistan (TLP) after members of the party "challenged the writ of the state, used street violence and attacked the public and law enforcers".

    "No one can be above the law and the Constitution," he emphasised.

    Addressing the "extremists abroad who indulge in Islamophobia and racist slurs to hurt and cause pain" to the international Muslim community, the prime minister said that Muslims "have the greatest love and respect for our Prophet PBUH" and cannot tolerate any disrespect and abuse....


    well that and more is there at that news   and this is from London

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W78Lw3p5AEc

    and this is from near Faizabad in Rawalpindi

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OwGcNj94zxc

    Imran is facing the heat and he is turning on flames towards other countries

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • France Muslims were in danger of forming separate "counter-society
     Reply #44 - Yesterday at 12:38 PM

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    ...  Islam “in itself” is not a political force.  The political actor is the Muslims who have assimilated Islam and who propagate its mores as its law by imitative processes. These Muslims arrived in France through immigration very recently and it is even more recently that the problem of their assimilation arises.

    There is an essential reason for this: their number. It is only through numbers that Muslim mores and law can enter into political conflict, and no longer only in theoretical contradiction, with our mores and our laws.


    That is NONSENSE.. whoever wrote that is a fool., EVERY AND ANY ORGANIZED RELIGION/FAITH FAITH HEADS/ FAITH FOLLOWES IS A POLITICAL FORCE ., and political force is nothing but but number game ..


    if you agree that force arises out numbers not ideology then simple control of demographic change  (ie immigration and its dispersal) is the logical solution to social conflict.

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