Skip navigation
Sidebar -

Advanced search options →

Welcome

Welcome to CEMB forum.
Please login or register. Did you miss your activation email?

Donations

Help keep the Forum going!
Click on Kitty to donate:

Kitty is lost

Recent Posts


Qur'anic studies today
Today at 05:02 PM

Kashmir endgame
Today at 04:07 PM

UKIP's Anne-Marie Waters ...
Today at 09:46 AM

Book Review: British Musl...
Today at 09:27 AM

Pro Israel or Pro Palesti...
Today at 08:30 AM

Hijabi solves gym quandry
Yesterday at 07:20 PM

Ukip boss: No moderation ...
Yesterday at 06:44 PM

Richard Dawkins...
Yesterday at 05:04 PM

Female role models
Yesterday at 04:34 PM

Scientists and .............
August 22, 2019, 07:27 PM

Zakir Naik..Islamic Hero ...
August 22, 2019, 07:04 PM

NayaPakistan...New Pakist...
August 21, 2019, 07:01 PM

Theme Changer

 Topic: Happy-clappy reformers

 (Read 95 times)
  • 1« Previous thread | Next thread »
  • Happy-clappy reformers
     OP - August 12, 2019, 07:15 PM

    Is this reform or vacuous nonsense?

    Quote from:
    How would you describe your role? Do you see yourself as a critic of Islam or rather as an Islamic reformer?

    Irshad Manji: If I criticize anything, it is the behaviour and not the ideals for which Islam stands. The behaviour of Muslims does not do justice to the generous, compassionate and benevolent spirit of the Koran. My message is that Allah and love are indeed compatible and that we as Muslims must express this in our actions. It is up to us to prove that we are capable of allowing spiritual diversity within our ranks.


    https://en.qantara.de/content/interview-with-irshad-manji-i-consider-it-wrong-to-say-that-muslims-are-incapable-of-reform?qt-nodes_popularity=0
  • Happy-clappy reformers
     Reply #1 - August 12, 2019, 09:03 PM

    Is this reform or vacuous nonsense?  ....Interview with Irshad Manji  date  ...Date: 30.12.2011
     

    crumble throws out a link and and asks simple question....

    that interview is 11 year old.....ELEVEN YEAR Oooold..., if you ask the same question today she may change her views..  and on that note let me give the link of her book


    click the picture download the pdf file ..read it and tell me what is good and what is bad in her book.. and where as I read this book    The Holy Quran


    Quote
    24.33.  Let those who cannot afford to marry keep themselves chaste until God grants them sufficiency out of His bounty. And if any of those whom your right hands possess desire to enter into a contract with you to purchase their freedom, make this contract with them if you know that they are honest (and able to earn without begging and be good, free citizens). Help them out of God's wealth which He has granted you. And do not compel your slave-girls to prostitution in order to seek the (fleeting) benefits of the life of this world while they desire to remain chaste. If anyone compels them to prostitution, then God will be All-Forgiving, All-Compassionate to them after they are subjected to such compulsion.

    وَلْيَسْتَعْفِفِ الَّذِينَ لَا يَجِدُونَ نِكَاحاً حَتَّى يُغْنِيَهُمْ اللَّهُ مِن فَضْلِهِ وَالَّذِينَ يَبْتَغُونَ الْكِتَابَ مِمَّا مَلَكَتْ أَيْمَانُكُمْ فَكَاتِبُوهُمْ إِنْ عَلِمْتُمْ فِيهِمْ خَيْراً وَآتُوهُم مِّن مَّالِ اللَّهِ الَّذِي آتَاكُمْ وَلَا تُكْرِهُوا فَتَيَاتِكُمْ عَلَى الْبِغَاء إِنْ أَرَدْنَ تَحَصُّناً لِّتَبْتَغُوا عَرَضَ الْحَيَاةِ الدُّنْيَا وَمَن يُكْرِههُّنَّ فَإِنَّ اللَّهَ مِن بَعْدِ إِكْرَاهِهِنَّ غَفُورٌ رَّحِيمٌ

    Quote
    33. Let those who cannot afford to marry keep themselves chaste until God grants them sufficiency out of His bounty.20 And if any of those whom your right hands possess desire to enter into a contract with you to purchase their freedom, make this contract with them if you know that they are honest (and able to earn without begging and be good, free citizens).21 Help them out of God's wealth which He has granted you. And do not compel your slave-girls to prostitution in order to seek the (fleeting) benefits of the life of this world while they desire to remain chaste. If anyone compels them to prostitution, then God will be All-Forgiving, All-Compassionate to them after they are subjected to such compulsion.

    20. God's Messenger, upon him be peace and blessings, said: "O young people! Those among you who can afford to marry should do so, for it will help you to keep your gaze averted and enable you to preserve your chastity. Whoever cannot afford to marry, let him fast; for fasting blunts sexual passion" (al-Bukhārī, "Kitāb an-Nikāh." 2) He also said: "There are three types of Muslims whom God binds Himself to help: he who marries to preserve his chastity; he who enters into contract to purchase his freedom and sincerely intends to pay the amount; and he who goes out on God's way for jihād" (at-Tirmidhī, "Fadāil al-Jihād," 20).

    21. Such type of agreements also pertain to prisoners of war.

    Here I deem it useful to quote from Fetullah Gülen concerning the outlining aspects of an Islamic social system:

    What is of great significance in such commandments is that the duties entrusted to modern states are those that Islam refers to society and classifies, in order of importance, as "absolutely necessary, relatively necessary, and commendable to carry out." The Qur'ān includes the following passages: O you who believe! Come in full submission to God, all of you (2: 208); O you who believe! Spend (in God's cause) out of the pure, wholesome things you have earned, and of what We have produced for you from the earth (2: 267); Such of your women as have committed indecency (adultery), you must have four male witnesses of you who (having seen them in the act) will testify against them (4: 15); God commands you to deliver trusts (including public and professional duties of service) to those entitled to them; and when you judge between people, to judge with justice (4: 58); O you who believe! Be upholders and standard-bearers of justice, bearing witness to the truth for God's sake, even though it be against your own selves, or parents or kindred (4: 135); And if they (the enemies) incline to peace, incline to it also, and place your trust in God (8: 61); O you who believe! If some transgressor brings you news (that requires taking action), verify it carefully (before you believe and act upon it), lest you harm a people in ignorance and then become regretful for what you have done (49: 6); If two parties of believers fall to fighting, make peace between them (and act promptly) (49: 9). In short, the Qur'ān addresses the entire community and assigns it almost all the duties that are entrusted to modern states.

    People cooperate with one another by sharing these duties and establishing the essential institutions that are necessary to perform them. The government is composed of these institutions. Thus, Islam recommends a government that is based on a social contract. People elect the administrators and establish a council to debate common issues. Also, the society as a whole participates in auditing the administration. Particularly during the rule of the first four Caliphs (632–661), the fundamental principles of government mentioned above were fully observed. The political system was transformed into a sultanate after the death of ‘Ali, the fourth Caliph, due to internal conflicts and the global conditions of the time. Unlike during the caliphate, power in the sultanate was passed on through the sultan's family. However, even though elections were no longer held, societies maintained the other principles.

    Islam is an inclusive religion. It is based on the belief in one God as the Creator, Lord, Sustainer, and Administrator of the universe. Islam is the religion of the whole universe. That is, the entire universe obeys the laws laid down by God, so everything in the universe is "Muslim" and obeys God by submitting to His laws. Even a person who refuses to believe in God or follows another religion has perforce to be a Muslim as far as their physical existence is concerned. Throughout their entire life, from the embryonic stage to the body's dissolution into dust after death, every tissue of their muscles, and every limb of their body, follows the course prescribed for each by God's law. Thus, in Islam, God, nature, and humanity are neither remote from each other nor are they alien to each other. It is God Who makes Himself known to humanity through nature and humanity itself, and nature and humanity are the two books of creation through which each word of God is known. This leads humankind to look upon everything as belonging to the same Lord, to whom it itself belongs, so that it regards nothing in the universe as alien. (A Muslim's) sympathy, love, and service do not remain confined to the people of any particular race, color, or ethnicity. The Prophet, upon him be peace and blessings, summed this up with the command, "O servants of God, be brothers (and sisters)!"

    A separate, but equally important point is that Islam recognizes the Divinely-inspired religions that predated it. It accepts all the Prophets and Books sent to different peoples in different epochs of history. Not only does it accept them, but it also regards belief in them as being an essential principle of being a Muslim. In this way, Islam acknowledges the basic unity of all religions. A Muslim is at the same time a true follower of Abraham, Moses, David, Jesus, and of all the other Hebrew Prophets, upon them all be peace. This belief explains why both Christians and Jews enjoyed their religious rights under the rule of Islamic governments throughout history.

    The Islamic social system seeks to form a virtuous society and thereby gain God's approval. It recognizes right, not force, as the foundation of social life. Hostility is unacceptable. Relationships must be based on belief, love, mutual respect, assistance, and understanding instead of conflict and the pursuit of personal interests. Social education encourages people to pursue lofty ideals and to strive for perfection, not just to run after their own desires. The pursuit of what is right demands unity, virtues bring mutual support and solidarity, and belief secures brother- and sisterhood. Encouraging the soul to attain perfection brings happiness in both worlds. (A Comparative Approach, SAIS Review, vol. XXI, no. 2, 136–137)



    well that is tafsir from that Quran verse  24.33 and that is   from  that  Ali Ünal's  book ....... "A  NEW APPROACH TO QURAN  ...    He was born on 19 January 1955 in Uşak, province of Turkey  and  is a Turkish author. He is often associated with the Gülen Movement, an Islamic group in Turkey.  In addition to being an author, Ali Ünal is a prolific translator of works with an Islamic theme into English, and has translated into English many works by Fethullah Gülen, .. NOW HE IS IN JAIL IN TURKEY FOR THE PAST 6 YEARS

    I wonder whether that is from holy Quran   or FROM A HOLE IN THE QURAN ...and I am NOT SURE  HOW MANY HOLES WE HAVE IN QURAN
     
    with best wishes
    yeezevee

    Do not let silence become your legacy  
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Happy-clappy reformers
     Reply #2 - August 13, 2019, 11:58 AM

    It seems my search engine produces random old results - the perils of a non-google platform.

    I don't believe it's ethical to pirate even bad books so here's a review that confirms my preconceived notions.

    Quote from:
    Allah, Liberty & Love is disheartening. Its scholarship is cut-and-paste. Throughout, Manji leans heavily on e-mail and Facebook correspondence with her followers, reproducing dozens of such interchanges (self-congratulatory ripostes intact) to stultifying effect. A cacophony of repetitive electronic dialogues (reproduced verbatim in the vernacular SMS text that increasingly passes for English) reveal an animated but uninformed following of Muslims who seek answers from Manji, yet lack access to serious scholars. This is little more satisfying than stumbling over a Facebook forum.


    https://www.theglobeandmail.com/arts/books-and-media/allah-liberty-love-by-irshad-manji/article584392/
  • 1« Previous thread | Next thread »