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  • Apostasy Day
     OP - August 22, 2020, 09:17 AM

    https://www.counterview.net/2020/08/august-22-to-be-observed-as-apostasy.html
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    August 22 to be observed as Apostasy Day: International coalition of ex-Muslim groups

    In a unique move, an international coalition of ex-Muslim organisations has decided to observe August 22, 2020 as the Apostasy Day. To be observed for “the abandonment or renunciation of religion”, the coalition, calling upon people to join the call, said, the decision to observe the Apostasy Day has been taken because of apostasy is “punishable by death in Afghanistan, Iran, Malaysia, Maldives, Mauritania, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Somalia, UAE, and Yemen.”

    Pointing out that it is “a criminal offence in many more Muslim-majority countries”, the coalition said, “In Pakistan, a disbelief in God is punishable with the death penalty under a blasphemy law”, adding, “In Saudi Arabia, atheism is equated with terrorism.”

    In a statement ahead of the worldwide call, the coalition claimed, “In some countries without the death penalty, Islamists kill those deemed apostates, including in Bangladesh and Muslim-minority India”, adding, “In many countries, such as in Europe and North America, apostates can face threats, shunning and honour-based violence, including from their families.”

    Further claiming that “individuals from orthodox Jewish, Christian, Hindu and other backgrounds can also face shunning and violence for apostasy”, the statement said, August 22 “is being chosen as Apostasy Day because it is the UN Day Commemorating the Victims of Acts of Violence Based on Religion or Belief.” Hundreds of signatures for joining the call have been collected.

    “Moreover”, it added, “Late August marks the start of a second wave of mass executions of apostates in Iran in 1988 after brief “trials”. Thousands who responded negatively to questions such as ‘Are you a Muslim?', 'Do you believe in Allah?', 'Is the Holy Qur'an the Word of Allah?', 'Do you accept the Holy Muhammad to be the Seal of the Prophets?', 'Do you fast during Ramadan?', 'Do you pray and read the Holy Qur'an?' were summarily executed.”

    The Apostasy Day, the statement said, would be observed by commemorating the victims of apostasy laws; seeking an an end to the criminalisation and the death penalty for apostasy in countries under Islamic laws; an end to shunning, threats and honour-related violence from families of apostates; and affirmation of freedom of thought, conscience and belief as well as opinion and expression in compliance with the United Nation Declaration of Human Rights (Articles 18 & 19).

  • Apostasy Day
     Reply #1 - August 22, 2020, 09:49 AM

    another twitter holiday.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/search?q=%23ApostasyDay%20since%3A2020-08-22&src=typed_query
  • Apostasy Day
     Reply #2 - August 22, 2020, 11:10 AM

    In case anyone reads Spanish here’s an interview with an ex-Muslim in Spain:

    ”Tengo 22 años, soy mujer y he apostatado del islam"
  • Apostasy Day
     Reply #3 - August 22, 2020, 02:28 PM

    translation says she set up a spanish ex-muslim group - surprised one didn't already exist in that country? then again, not heard of french, german, etc groups so who knows.
  • Apostasy Day
     Reply #4 - August 23, 2020, 09:55 AM

    Here’s an interview with subtitles.
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?pbjreload=101&v=411IVhzbng8
  • Apostasy Day
     Reply #5 - August 23, 2020, 12:20 PM

    Here’s an interview with subtitles.
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?pbjreload=101&v=411IVhzbng8

    more important in such interviews in reading what readers write under it... Reading  comments under it is as  important as that interview itself..

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Apostasy Day
     Reply #6 - August 23, 2020, 01:24 PM

    more important in such interviews in reading what readers write under it... Reading  comments under it is as  important as that interview itself..


    It’s interesting to read the comments in Spanish. Mostly they’re very supportive, apart from a few from Muslims. I suspect it’s easier to get public support and media attention in Spain than it is in the UK. I’ve seen the same with other issues - the signal to noise ratio feels different.
  • Apostasy Day
     Reply #7 - August 23, 2020, 02:41 PM

    It’s interesting to read the comments in Spanish. Mostly they’re very supportive, apart from a few from Muslims. I suspect it’s easier to get public support and media attention in Spain than it is in the UK. I’ve seen the same with other issues - the signal to noise ratio feels different.

    well I am of the opinion that people of your caliber are capable of filtering noise and pickup proper signals dear zeca.. As far media attention and political rhetoric to score the points   is concerned., it is going to be there as long as political systems do not turn in to totalitarian regimes/regime ideologies .. irrespective of whether  they are faith based or based on political systems...

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Apostasy Day
     Reply #8 - August 26, 2020, 08:25 PM

    A few days late but here’s Brian Whitaker on Apostasy Day https://medium.com/@Brian_Whit/ex-muslims-mark-international-apostasy-day-6921d7b73c8f

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    More than 20 ex-Muslim organisations from around the world have joined forces to mark today (August 22) as the first annual International Apostasy Day.

    Persecution of apostates has a long history but it’s a particular problem today in Muslim countries. Any Muslim who publicly renounces Islam, whether to join another faith or to abandon religion entirely, risks being accused of apostasy — which is widely regarded as a serious crime. A remark attributed to the Prophet Muhammad says “He who changes his religion should be killed”.

    In some countries the death penalty for apostasy has been incorporated into law, either explicitly in the penal code or indirectly through the role granted to Islamic shariah in the legal system. Actual executions are rare, though, and several recent apostasy cases — in Kuwait, Yemen and Sudan — were resolved by allowing the accused person to flee the country. More commonly, apostates are imprisoned under vague laws against “defaming religion” or “insulting God”.

    Tough action against apostates also appears to have widespread public support in Muslim countries. A poll conducted by the Pew Research Center in 2010 showed that 84% of Egyptian Muslims believe those who leave Islam should be punished by death.

    Even so, the whole idea of legislating against religious “thought crime” is at odds with the Universal Declaration of Human Rights which says everyone has “the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion”. It also appears to be at odds with a verse in the Qur’an (2:256) which says “There is no compulsion in religion”.

    One effect of having such laws is that they provide a veneer of legitimacy for the activities of religious vigilantes — either by initiating court cases or violently taking matters into their own hands.

    In 1992 Farag Fouda, an outspoken secularist who ruthlessly mocked many of Egypt’s leading Islamists, was shot dead by two members of the militant group, al-Gama’a al-Islamiyya.

    Two years later, Naguib Mahfouz, the only Arab ever to win a Nobel prize for literature, was stabbed in the neck outside his home after being accused by militants of apostasy. Mahfouz, who was eighty-two at the time, survived the assassination attempt but with his right arm partly paralysed.

    In 2016, Jordanian writer Nahed Hattar was shot dead as he arrived at a court in Amman to answer charges of “insulting religion” and inciting “sectarian strife and racism”. Hattar was a controversial figure — a leftist supporter of the Assad regime in Syria — who had been arrested for sharing a cartoon on Facebook. The cartoon poked fun at a prominent financier of the Islamic State (ISIS/Daesh) who had earlier been reported killed. It depicted him living a dissolute lifestyle in heaven and being disrespectful towards God.

    In the ensuing fuss Hattar deleted the cartoon and apologised, saying his intention was to criticise ISIS and not to insult Islam. Despite calls on social media for him to be killed or lynched, the authorities failed to protect him. After the shooting on the courthouse steps it was Hattar’s family, rather than the police, who initially apprehended the killer, a 49-year-old imam, who was later executed for the murder.

    Many of those accused of apostasy are not actually apostates: they haven’t renounced Islam but have simply expressed a view that upset the vigilantes. In Egypt, for example, lawsuits have often been used — by Islamists in particular — to harass those they disagree with.

    For Nasr Abu Zayd, a teacher of Arabic literature at Cairo University in Egypt, the trouble began in 1992 when he applied for a professorial post. The committee responsible for promotions considered three reports on his work — two of which were favourable. But the third report, prepared by the Islamist Dr Abdel-Sabour Shahin, questioned the orthodoxy of Abu Zayd’s religious beliefs, claiming that his research contained “clear affronts to the Islamic faith”, and the committee rejected his appointment by seven votes to six.

    Not content with having deprived Abu Zayd of a promotion, Shahin then wrote a newspaper article accusing him of apostasy. This in turn prompted a group of Islamist lawyers to file a lawsuit seeking to divorce Abu Zayd from his wife, on the grounds that a Muslim woman cannot be married to an apostate. They eventually won their case and Abu Zayd fled the country along with his newly-divorced wife.

    The Egyptian writer and feminist, Nawal el Saadawi, faced a similar situation in 2001 when Islamists sought to have her divorced after thirty-seven years of marriage, on the grounds that her views had placed her outside Islam. The case seems to have been prompted by an interview in which she said kissing the black stone of the Kaaba (which Muslims do on the pilgrimage to Mecca) is a “ vestige of pagan practices “. Fortunately for Saadawi, the divorce claim was rejected.

    In some countries defectors from Islam can be taken to the sharia courts (by relatives or others) and stripped of basic rights in the areas of marriage, inheritance and custody of children — a legal concept known as “civil death”.

    In 2005, for example, Jordan’s shariah appeals court declared a Muslim convert to Christianity to be a ward of the state, stripped him of his civil rights and annulled his marriage. The court ruled that he no longer had any inheritance rights and that he could not remarry his wife unless he returned to Islam.

    Egypt, like Jordan, has no specific law forbidding apostasy but in another “civil death” case a 73-year-old Egyptian Muslim was awarded custody of his seven-year-old grandson because the boy’s parents changed their religion, converting to the Baha’i faith. The grandfather, Mohammad Abdul Fatah, said he had gone to court after seeking advice from Egypt’s Grand Mufti: “He advised me to consider my daughter dead, and to file a lawsuit to demand the guardianship of my grandchild.”

    Originally published at https://al-bab.com

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