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OP - August 03, 2019, 11:09 PM

Hold provocative pilgrimages, invite armed attacks, deploy more troops, scrap special status protections, implement large scale demographic change.

A straightforward plan for ethnic cleansing.

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A government order in Indian-administered Kashmir on Friday asked tourists and Hindu pilgrims visiting a Himalayan cave shrine "to curtail their stay" in the disputed territory, citing security concerns and intensifying tensions following India's announcement it was sending more troops to the region.

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The advisory is likely to escalate the tensions in the region, which has been on edge since last week when India announced it was deploying at least 10,000 more soldiers to one of the world's most militarized areas. The troop buildup has sparked fears that New Delhi is planning to scrap an Indian constitutional provision that disallows Indians from buying land in the Muslim-majority region.

https://www.bellinghamherald.com/news/nation-world/world/article233431907.html
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Reply #1 - August 04, 2019, 08:06 PM

Quote from: crumble on August 03, 2019, 11:09 PM
Hold provocative pilgrimages, invite armed attacks, deploy more troops, scrap special status protections, implement large scale demographic change.

A straightforward plan for ethnic cleansing.

https://www.bellinghamherald.com/news/nation-world/world/article233431907.html

Hmm... bellinghamherald.com ...Hamherald.? strange news paper

but that guy Aijaz Hussain is having pictures With that Indian Prime minsiter https://twitter.com/iameraijaz

well the news from other side of the border says

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Former IoK chief ministers Mufti, Abdullah placed under house arrest; curfew-like restrictions imposed

ormer chief ministers of Indian-occupied Kashmir (IoK) Omar Abdullah and Mehbooba Mufti were placed under house arrest late Sunday night as the Indian government also imposed a curfew.

“As per the order there shall be no movement of public and all educational institutions shall also remain closed,” the Indian government ordered, in a statement obtained by AFP.

Omar Abdullah took to Twitter to say that he was being placed under house arrest and that a similar process had already started for other leaders.

"I believe I’m being placed under house arrest from midnight tonight and the process has already started for other mainstream leaders. No way of knowing if this is true but if it is then I’ll see all of you on the other side of whatever is in store. Allah save us," he wrote on Twitter...

which is equally bad..

I could solve ALL SUCH PROBLEMS as Palestine........ Kashmir............chechnya......Rohangi...Nigeria.... Iran/Iraq/Syria/Saudi Arabia/Yemen... Egypt ..... etc..etc.. problem with one statement and with one stroke in one year IF NOT IN ONE MONTH ...dear crumble

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Reply #2 - August 04, 2019, 10:07 PM

Thread on the situation in Kashmir: https://mobile.twitter.com/KarakMufti/status/1158119636975726595

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Reply #3 - August 04, 2019, 10:21 PM

Quote from: yeezevee on August 04, 2019, 08:06 PM
Hmm... bellinghamherald.com ...Hamherald.? strange news paper

My search engine favours obscure news outlets.

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I could solve ALL SUCH PROBLEMS as Palestine........ Kashmir............chechnya......Rohangi...Nigeria.... Iran/Iraq/Syria/Saudi Arabia/Yemen... Egypt ..... etc..etc.. problem with one statement and with one stroke in one year IF NOT IN ONE MONTH ...dear crumble

Do you link those different places by religion? and what statement will solve all of their problems?

Quote from: zeca on August 04, 2019, 10:07 PM
Thread on the situation in Kashmir: https://mobile.twitter.com/KarakMufti/status/1158119636975726595

Internet, cable tv and mobile services cut. So-called kashmiri leaders on house arrest. Not seen any coverage on western news channels yet.
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Reply #4 - August 04, 2019, 10:34 PM

The Guardian has a report: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/aug/04/heightened-security-and-anxiety-in-kashmir-amid-fears-of-unrest

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Reply #5 - August 05, 2019, 08:50 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FLq8GA3g6M

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YHqlMtbDZfI

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https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-40897522

Article 35A: Why a special law on Kashmir is controversial

Article 35A of the constitution allows the legislature of Indian-administered Kashmir to define the state's "permanent residents" and what distinguishes them. It applies to all of Indian-administered Kashmir, including Jammu and Ladakh.

All identified residents are issued a permanent resident certificate, which entitles them to special benefits related to employment, scholarships and other privileges. But the biggest advantage for permanent residents is that only they have the right to own and, therefore, buy, property in the state

read it all at the bbc link

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Reply #6 - August 05, 2019, 01:22 PM

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A move to strip Jammu and Kashmir of its special status under the Constitution was cleared by the Rajya Sabha on Friday, seven hours after Home Minister Amit Shah introduced a resolution to cancel the provision that had continued to be part of the Constitution for nearly seven decades. The Rajya Sabha also cleared a bill to divide the state into two union territories, one for Ladakh and the second for Jammu and Srinagar regions.

https://m.hindustantimes.com/india-news/it-s-historic-says-amit-shah-as-rajya-sabha-votes-to-strip-j-k-of-special-status/story-3J50m0XeN3XNNaU7sSt9RL.html
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Reply #7 - August 05, 2019, 06:16 PM

Some more detail.

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The Indian government, he said, is tabling a bill to reorganise the state. Under the plan, the state shall immediately cease to exist. The region would be divided into two Union Territories. Ladakh, which is a vast region, but sparsely populated by Buddhists and Muslims, will be a separate unit with no legislative body.

While some Ladakhis have long demanded Union Territory status, it has finally come, but it has also taken away their democratic rights of representation.

The second unit will be Jammu and Kashmir, which will have a legislature, but this legislature would have very limited powers. In the Indian system, the Union Territories have a status below the states. UTs typically have no control over “law and order” which means, for instance, that the Jammu and Kashmir Police will cease to exist. More significantly, UTs also have no control over land, which means the Indian government will determine how land is to be used or settled in Kashmir.

This is the sum of all the fears that Kashmiris have been articulating through their protests and resistance for the last seventy years.

A full-blown settler colonial project has begun in Kashmir.

https://www.trtworld.com/opinion/and-kashmiris-shall-immediately-cease-to-exist-28778
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Reply #8 - August 06, 2019, 01:19 PM

PM Imran Khan Historic Speech On Kashmir In Parliament Joint Session

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RwxX-QA4SME

Joint Session Of Parliament On Kashmir Issue

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynKpcCNYvvU

Shahbaz Sharif Complete Speech on Kashmir in Joint Session of Parliament

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pmSYvUmVhw

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Reply #9 - August 06, 2019, 01:24 PM

DG ISPR Pakistan General Asif Ghafoor On Kashmir Issue

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dnv5PrefmZA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0oaDZHV-Ow

dear Imran please watch that video below

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQGhbm7ygkY

.. And that guy apparently is elected member of parliament from Ladakh India and let every Pakistan corner do what that guy from Ladakh did in that Indian Parliament ., Pakistan IS NOT just east Punjab.....Pakistan is NOT JUST ISLAM.. it is more than that. The people .. the country must realize that ... try to work hard to make BORDER LESS CONTINENT From Bangladesh to Persia including way to Afghanistan., Let the faith "Islam" is personal.. NOT political and let the faith Islam solely depend on Quran not stupid silly nonsense stories from hadith.....

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Reply #10 - August 07, 2019, 06:34 PM

Pakistan expels Indian envoy says news..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMuW-Ak-55A

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDTG8GwwC7k

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEHSQJCMo4U

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Reply #11 - August 08, 2019, 02:58 PM

India Shocks Kashmir | Najam Sethi Show | 5 Aug 2019

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMFxrSJUWf4

Sheikh Rasheed Press Conference On Kashmir | 8 August 2019

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJvz9L2Mo1Q

Sethi Saab......Najam Sethi Sahab ... you depressed me.... you really depressed me with your talk... A year back I stopped drinking.... Now after watching and hearing you I need a drink

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Reply #12 - August 08, 2019, 06:01 PM

What's behind the decision to revoke the status of Indian administered Kashmir? ~~| Inside Story~~

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RaMKNOT3no

Al Jazeera is funded in whole or in part by the Qatari government. that is from Al Jazeera and THAT IS NOT INSIDE STORY.. but outside story

Guests:

Barkha Dutt - Columnist and Author of 'This Unquiet Land: Stories from India's Fault Lines'.

Mirza Waheed - Kashmiri Journalist, Novelist and Author of 'The Book of Gold Leaves' and 'Tell Her Everything'.

Victoria Schofield - Writer, Historian and South Asia Affairs Analyst. And Author of 'Kashmir in Conflict: India, Pakistan and the Unending War

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Off The Record | Kashif Abbasi | ARYNews | 5th August 2019

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jiYzQqxI03I

that is inside story and it is real...

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Reply #13 - August 09, 2019, 04:11 PM

Asif Zardari Strong Speech on Kashmir in Parliament Joint Session

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=voX39idB1ac

Former President Asif Zardari Strong Speech on Kashmir in Parliament Joint Session | 7 August 2019

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xiWISLpfEYo

PM Imran Khan Historic Speech in Joint Session of Parliament on Kashmir | SAMAA TV | 06 August 2019

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fh0iG8eY934

Kashmir is ‘’DESTINED TO BE FREE’’ From INDIA...How? | Zamana Gawah Hai .. beginning of Jihad

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Reply #14 - August 10, 2019, 01:13 PM

HARD TALK PAKISTAN | 9 August 2019 | Dr. Moeed Pirzada | Gen R Ijaz Awan | Hassan Shad

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-HHDfl6ESQ

Moeed I am not sure how you got doctorate degree .. but you are NOT using common sense ., what Indians did is smartly KEEPING THAT SIMLA agreement as such but splitting the state in to three parts ..Kashmir Valley., Jammu....and Laddakh.

If people of Valley doesn't like that Indians will go back to resolution 365 and that will be ONLY to Kashmir Valley., and on top of that they will also add Pakistani Occupied Kashmir + Galgit in to that resolution 365., They effectively killed two birds with one stroke . People of Jammu will like what India did and people of Laddakh will like that having their own union territory or even a Statehood

Kashmir Valley may not like that but watch what that Laddakh member of parliament of India saying..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYgF53noEe4

dr. . Moeed Pirzada watch what that guy did in Indian Parliament., That is what elected members of Pakistan states from Baluchistan., NWFP., AJK and Galgit elected members need to speak in PAKISTANI PARLIAMENT ................. ELECTED NOT SELECTED..........

Pakistan is NOT just Punjab and and small part of Sind that is ruled by Bhutto/Zardaris .. It is not just Lahore...Faisalabad... Karachi ., The fools talking on Pak TV does not seem to realize religious demography of Jammu and Laddakh., Indians did very smart thing separating Jammu..Laddakh from Kashmir Valley .. and on top of all this 1. India itself has More Muslim folks than Pakistan., 2nd we know what happened in East Pakistan.. that became Bangladesh ... the only way to beat India in their games is the way Pak Army payed in 90s and until 2005 or so ... THE RELIGIOUS GAME...

So now there is no use., In fact Indians are going to claim that Galgit and Pakistan occupied Kashmir for applying their resolution 365

Now dr. Moeed Pirzada Sahab on your TV time... at least make people of Pakistan to learn .. the culture and the languages of each state in the country as you see in the above picture ., Land wise as well as RESOURCES WISE Pakistan is still bigger than countries like Turkey, France, Sweden, Japan, Germany Italy..etc... So Let us make present Pakistan Stronger and better in economy and EDUCATION under Imran Khan., And let us make Faith as Personal relation with Allah., Not a relation with fuckinh Mullhas and shouting brutal crowd that kill people in the name of Blasphemy ., I tell you Moeed Pirzada .. Allah forbid if something Happens to Imran Khan even PTI will fall like sand castle . THERE ARE NO LEADERS IN PAKISTAN So time is short ..

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Reply #15 - August 10, 2019, 01:31 PM

Quote from: yeezevee on August 10, 2019, 01:13 PM
Pakistan is NOT just Punjab and and small part of Sind that is ruled by Bhutto/Zardaris .. It is not just Lahore...Faisalabad... Karachi ., The fools talking on Pak TV does not seem to realize religious demography of Jammu and Laddakh., Indians did very smart thing separating Jammu..Laddakh from Kashmir Valley .. and on top of all this 1. India itself has More Muslim folks than Pakistan., 2nd we know what happened in East Pakistan.. that became Bangladesh ... the only way to beat India in their games is the way Pak Army payed in 90s and until 2005 or so ... THE RELIGIOUS GAME...

the idea that you can partition land on the basis of religion has always been bonkers.
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Reply #16 - August 10, 2019, 01:45 PM

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the idea that you can partition land on the basis of religion has always been bonkers.

well every one starts killing everyone in the name of faith partition is better than live together and kill each other.. that was the times right after colonial rule.... but now times are different dear crumble..

let me watch these guys the...............tehreek-e-labbaik pakistan.........................

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRY_DN5IoU8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqiUzhhID4o

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Reply #17 - August 10, 2019, 05:27 PM

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well every one starts killing everyone in the name of faith partition is better than live together and kill each other.. that was the times right after colonial rule.... but now times are different dear crumble..

yet mixed communities in europe coexist peacefully in general.

partitioning territory between competing muslim and hindu majorities is the foundation stone of today's problems.
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Reply #18 - August 10, 2019, 10:12 PM

indian govt spokesmen are spending a lot effort in denying reality. who would be persuaded that kashmiris are happy with recent events?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/49306816/article-370-tear-gas-at-kashmir-rally-india-denies-happened
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Reply #19 - August 12, 2019, 05:18 PM

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indian govt spokesmen are spending a lot effort in denying reality. who would be persuaded that kashmiris are happy with recent events?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/49306816/article-370-tear-gas-at-kashmir-rally-india-denies-happened

we are living in 21st century .. Indian Govt can do what the want but PUBLIC NEWS ON WHAT ACTUALLY HAPPENING ON THE GROUND WILL BE THERE ON WEB....

Those who are interested in the welfare Indian subcontinent over all must read some early history of India.. Islamic and non-Islamic .. on that note let me add aa booklet here

Indian Muslmans.pdf by William Wilson Hunter 1876 ....

good book to read., in 1876 .. under British rule whole continent used to called as India

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Reply #20 - August 14, 2019, 05:22 PM

taking a mini-break from solely identifying as british muslims, some have decided to remember their land of origin by working themselves up into an emotional state.

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Of the 1.1 million British Pakistanis, more than one million originate from the part of Kashmir governed by Pakistan.

While there are no official figures for the number of Indian Kashmiris in Britain, the overall British Indian community numbers almost 1.4 million and support for India’s position is strong among some sections.

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“It’s a very sensitive issue for both communities and I’m worried that it could damage relations between the two. We have to make sure that whatever we do, it does not spill over into unrest or hatred between British Indians and Pakistanis,” said Raja Sikander Khan, a London-based campaigner on Kashmir human rights.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/aug/11/kashmir-tensions-spill-over-to-britain-pakistani-indian-communities
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Reply #21 - August 17, 2019, 01:52 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbWNHDyquX4

Well that is what Indians are saying....and this side of the story is

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDjiIs0cqDg

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Reply #22 - August 17, 2019, 02:03 PM

Pakistan reacts to UN Security Council Jammu & Kashmir meeting

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6iX16efq_4

India reacts to UN Security Council Jammu & Kashmir meeting

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9zYDwH9d0E

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Reply #23 - August 18, 2019, 02:14 PM

At least 4,000 detained in occupied Kashmir since India took away autonomy: ..........Pakistan govt sources.... says Dawn news with this picture

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Thousands of people have been detained in Indian-occupied Kashmir over fears of unrest since New Delhi stripped the restive region of its autonomy two weeks ago, government sources told AFP.

A magistrate, speaking to AFP on condition of anonymity, said that at least 4,000 people were arrested and held under the Public Safety Act (PSA), a controversial law that allows authorities to imprison someone for up to two years without charge or trial.

“Most of them were flown out of Kashmir because prisons here have run out of capacity,” the magistrate said, adding that he had used a satellite phone allocated to him to collate the figures from colleagues across the Himalayan territory amid a communications blackout imposed by authorities.

well that is one news., In another news it says 63 killed, 182 wounded in Kabul wedding Suicide blast: official

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Reply #24 - August 18, 2019, 02:54 PM

Sheikh Rasheed Press Conference On Kashmir Issue In London | 17 Aug 2019

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJaZZ9Jkr0w

DUMBO... ....you are speaking in LONDON not in Lahore.. you are Supposed to get support for Kashmir from westerners not Pakistanis living in London...

AND STOP EATING In dharnas

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfeAMyuoerE

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Reply #25 - August 18, 2019, 03:01 PM

Support for Kashmir .. Pakistan discussions..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFi5UyB-neg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RK29jr9Gq2M

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YwcKN79o-Rg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FngqdXZQGqE

well that is what is going on with Kashmir .. the last one is from London...

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Reply #26 - August 18, 2019, 06:31 PM

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Sheikh Rasheed Press Conference On Kashmir Issue In London | 17 Aug 2019

people like him seem to be popular amongst british kashmiris.

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Definition of blowhard
: an arrogantly and pompously boastful or opinionated person : BRAGGART, WINDBAG

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/blowhard

I would guess that sikhs in punjab will face the next bjp crackdown.

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Kashmir move spells trouble for other Indian states

https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-asia-india-49329370
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Reply #27 - August 20, 2019, 12:30 PM

Indian born Nobel laureate Amartya Sen slams decision to revoke occupied Kashmir's special status says news

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Indian economist and Nobel laureate Amartya Sen has slammed the Narendra Modi-led government's decision to revoke occupied Kashmir's special status, saying that India had "lost the reputation" of being the world's first non-Western country to adopt a democratic system.

“As an Indian, I am not proud of the fact that India, after having done so much to achieve a democratic norm in the world, where India was the first non-Western country to go for democracy, that we lose that reputation on the grounds of action that have been taken,” he said in an interview with NDTV on Monday night......

Sen said that the decision to allow non-Kashmiris to buy property in the region should have been left for the Kashmiri residents because "it is their land".

"That is something for the Kashmiris to determine [...] If that is the will that the Kashmiris have on democratic grounds, we can accept it."

"This is something in which Kashmiris have a legitimate point of view because it is their land," he added.

He also criticised the imposition of a lockdown — that has been in place for over two weeks — in the occupied region as well as the arrests of Kashmiri leaders under the pretext of preventing violent protests in the valley, calling it a “colonial excuse”.

"That’s how the British ran the country for 200 years. The last thing that I expected when we got our independence.....is that we would go back to our colonial heritage of preventive detentions."....

well that is the news on Kashmir....

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Reply #28 - August 21, 2019, 12:06 AM

Najam Sethi Talks About Kashmir Issue | 20 August 2019 |

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9tbB7PnMMkg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6UwStUU5IQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPtxxkNJip0

1st one is Najam Sethi well known Pakistani Journalist and other two are from Indian journalist Arffa Khanum Sherwani..

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Reply #29 - August 21, 2019, 12:13 AM

PM Imran Khan Historic Speech In Azad Kashmir Assembly | SAMAA TV | 14 Aug 2019

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LpJwGSR72yE

PM Modi vows to 'restore' Kashmir's 'past glory' - BBC News
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-cnyqzhk-w

Indian TV debates on Kashmir
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1UZ_AWWRftc

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