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  • Apostasy Alternative
     Reply #90 - August 02, 2021, 08:13 AM

    I wonder if desert arabs had the metallurgical skills to pour molten brass. petty traders don't manufacturer stuff - except stories.

  • Apostasy Alternative
     Reply #91 - August 02, 2021, 03:45 PM

    I wonder if desert arabs had the metallurgical skills to pour molten brass. petty traders don't manufacturer stuff - except stories.


    What....? crumble  dear crumble .. you are troubling me., you are making me to run in circles  Why?? I ASK YOU WHY??

    we are talking about subject of LIFE & DEATH ..  Apostasy and alternative to it., 

    HERE We are talking about Allah/GOD.... whatever.... being represented as Heeeeeeeeeee   with big dick pouring molten metal in the mouth of those who question stupid books that were written  by cave men in cave age...

    HERE we are talking about Allah/God   .... whatever....  represented as MALE FIGURE in different cultures in different languages .

    Now you suddenly change  the subject asking me about desert Arabs?  Also blaming them ??  they were just petty traders don't manufacturer stuff - except stories.??

    Why I ask you why?  why dear crumble ., why are you troubling me??  I have other problems  such as the one in zeca post  such as this one

    https://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=27568.msg891776#msg891776

    or  this one
    Ahmad Al-Jallad - What was spoken at Yathrib (Medinah) before the spread of Arabic?

    https://safaitic.blogspot.com/2021/07/what-was-spoken-at-yathrib-medinah.html


    ANYWAYS .. YOUR QUESTION AND DOUBT ON ARABS OF THAT TIME IS VERY VERY IMPORTANT...

    good stuff good stuff    https://safaitic.blogspot.com/2021/05/imruu-l-qays-and-sabaic-inscription.html



    In Ancient South Arabia, over two-thousand years ago,  a man named Ḥaram son of Ṯawbān commissioned this bronze plaque as an act of penitence.

    SEE THAT 2000 YEAR OLD BRONZE PLAQUE

    with best wishes
    yeezevee


    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Apostasy Alternative
     Reply #92 - August 03, 2021, 11:00 PM

    What....? crumble  dear crumble .. you are troubling me., you are making me to run in circles  Why?? I ASK YOU WHY??
    <snip>
    In Ancient South Arabia, over two-thousand years ago,  a man named Ḥaram son of Ṯawbān commissioned this bronze plaque as an act of penitence


    adultery, penance and rocking careers - I should post this in the exotic thread but here will do!

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vzYaZWDL-2A

  • Apostasy Alternative
     Reply #93 - August 04, 2021, 07:31 AM

    adultery, penance and rocking careers - I should post this in the exotic thread but here will do!

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vzYaZWDL-2A


    yes...yes...,  that would have been better., but it was my mistake I responded to your statement
    I wonder if desert arabs had the metallurgical skills to pour molten brass. petty traders don't manufacturer stuff - except stories.

    just to let you now  that you may not  have read much about Arab folks of that time .,

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Apostasy Alternative
     Reply #94 - August 04, 2021, 08:43 AM

    I suppose brass-making hundreds of year prior to publication either indicates a long established tradition of painful metaphors or it puts the source material much further back in the time.

    for lazy people, the answer doesn't really matter. the alternative to finding truth is escaping into fantasy - bollywood, hollywood, etc all fit the bill!

  • Apostasy Alternative
     Reply #95 - August 04, 2021, 11:22 AM

    I suppose brass-making hundreds of year prior to publication either indicates a long established tradition of painful metaphors or it puts the source material much further back in the time.

    WHAT PUBLICATION ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT??   QURAN??

    Quran The book?

    Quran The manuscripts before it became book?

    Or The Manuscripts about the Stories  of Quran  that you see in the earlier faith books??


    Quote
    for lazy people, the answer doesn't really matter. the alternative to finding truth is escaping into fantasy - bollywood, hollywood, etc all fit the bill!

    No..No.. Answers matters to every one ., As far as your fantasy to escape in to bollywood, hollywood,  is concerned well then you should also watch and learn something about Lollywood and  Dhallywood   as you know Indian subcontinent  has more that Hindi Film Industry ...

    AND LET US NOT BE LAZY ON Apostasy .....(the abandonment or renunciation of a religious or political belief)_..   and  Alternative to it.,

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Apostasy Alternative
     Reply #96 - August 05, 2021, 06:34 AM

    asking questions and getting answers is the curse of those who seek truth. the alternative is abandoning the search and finding contentment in whichever non-truth is closest to hand.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=R9QW9pBmf1U&
  • Apostasy Alternative
     Reply #97 - August 05, 2021, 02:24 PM

    asking questions and getting answers is the curse of those who seek truth. the alternative is abandoning the search and finding contentment in whichever non-truth is closest to hand.

    Hmm You are right crumble you are riot  .. you create riots.,
    well this sounds like words from prophet., Prophet crumble
    Quote
    asking questions and getting answers is the curse of those who seek truth.

    interesting words there  ., well let me rewrite that

    asking questions and getting answers is the curse OF   those who seek truth.

    Or   or    or

    Asking questions and getting answers is the curse ON those who seek truth.

    what a difference one letter makes    .. F to N


      Not sure what all that video is about and i don't want to know. So  let me watch  Jocelyn Bell Burnell

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDW9zKqvPJI

    Dr. Dame Susan Jocelyn Bell Burnell DBE FRS FRSE FRAS FInstP  ., what a person   Please watch the tube

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Apostasy Alternative
     Reply #98 - August 22, 2021, 01:45 PM

    flogging a dead horse: this chap says there's still more to do to get the ex-muslim voice heard.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-hgXtdZWWA
  • Apostasy Alternative
     Reply #99 - August 25, 2021, 06:43 AM

    turning away from truth.

    Quote
    Many people (generally young), at first, enjoy the practice of Zen Buddhism or just plain Buddhism.  But over time, they eventually shift to a kind of aesthetic hedonism in which the need for pleasure turns the intellect towards seeking the experience of contentment, enjoyment, gladness, gratification, love and even euphoria

    https://zennist.typepad.com/zenfiles/2018/02/a-kind-of-aesthetic-hedonism.html


    less words, more vision.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EDqr3NK_2-0
  • Apostasy Alternative
     Reply #100 - August 27, 2021, 11:21 PM

    muslim or ex-muslim, why spend so much time, believing all the lies, to keep the dream alive?

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9OFpfTd0EIs
  • Apostasy Alternative
     Reply #101 - August 29, 2021, 08:46 AM

    let me crumble crumble's cookie 
    muslim or ex-muslim, why spend so much time, believing all the lies, to keep the dream alive?

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9OFpfTd0EIs

    crumble..     THAT IS RUBBISH.,  unless you explain me thee simple questions..

    1). what lies Muslims are believing and what is their dream?

    2). what lies Ex-Muslims are believing and what is their dream?

    if you do not answer those questions I would consider   whatever  you said above is nonsense....


    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Apostasy Alternative
     Reply #102 - August 30, 2021, 08:12 AM

    it's lyrics from the video - but they both believe in the lie of identity in order keep the dream of a larger group alive.

    the idea of a collection of disparate people representing you as an individual is self-delusion. it's like seeing shapes in clouds, ie projecting patterns that don't really exist.

    talking of nonsense, read this:

    Quote
    'I would like to tell politicians and policy makers to stand up for universal human rights and secularism for everyone, and not to see those values ​​as 'European values' or 'Dutch values' or 'British values'. They are universal . People have fought for it, and are still fighting for it, sometimes at great risk to their lives, even in countries under Islamic rule.'

    https://www.vrij-links.nl/interview/maryam-namazie/fundamentalisme-is-extreemrechts-met-andere-kleren-aan/


    universal? what's the difference if a muslim says the same thing about islamic values? no difference at all!

    sane people must stop appealing to an imaginary consensus to imply authority for their own selfish preferences.

  • Apostasy Alternative
     Reply #103 - August 31, 2021, 07:25 AM

    throwback tuesday: sarfraz manzoor handwringing over being a stereotypical liberal muslim.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/sarfrazmanzoor/status/1431262914682437635
  • Apostasy Alternative
     Reply #104 - September 12, 2021, 08:54 AM

    prophetess greta and alarmist revelations.

    Quote
    Any serious meteorological event is now reduced to the theme of global warming, with this idea in the background of the guilt of contemporary civilization. It is impossible to escape this universal anguish and only a few authors still dare to denounce the ambient catastrophism and look coldly at the situation.


    https://www.causeur.fr/la-science-prometheenne-mise-k-o-par-lecologisme-et-lalarmisme-209716
  • Apostasy Alternative
     Reply #105 - September 14, 2021, 08:28 PM

    always catching up to the past. the exmuslim movement had its moment and has been replaying it since then. no more nostalgia! (except this)

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2JpO5MYwo5E
  • Apostasy Alternative
     Reply #106 - September 14, 2021, 09:25 PM

    here's the bad news: you're going to die.

    but there's good news too: you're already dead.

    feel better? you should do. when there is no future then it's a weight off your mind. muslim, exmuslim, tomato potato - who cares!

    celebrate/commiserate every moment of your existence - it's up to you, in this moment, now.
  • Apostasy Alternative
     Reply #107 - November 20, 2021, 09:34 AM

    here's the bad news: you're going to die.
    but there's good news too: you're already dead.
     
    So celebrate, commiserate every moment of your existence -
    it's up to you, in this moment, now.

     Cheesy Cheesy  that is a good one.,

    Aliya  does have a point there

    bottom line  for any organization to survive and thrive is .......dollar, pound, rupee...whatever is the currency of the town ....... and apostatizing from any faith throws  a person in to a serious  mental. financial. physical,  social  in home family problems., The more cultish is the faith followers are around a person .,  the  more serious  problem the person gets in to ., And Islam beats all other faiths in that game .....

    anyways Aliya  does have a point in her outbursts  but I am not sure blaming   Andrew  Copson or that self funded Humanist UK.ORG  will help solving the problem/s  of Apostates that face in day to day life.,  .And apostates of Islam come from all over the globe ..

    And  thank you for that link dear crumble and I wonder how many who read/write in to CEMB  from UK attended .. this well funded Islamic organization/school

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Apostasy Alternative
     Reply #108 - March 13, 2022, 01:18 PM

    looks like cemb had been reduced to women burning (head) bras (instead of qurans):

    https://mobile.twitter.com/MaryamNamazie/status/1501130678624264195

    yes, it’s 2022 and the ex-muslim project is dead!
  • Apostasy Alternative
     Reply #109 - March 13, 2022, 10:35 PM

    I always thought it was a silly notion of having an 'ex Muslim movement' within the West. I can easily understand for having such a thing in Iran, Saudi Arabia or Pakistan. I prefer pushing back against religious bullying rather than creating 'movements' of persuasion. At least that's what I saw from large parts of this 'movement'.
  • Apostasy Alternative
     Reply #110 - March 14, 2022, 09:02 AM

    I always thought it was a silly notion of having an 'ex Muslim movement' within the West. I can easily understand for having such a thing in Iran, Saudi Arabia or Pakistan.

     right ... ex-Muslims from west should go to the lands where ISLAM IS THE STATE RELIGION ., yes that is what one should do  .,Why dear Ward_End? you don't like ex-Muslims ?? You don't want to see their head on their body??

    Quote
    I prefer pushing back against religious bullying rather than creating 'movements' of persuasion. At least that's what I saw from lamd arge parts of this 'movement'.

      what does that "pushing back" means??   So you are saying, Ex_Muslims   should  go to Pakistan, Saudi Arabia , Iran  and use same bullying tactics that Muslim crowd use ??

    Well what can I say?  I just read the news

    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/3/12/saudi-arabia-executes-81-people-in-a-single-day 

    There the KING_DOOM Government is doing ., but in the lands you suggested the crowd will do it ., You can shout at KING_DOOM Governments  but you can not do it if the crowd with Islamic mind set does the same thing ., Such is the case with  Mashal Khan

    https://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=30876.0

    https://gandhara.rferl.org/a/student-lynching-for-blasphemy-still-haunts-pakistani-university/31203447.html

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XogKU-4TJ5M

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Apostasy Alternative
     Reply #111 - March 14, 2022, 01:50 PM

    Quote
    right ... ex-Muslims from west should go to the lands where ISLAM IS THE STATE RELIGION ., yes that is what one should do


    Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying  Roll Eyes
  • Apostasy Alternative
     Reply #112 - March 14, 2022, 06:51 PM

    right ... ex-Muslims from west should go to the lands where ISLAM IS THE STATE RELIGION


    he means there’s a different situation for muslims in western countries versus elsewhere so the exmuslim response should be different too.

    heck, the musiim experience is different even between social classes within western countries so the the idea of single exmuslim movement/community is as fanciful as the idea of a global ummah.

    I’m sure they had good intentions but it was all wrongheaded from the start.

  • Apostasy Alternative
     Reply #113 - March 15, 2022, 01:44 PM

    Quote
    Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying  Roll Eyes

    he means there’s a different situation for muslims in western countries versus elsewhere so the exmuslim response should be different too.

    heck, the musiim experience is different even between social classes within western countries so the the idea of single exmuslim movement/community is as fanciful as the idea of a global ummah.

    I’m sure they had good intentions but it was all wrongheaded from the start.



    Oh my .. all that is for what I said to Ward_End .. here at 

    https://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=31720.msg892937#msg892937

    dear crumble and Ward_End ., with few words you guys put lot of food for thought on my plate..   those two responses of yours need  a detailed discussion on Islam as faith and its origins .. so we will do in time.,  BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE MORE FROM WARD_END ....... not just rolling eyes  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes ...... lol.. that is a cute emoticon ....

    meanwhile let me watch this.,   watch and drink some from coke

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7D4vNcK6D38

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BE0bhXbHgGk 

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Apostasy Alternative
     Reply #114 - March 15, 2022, 09:26 PM

    Quote
    BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE MORE FROM WARD_END ....... not just rolling eyes


    You can see this, I'm glad he's out:
    Quote
    Saudi blogger Raif Badawi - jailed and sentenced to 1,000 lashes for "insulting Islam online" - has been freed, his wife says.

    "Raif called me. He is free," Ensaf Haidar told AFP news agency from Canada, where she fled with the couple's three children.

    The blogger's first 50 lashes caused a global outcry and he became an emblem of rights abuses in the country.

    There has been no official Saudi comment on his release.


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-60714086.amp

  • Apostasy Alternative
     Reply #115 - March 16, 2022, 08:52 AM

    sounds like a token release to coincide with boris trip to saudi so meh.

    this is a much a better release.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AeE-qehNrYU&feature=youtu.be
  • Apostasy Alternative
     Reply #116 - March 17, 2022, 12:37 PM

    [quotesounds like a token release to coincide with boris trip to saudi so meh.][/quote]

    It says his sentence was up on March 1st. He's been in jail for ten years by now. Speaking of Boris and his Saudi trip...

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QyOjkHXOb5U&t=17s
  • Apostasy Alternative
     Reply #117 - March 18, 2022, 02:24 PM

    The sun is out so means skimpy clothing can’t be too far behind. Yup, people-watching is a good alternative to apostasy!
  • Apostasy Alternative
     Reply #118 - March 19, 2022, 11:35 AM

    Some polemicists among Christians, having seen the scale of conversions from Christianity to Islam, got into the idea of propagating false conversions in the opposite direction. It is not a question here of denying this reality, but simply of exposing the false accounts of conversion which circulate on the Internet.
    So, in my opinion, this “testimony” should be classified under the rubric of “ignorants pretending to be ex-Muslims”.

    There are so many on the internet,




    Arsenal midfielder Thomas Partey has converted to Islam,

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FUelNDfzi0




    \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\







    Whoever leaves Islam must be killed.

    False in the vast majority of cases. True under certain conditions.

    in the Qur’an  kill the apostate  in one case, which is
    The state of war when this person joins the enemy and reveals the secrets of his country to the enemies and exposes people to occupation and killing



    A verse : “There is no compulsion in Faith. The correct way has become distinct from the erroneous. Now, whoever rejects the Tāghūt (the Rebel, the Satan) and believes in Allah has a firm grasp on the strongest ring that never breaks. Allah is All-Hearing, All-Knowing. "(Quran, 2: 256)

    Another "And had your Lord willed, those on earth would have believed - all of them entirely. Then, [O Muḥammad], would you compel the people in order that they become believers? (Quran, 10:99)

    In the exceptional case that we are in a situation of war, this is absolutely true, because whoever leaves his religion is guilty of treason in the eyes of an entire community and threatens the safety of many people. And in all the societies that have existed on this planet, not just in Islam, the traitors have always received the heaviest sentences.

    “It is impossible that an individual who studies the personality of the great Prophet of the Arabs, how he lived and educated the people, does not feel a deep esteem and a great respect for this honorable Prophet, one of the great Messengers of 'Allah'






    The apostate is punished with death!
    in the bible

    2 If a man or woman living among you in one of the towns the Lord gives you is found doing evil in the eyes of the Lord your God in violation of his covenant, 3 and contrary to my command has worshiped other gods, bowing down to them or to the sun or the moon or the stars in the sky, 4 and this has been brought to your attention, then you must investigate it thoroughly. If it is true and it has been proved that this detestable thing has been done in Israel, 5 take the man or woman who has done this evil deed to your city gate and stone that person to death. 6 On the testimony of two or three witnesses a person is to be put to death, but no one is to be put to death on the testimony of only one witness. 7 The hands of the witnesses must be the first in putting that person to death, and then the hands of all the people. You must purge the evil from among you.
     ” (Deuteronomy 17,2-7)



    The Annotated Bible (Deuteronomy 17,2) says this:

    17.2 2 to 7 Attempt to introduce idolatry.

    This case, already assumed at 13.6-11, is repeated here from the point of view of the procedure to be followed. It is developed at length, for the reason that the penalty to be applied is death.

    We note that whoever turns to another religion must be immediately killed according to the order of God, without any distinction whether he is male or female! By worshiping other than their own and abandoning their religion, they submit to the supreme punishment of death!

    Other verses stipulate this death penalty for the apostate or for one who blasphemes the name of the Lord.



    “If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying, “Let us go and worship other gods” (gods that neither you nor your ancestors have known, 7 gods of the peoples around you, whether near or far, from one end of the land to the other), 8 do not yield to them or listen to them. Show them no pity. Do not spare them or shield them. 9 You must certainly put them to death. Your hand must be the first in putting them to death, and then the hands of all the people. 10 Stone them to death, because they tried to turn you away from the Lord your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery. 11 Then all Israel will hear and be afraid, and no one among you will do such an evil thing again.
    ” (Deuteronomy 13,6-11)


    This passage specifies that if a person of your family (let us understand here the term “family” to designate the descendants of the 12 tribes of Israel) invites you to worship other gods, and asks you to apostasy just as that person did. apostasized, it is then necessary to have the death penalty applied (by stoning)
    حكم المرتد في الاسلام - ذاكر نايك Dr Zakir Naik about killing murtad in islam

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbsejG--znc
  • Apostasy Alternative
     Reply #119 - March 20, 2022, 02:07 AM

    Quote from: akay
    “It is impossible that an individual who studies the personality of the great Prophet of the Arabs, how he lived and educated the people, does not feel a deep esteem and a great respect"


    yep, I'm feeling it.

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