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  • Scientists and ..........!
     Reply #30 - March 12, 2018, 05:43 AM

    In an islamic state if a non muslim killed a muslim he would be headed or crucified but if a muslim killed a non muslim he would have to pay a fine, can you deny that?
  • Scientists and ..........!
     Reply #31 - March 12, 2018, 05:46 AM

    "Kick out the mushrikin from Arabia." Christianity has practically declined in every country in the m middle east except Israel. Lol what is difference to the pact of Umar and what Isis was doing in Mosul, give me one difference?
  • Scientists and ..........!
     Reply #32 - March 12, 2018, 05:47 AM

    "Kick out the mushrikin from Arabia." Christianity has practically declined in every country in the m middle east except Israel. Lol what is the difference to the pact of Umar and what Isis was doing in Mosul, give me one difference?
  • Scientists and ..........!
     Reply #33 - March 12, 2018, 02:27 PM



        Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error: whoever rejects evil and believes in Allah hath grasped the most trustworthy hand-hold, that never breaks. And Allah heareth and knoweth all things.
        — trans. Yusuf Ali, Quran 2:256
  • Scientists and ..........!
     Reply #34 - March 12, 2018, 03:09 PM


       Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error: whoever rejects evil and believes in Allah hath grasped the most trustworthy hand-hold, that never breaks. And Allah heareth and knoweth all things.
        — trans. Yusuf Ali, Quran 2:256



      That is NOT  how you read Quran dear Patrick prophet pubh...  for example  if you like to read/write a verse from Quran .,   you must at least read/write 5 verses  below and 5 verses above the verse   of interest.,  so in the case of  2:256   YOU MUST READ Yusuf Ali translation from verse 251  to  262., here you go

    Quote
    2: 251 :    By Allah's will they routed them; and David slew Goliath; and Allah gave him power and wisdom and taught him whatever (else) He willed. And did not Allah Check one set of people by means of another, the earth would indeed be full of mischief: But Allah is full of bounty to all the worlds.

     
    2: 252:    These are the Signs of Allah: we rehearse them to thee in truth: verily Thou art one of the messengers.

     
    2: 253:    Those messengers We endowed with gifts, some above others: To one of them Allah spoke; others He raised to degrees (of honour); to Jesus the son of Mary We gave clear (Signs), and strengthened him with the holy spirit. If Allah had so willed, succeeding generations would not have fought among each other, after clear (Signs) had come to them, but they (chose) to wrangle, some believing and others rejecting. If Allah had so willed, they would not have fought each other; but Allah Fulfilleth His plan.

     
    2: 254:    O ye who believe! Spend out of (the bounties) We have provided for you, before the Day comes when no bargaining (Will avail), nor friendship nor intercession. Those who reject Faith they are the wrong-doers.

     
    2:  255:    Allah! There is no god but He,-the Living, the Self-subsisting, Eternal. No slumber can seize Him nor sleep. His are all things in the heavens and on earth. Who is there can intercede in His presence except as He permitteth? He knoweth what (appeareth to His creatures as) before or after or behind them. Nor shall they compass aught of His knowledge except as He willeth. His Throne doth extend over the heavens and the earth, and He feeleth no fatigue in guarding and preserving them for He is the Most High, the Supreme (in glory).

     
    2: 256:    Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error: whoever rejects evil and believes in Allah hath grasped the most trustworthy hand-hold, that never breaks. And Allah heareth and knoweth all things.

     
    2: 257:    Allah is the Protector of those who have faith: from the depths of darkness He will lead them forth into light. Of those who reject faith the patrons are the evil ones: from light they will lead them forth into the depths of darkness. They will be companions of the fire, to dwell therein (For ever).

     
    2: 258:    Hast thou not Turned thy vision to one who disputed with Abraham About his Lord, because Allah had granted him power? Abraham said: "My Lord is He Who Giveth life and death." He said: "I give life and death". Said Abraham: "But it is Allah that causeth the sun to rise from the east: Do thou then cause him to rise from the West." Thus was he confounded who (in arrogance) rejected faith. Nor doth Allah Give guidance to a people unjust.

     
    2:  259:    Or (take) the similitude of one who passed by a hamlet, all in ruins to its roofs. He said: "Oh! how shall Allah bring it (ever) to life, after (this) its death?" but Allah caused him to die for a hundred years, then raised him up (again). He said: "How long didst thou tarry (thus)?" He said: (Perhaps) a day or part of a day." He said: "Nay, thou hast tarried thus a hundred years; but look at thy food and thy drink; they show no signs of age; and look at thy donkey: And that We may make of thee a sign unto the people, Look further at the bones, how We bring them together and clothe them with flesh." When this was shown clearly to him, he said: "I know that Allah hath power over all things."

     
    2: 260:    When Abraham said: "Show me, Lord, how You will raise the dead, " He replied: "Have you no faith?" He said "Yes, but just to reassure my heart." Allah said, "Take four birds, draw them to you, and cut their bodies to pieces. Scatter them over the mountain-tops, then call them back. They will come swiftly to you. Know that Allah is Mighty, Wise."

     
    2: 261:    The parable of those who spend their substance in the way of Allah is that of a grain of corn: it groweth seven ears, and each ear Hath a hundred grains. Allah giveth manifold increase to whom He pleaseth: And Allah careth for all and He knoweth all things.

     
    2: 262:    Those who spend their substance in the cause of Allah, and follow not up their gifts with reminders of their generosity or with injury,-for them their reward is with their Lord: on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve


    read it....

    Do not let silence become your legacy  
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Scientists and ..........!
     Reply #35 - March 13, 2018, 03:03 PM


    Why

    Increase the numbers of adherents of Islam

    Of not less


    Christians Scientists
    And players and famous of Hollywood stars
    The world's rich

    And Yusuf Estes


    Sister's Wife of Tony Blair
    converted to Islam?

    Kaka (Brazil) - Ribeirah (France)


    liam nison\\  Log daughter of US President Bush in Islam

    Lawyers -Engineers- sued - an officer of the police and the army - the general public



    -So when he discovers that the real Holy Qur'an
    And discover the greatness and mercy of Islam
    Makes sure that the attempts to distort Islam, a liar and deceiver
    calm down and use your mind in the research and understanding
    And prepare to convert to Islam constantly increasing

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTqrOurm8KU


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOw1X4GIAYM


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xO5XGFLOBf0

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUNSBOKDNBU

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrSKNBhvApQ


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9D15CnSCMY

    I hope that you be honest with yourself before others


    Do not bother inventing lies about Islam
    Believe me, this comes with positive results
    With the vast majority of members
    Research and knowledge about Islam and convert to Islam

    I know a lot of ignorant
    Likes to attack Islam
    Just attack
    But
    This does not help
    Thank God
    Islam in increasing
    In a few years
    You will find many countries in Europe and America
    All Muslim population

    \\\
    you and they said

    All religions are a human disease.

    islam doesn't save anything, it destroys!

    religion can not stop a man from murdering stealing raping,



    dear brothers

    This is not true

    Why are the majority of Muslims do not kill and do not steal nor commit adultery nor raped girls?

    Why?

    The reason the desire to obey God and get God's blessing for a Muslim living in the age in the world and paradise in the afterlife

    As well as the fear of
    allah's punishment in the afterlife
  • Scientists and ..........!
     Reply #36 - March 13, 2018, 03:10 PM

    Pain Receptors

    For a long time it was thought that the sense of feeling and pain was dependent on the brain. However it has been discovered that there are pain receptors present in the skin[. Without these pain receptors, a person would not be able to feel pain.

    Consider the following verse on pain:

    “We shall send those who reject Our revelations to the (Hell) Fire. When their skins have been burned away, We shall replace them with new ones so that they may continue to feel the pain: God is Almighty, All-Wise.” (Quran 4:56)

    God tells the people who reject his message that when they are in Hell and their skins are burnt off (so they can’t feel any pain), he will give them new skins so that they continue to feel the pain.

    The Quran makes it clear that pain is dependent upon on the skin. The discovery of pain receptors in the skin is a fairly recent discovery for Biology.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WjKffO9607I

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25rLezuvzNE
  • Scientists and ..........!
     Reply #37 - March 13, 2018, 04:02 PM

    Pain Receptors

    For a long time it was thought that the sense of feeling and pain was dependent on the brain. However it has been discovered that there are pain receptors present in the skin[. Without these pain receptors, a person would not be able to feel pain.

    nonsense akay.,    dear cut the head of any species  and try putting fire on its skin,and try measuring  pain  or see how a species feels..

    Quote
    Consider the following verse on pain:

    “We shall send those who reject Our revelations to the (Hell) Fire. When their skins have been burned away, We shall replace them with new ones so that they may continue to feel the pain: God is Almighty, All-Wise.” (Quran 4:56)

    God tells the people who reject his message that when they are in Hell and their skins are burnt off (so they can’t feel any pain), he will give them new skins so that they continue to feel the pain.

    The Quran makes it clear that pain is dependent upon on the skin. The discovery of pain receptors in the skin is a fairly recent discovery for Biology.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WjKffO9607I

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25rLezuvzNE


    rubbish...utter rubbish  dear akay

    it is rubbish because  those are NOT words of some god /allha  but words of fools who knew nothing about biological science behind the pain..

    Do not let silence become your legacy  
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Scientists and ..........!
     Reply #38 - March 13, 2018, 04:31 PM

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=H4pax02vANwListej
    I'm not interested in listening to comedian Ahmed Deedat who called for the death of an innocent writer. I really don't care to hear some idiots who convert to Islam I've got better things to do then listen to people doing Stan up comedy on their way to Islam. Lol deen show have been busted the guy they presented in their video isn't a Christian scholar and he was already Muslim for 20 years. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hQ4tRCf1wJc
  • Scientists and ..........!
     Reply #39 - March 13, 2018, 04:33 PM

    Africa
    Muslims previously outnumbered Christians in sub-Saharan Africa. However, a study published in April 2010 by the Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life has found that Christians now outnumber Muslims by 2 to 1 making Islam a minority belief.

    The number of adherents to Christianity in sub-Saharan Africa grew from fewer than 9 million in 1910 to 516 million today, a 60-fold increase eclipsing the growth of Islam.

    America
    Contrary to what is often claimed, Islam is not the fastest growing religion in the United States. Here are the available facts:

    The ARIS polls 1990 and 2000 show that the percent of change for Islam was +109%. The percent of change for Nonreligious/Secular (+110%), Native American Religion (+119%), Buddhism (+170%), Baha'i (+200%), Hinduism (+237%), New Age (+240%), Sikhism (+338%) and Deism (+717%) were all higher.
    The American Religious Identification Survey gave Non-Religious groups the largest gain in terms of absolute numbers - 14,300,000 (8.4% of the population) to 29,400,000 (14.1% of the population) for the period 1990 to 2001 in the USA. Also, Americans with no religion were the fastest growing segment from 2001 to 2008.

    According to the Cultural Orientation Resource Center, 60% of all refugees admitted into the United States are from Muslim-majority countries. Likewise, a Pew report published in January 2011 found that "About two-thirds of the Muslims in the U.S. today (64.5%) are first-generation immigrants (foreign-born)".
    Contrary to the often-quoted figures provided by CAIR and in spite of the massive influx of Muslim refugees, a Pew survey carried-out in October 2009 found the estimate for the total Muslim population of the U.S to be at only 2.454 million. Percentage-wise, Islam represents only 0.8 percent of the United States' religious make-up. About a third of what had previously been claimed and widely accepted by many apologists and media outlets.
    According to research carried out by the respected Pakistani-born American Muslim Dr. Ilyas Ba-Yunus (1932 - 2007), 75% of new Muslim converts in the US leave Islam within a few years.
    According to Ahmed Nassef, the co-founder and editor in chief of MuslimWakeUp.com, less than 7 percent of American Muslims attend mosque regularly, compared with 38 percent of American Christians who attend church weekly.
    China
    Islam and Christianity both entered China during the 7th century,[20] and unreferenced claims have been made of around 100 million Muslims in China. However, most reliable estimates put the figures at 20 to 30 million Muslims (1.5% to 2% of the population).

    Similarly, some Christian organizations have claimed up to 130 million Christians in China. However, most reliable estimates range from 40 million (3% of the total population) to 54 million (4%), meaning the growth of Christianity in China is almost double that of Islam.

    Europe
    A United Nations' survey showed that between 1989 and 1998, Europe's Muslim population grew by more than 100 percent, due mainly to the effects of immigration from Muslim countries. Ontario Consultants on Religious Tolerance have an unsourced claim of 2.9 percent per year. And according to a Pew report published in January 2011, the future growth of Islam in Europe will be "driven primarily by continued migration.

    According to data from the extensive 2010 European Social Survey (ESS), Muslims immigrants who have lived less than a year in Europe regularly go to the mosque. But after they have lived more than a year in their new homeland, the figure drops to 48.8%. More than half rarely or never go to the mosque to pray.

    In the Netherlands, mosque attendance is actually dropping faster than church attendance. In 1998, 47 percent of Muslims would attend mosque at least once a month. This figure fell by 12 percent in 2008 to only 35 percent. Whilst church attendance for Catholics fell by only 8 percent, and church attendance amongst Protestants showed no change, remaining at 63 percent.

    United Kingdom
    It has been estimated that during 2001 - 2011, about 100,000 people converted to Islam in the United Kingdom, but 75 percent of these converts quickly left Islam, during this period. On the whole, there are about 200,000 apostates from Islam living in the UK, doubling the number that have converted.

    Similarly to the rest of Europe, the growth of Islam in the UK is primarily due to higher birthrates among Muslims (27 percent of Muslim families have three or more dependent children, compared with 14 percent of Sikh, 8 percent of Hindu, and 7 percent of Christian families) and immigration (54 percent of all UK Muslims are foreign born).

    A NOP poll of British Muslims commissioned by Channel 4 also found that 48% of Muslims never attend a mosque, with another 6% only attending for special occasions.

    Russia
    There is a wide spread belief that there are around 20 million Russian Muslims and that vast amounts of Russians are converting to Islam. However, there are only about 7 to 9 million Muslims in Russia and less than 3,000 ethnic Russians have converted to Islam within the last fifteen years.

    For the same period almost 2 million ethnic Muslims have become Orthodox Christians. Over 400 Russian Orthodox clergy belong to traditionally Muslim ethnic groups, 20 percent of Tatars are Christian, and 70 percent of interfaith marriages result in the Muslim spouse conversion to Christianity.
    If you waiting for Islam to grow then you better expect to be waiting for a long time lol.
  • Scientists and ..........!
     Reply #40 - March 13, 2018, 04:34 PM

    Akay sorry I don't believe in your demonic monster of a god so he can rant all he likes he can't do shit.
  • Scientists and ..........!
     Reply #41 - March 13, 2018, 04:36 PM

    Lol you can't prove my supposed lies down with your own words or evidence I'm not interested in listening to Ahmed Dedead and Zakir joker. Prove my lies down with facts not dumb Islamic propaganda videos.
  • Scientists and ..........!
     Reply #42 - March 14, 2018, 02:43 PM

    These things
      No unfounded
    Just lies
    Attack on Islam
    Deception

    All this did not benefit anyone
    Not in the past nor in the present
    Convert to Islam in all countries
    Increase does not decrease
    Infidel can become a good Muslim
    F or one reason
    Do not confuse culture, customs and traditions
    And between
     The correct Islamic approach

    This is something a treasure for the unbeliever
    His life changed for the better

    Can not abandon it
    40000 Americans convert to islam every year youtube

    70000 french convert to islam every year youtube

    and so on

    see here
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlELJIo5E5E

    If you want to know Islam properly
    [Must study the Qur'an and the Hadith]

    And not through acts of random people


    Because of this realization
    Islam in increasing
    In a few years
    You will find many countries in Europe and America
    All  population  Muslim

    40000 U.S.

    70000 French

    100000 Uk

    on A year
    And so on


     advice ^_^

    Do not tire yourself

    There are a lot of priests and monks are very good

    allah save them

    And send to them guidance

    And opens their eyes to the truth and to convert to Islam

    Publish the truth after recognition

    And shed tears after the light  of guidance an expression of joy

    So God praise those priests and monks

    110. You [true believers in Islamic Monotheism, and real followers of Prophet Muhammad and his Sunnah (legal ways, etc.)] Are the best of peoples ever raised up for mankind; you enjoin Al-Ma'ruf (ie Islamic Monotheism and all that Islam has ordained) and forbid Al-Munkar (polytheism, disbelief and all that Islam has forbidden), and you believe in Allah. And had the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians) believed, it would have been better for them; among them are some who have faith, but most of them are Al-Fasiqun (disobedient to Allah - and rebellious against Allah's Command).
    3. Surah Ale-Imran



    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZP3CN05CbI

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5J-9dn3_hpY

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3RwutglyXg
  • Scientists and ..........!
     Reply #43 - March 14, 2018, 04:13 PM

    Lol Yusuf etes the guy who said the Vatican existed before Jesus lol what a retard. Akay if I may ask where do you get your sources from? I'm not interested in watching Islamic propaganda videos, these are facts your religion is falling apart. Yet everything that tells the truth about your religion is an attack on Islam or a Zionist conspiracy theory, man grow up, you Muslims really need to grow the hell up. lol Muslims have been claiming since the 1990s that they would be the largest religim on earth in 2015 yet when the time came we found Islam even decreased.
  • Scientists and ..........!
     Reply #44 - March 14, 2018, 04:14 PM

    Lol Yusuf etes the guy who said the Vatican existed before Jesus lol what a retard. Akay if I may ask where do you get your sources from? I'm not interested in watching Islamic propaganda videos, these are facts your religion is falling apart. Yet everything that tells the truth about your religion is an attack on Islam or a Zionist conspiracy theory, man grow up, you Muslims really need to grow the hell up. lol Muslims have been claiming since the 1990s that they would be the largest religion on earth in 2015 yet when the time came we found Islam even decreased. Here's your glorious Yusuf Etes:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbDbTDTffdw
  • Scientists and ..........!
     Reply #45 - March 14, 2018, 04:15 PM

    Africa
    Muslims previously outnumbered Christians in sub-Saharan Africa. However, a study published in April 2010 by the Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life has found that Christians now outnumber Muslims by 2 to 1 making Islam a minority belief.

    The number of adherents to Christianity in sub-Saharan Africa grew from fewer than 9 million in 1910 to 516 million today, a 60-fold increase eclipsing the growth of Islam.

    America
    Contrary to what is often claimed, Islam is not the fastest growing religion in the United States. Here are the available facts:

    The ARIS polls 1990 and 2000 show that the percent of change for Islam was +109%. The percent of change for Nonreligious/Secular (+110%), Native American Religion (+119%), Buddhism (+170%), Baha'i (+200%), Hinduism (+237%), New Age (+240%), Sikhism (+338%) and Deism (+717%) were all higher.
    The American Religious Identification Survey gave Non-Religious groups the largest gain in terms of absolute numbers - 14,300,000 (8.4% of the population) to 29,400,000 (14.1% of the population) for the period 1990 to 2001 in the USA. Also, Americans with no religion were the fastest growing segment from 2001 to 2008.

    According to the Cultural Orientation Resource Center, 60% of all refugees admitted into the United States are from Muslim-majority countries. Likewise, a Pew report published in January 2011 found that "About two-thirds of the Muslims in the U.S. today (64.5%) are first-generation immigrants (foreign-born)".
    Contrary to the often-quoted figures provided by CAIR and in spite of the massive influx of Muslim refugees, a Pew survey carried-out in October 2009 found the estimate for the total Muslim population of the U.S to be at only 2.454 million. Percentage-wise, Islam represents only 0.8 percent of the United States' religious make-up. About a third of what had previously been claimed and widely accepted by many apologists and media outlets.
    According to research carried out by the respected Pakistani-born American Muslim Dr. Ilyas Ba-Yunus (1932 - 2007), 75% of new Muslim converts in the US leave Islam within a few years.
    According to Ahmed Nassef, the co-founder and editor in chief of MuslimWakeUp.com, less than 7 percent of American Muslims attend mosque regularly, compared with 38 percent of American Christians who attend church weekly.
    China
    Islam and Christianity both entered China during the 7th century,[20] and unreferenced claims have been made of around 100 million Muslims in China. However, most reliable estimates put the figures at 20 to 30 million Muslims (1.5% to 2% of the population).

    Similarly, some Christian organizations have claimed up to 130 million Christians in China. However, most reliable estimates range from 40 million (3% of the total population) to 54 million (4%), meaning the growth of Christianity in China is almost double that of Islam.

    Europe
    A United Nations' survey showed that between 1989 and 1998, Europe's Muslim population grew by more than 100 percent, due mainly to the effects of immigration from Muslim countries. Ontario Consultants on Religious Tolerance have an unsourced claim of 2.9 percent per year. And according to a Pew report published in January 2011, the future growth of Islam in Europe will be "driven primarily by continued migration.

    According to data from the extensive 2010 European Social Survey (ESS), Muslims immigrants who have lived less than a year in Europe regularly go to the mosque. But after they have lived more than a year in their new homeland, the figure drops to 48.8%. More than half rarely or never go to the mosque to pray.

    In the Netherlands, mosque attendance is actually dropping faster than church attendance. In 1998, 47 percent of Muslims would attend mosque at least once a month. This figure fell by 12 percent in 2008 to only 35 percent. Whilst church attendance for Catholics fell by only 8 percent, and church attendance amongst Protestants showed no change, remaining at 63 percent.

    United Kingdom
    It has been estimated that during 2001 - 2011, about 100,000 people converted to Islam in the United Kingdom, but 75 percent of these converts quickly left Islam, during this period. On the whole, there are about 200,000 apostates from Islam living in the UK, doubling the number that have converted.

    Similarly to the rest of Europe, the growth of Islam in the UK is primarily due to higher birthrates among Muslims (27 percent of Muslim families have three or more dependent children, compared with 14 percent of Sikh, 8 percent of Hindu, and 7 percent of Christian families) and immigration (54 percent of all UK Muslims are foreign born).

    A NOP poll of British Muslims commissioned by Channel 4 also found that 48% of Muslims never attend a mosque, with another 6% only attending for special occasions.

    Russia
    There is a wide spread belief that there are around 20 million Russian Muslims and that vast amounts of Russians are converting to Islam. However, there are only about 7 to 9 million Muslims in Russia and less than 3,000 ethnic Russians have converted to Islam within the last fifteen years.

    For the same period almost 2 million ethnic Muslims have become Orthodox Christians. Over 400 Russian Orthodox clergy belong to traditionally Muslim ethnic groups, 20 percent of Tatars are Christian, and 70 percent of interfaith marriages result in the Muslim spouse conversion to Christianity.
    If you waiting for Islam to grow then you better expect to be waiting for a long time lol.


    Please, I dare you to refute me with facts. I also really want to hear a good story on how fast your religion is growing, really I do.
  • Scientists and ..........!
     Reply #46 - March 15, 2018, 05:43 AM

    Please do not insult our intelligence by quoting the verse "there is no compulsion in religion". We get the OPPOSITE impression when we see how apostates or converts to other religions are treated in predominantly Muslim countries. Furthermore, children tend not to be  raised in a religiously neutral manner in religious families which is also not compatible with the "no compulsion" aspect. The only places you can see where there is no compulsion in religion would be in predominantly non-Muslim countries. And lastly, Ahmed Deedat and Zakir Naik see apostasy as equivalent to treason therefore requiring the death penalty- this also goes against the "no compulsion" verse.

    I could go into why the heavy stigmatisation of apostasy (a light way of saying it when some are killed over this) reduces the attrition rate of the religious demographic but none of these help convince us of the truth of the religion, they demonstrate that the religion is overbearing or domineering. The same applies to the cultural practises of having more children, requiring mixed faith relationships to only be possible between Muslim male and non-Muslim female, and there also results the children having to be raised as Muslim as well. Islam is also a religion that is among the most common proselytising faiths, another means to increase its numbers.

    This all points to an ideology that focuses on increasing its numbers via conversion, birth rates and stigmatisation of apostates. A numbers game. Justin Bieber is more searched for and popular than Stephen Hawkings- are you going to be listening to Bieber all the time because he has more followers or go for something that challenges your intellect even if not popular? 
  • Scientists and ..........!
     Reply #47 - March 15, 2018, 10:37 AM

    According to Muslims quantity in braindead followers means it makes Islam right. Ahmed Deedat himself the fame scholar of Islam called for the death of innocent writer Salman Rushdie. If this is Islam's best then Islam is quite pathetic.
  • Scientists and ..........!
     Reply #48 - March 16, 2018, 03:21 AM

    These things
      No unfounded
    Just lies
    Attack on Islam
    Deception
    ....................................




    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hsog9WfrgsI

    Do not let silence become your legacy  
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Scientists and ..........!
     Reply #49 - March 21, 2018, 09:22 AM

    Ever since the dawn of mankind, we have sought to understand nature and our place in it. In this quest for the purpose of life many people have turned to religion. Most religions are based on books claimed by their followers to be divinely inspired, without any proof. Islam is different because it is based upon reason and proof.

    There are clear signs that the book of Islam, the Quran, is the word of God and we have many reasons to support this claim:

    · There are scientific and historical facts found in the Quran which were unknown to the people at the time, and have only been discovered recently by contemporary science.

    · The Quran is in a unique style of language that cannot be replicated, this is known as the ‘Inimitability of the Quran.’

    · There are prophecies made in the Quran and by the Prophet Muhammad, may the mercy and blessings of God be upon him, which have come to be pass.

    the scientific facts that are found in the Quran, centuries before they were ‘discovered’ in contemporary science. It is important to note that the Quran is not a book of science but a book of ‘signs’. These signs are there for people to recognise God’s existence and affirm His revelation. As we know, science sometimes takes a ‘U-turn’ where what once scientifically correct is false a few years later. In this article only established scientific facts are considered, not just theories or hypothesis.
    Scientific Facts in the Quran

    The Quran was revealed to the Prophet Muhammad in the 7th century.

    Science at the time was primitive, there were no telescopes, microscopes or anything even close to the technology we have today. People believed that the sun orbited the earth and that the sky was held up by big pillars at the corners of a flat earth. Within this backdrop the Quran was revealed, and it contains many scientific facts on topics ranging from astronomy to biology, geology to sociology.

    Some people may claim that the Quran was changed as new scientific facts were discovered but this cannot be the case because it is a historically documented fact that the Quran is preserved in its original language[1].

    The Quran was written down and memorised by people during the lifetime of the Prophet Muhammad. One of the copies of the Quran which was written a few years after the death of the Prophet Muhammad is preserved in a museum in Uzbekistan. This copy is over 1400 years old and is exactly the same as the Arabic Quran that we have today[2].


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     Reply #50 - March 21, 2018, 12:16 PM

    Also a lie the Samarkand Quran is not the oldest Quran in existence and is known to have numerous differences and contradictions to the modern Quran, even your ulema admitted this: http://web.archive.org/web/20070309000028/http://www.geocities.com/pentaur2001/index.html
    Also wrong people did have science at the time, all our science we have today are just improved techniques the ancients used. Also not everyone back then believed in a flat earth, the Romans and Byzantines  for example used a globe to represent the Earth and this was hundreds of years before Islam. A theory has to be proven through numerous tests otherwise it is just a hypothesis or claim. You can't claim the Quran to be both a book of science and yet a book of signs at the same time, since signs are not scientific at any level and many books claim to be books of signs even the Avesta of the Zoroastrians. The Quran isn't in the same language and there are many different dialects of the Quran and numerous translations with errors. Even the concept of the Quran being in the original language is contradictory since no one can understand Classical Arabic, why do you think the Muslim ulema didn't want it translated and even to this day do not accept translations? If no one can understand a book then it's quite easy for me to change it regardless of the number of people who memorized it, what matters is knowing what you read not memorizing what your resign and comsidering the fact more then 70% of Muslims can't understand the Quran also makes the Quran very vulnerable to editing. I challenge you to bring me one scientific fact from the Quran just one.
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     Reply #51 - March 21, 2018, 12:17 PM

    The Quran cannot be replicated right, go read Patrick's post he has already made a larger Quran then the original.
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     Reply #52 - March 21, 2018, 10:49 PM

    Scientists’ Comments on the Scientific Miracles in the Holy Quran


    Keith L. Moore
     
    Professor Emeritus, Department of Anatomy and Cell Biology, University of Toronto. Distinguished embryologist and the author of several medical textbooks, including Clinically Oriented Anatomy (3rd Edition) and The Developing Human (5th Edition, with T.V.N. Persaud).
     
     
    Investigations in to the 'alaqa or leech-like stage.
     
     
     
    Dr. Moore was a former President of the Canadian Association of Anatomists, and of the American Association of Clinical Anatomists. He was honoured by the Canadian Association of Anatomists with the prestigious J.C.B. Grant Award and in 1994 he received the Honoured Member Award of the American Association of Clinical Anatomists "for outstanding contributions to the field of clinical anatomy."


    "For the past three years, I have worked with the Embryology Committee of King cAbdulaziz University in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia, helping them to interpret the many statements in the Qur'an and Sunnah referring to human reproduction and prenatal development. At first I was astonished by the accuracy of the statements that were recorded in the 7th century AD, before the science of embryology was established. Although I was aware of the glorious history of Muslim scientists in the 10th century AD, and some of their contributions to Medicine, I knew nothing about the religious facts and beliefs contained in the Qur'an and Sunnah."[2]

    At a conference in Cairo he presented a research paper and stated:

    "It has been a great pleasure for me to help clarify statements in the Qur'an about human development. It is clear to me that these statements must have come to Muhammad from God, or Allah, because most of this knowledge was not discovered until many centuries later. This proves to me that Muhammad must have been a messenger of God, or Allah." [1]

    Professor Moore also stated that:

    "...Because the staging of human embryos is complex, owing to the continuous process of change during development, it is proposed that a new system of classification could be developed using the terms mentioned in the Qur'an and Sunnah. The proposed system is simple, comprehensive, and conforms with present embryological knowledge.

    "The intensive studies of the Qur'an and Hadith in the last four years have revealed a system of classifying human embryos that is amazing since it was recorded in the seventh century A.D... the descriptions in the Qur'an cannot be based on scientific knowledge in the seventh century..."[1]
     
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    E. Marshall Johnson
     
    Professor and Chairman of the Department of Anatomy and Developmental Biology, and Director of the Daniel Baugh Institute, Thomas Jefferson University, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, USA.
     
     
     

     
    Author of over 200 publications. Former President of the Teratology Society among other accomplishments. Professor Johnson began to take an interest in the scientific signs in the Qur'an at the 7th Saudi Medical Conference (1982), when a special committee was formed to investigate scientific signs in the Qur'an and Hadith. At first, Professor Johnson refused to accept the existence of such verses in the Qur'an and Hadith. But after a dicussuion with Sheikh Zindani he took an interest and concentrated his research on the internal as well as external development of the fetus.


    "...in summary, the Qur'an describes not only the development of external form, but emphasises also the internal stages, the stages inside the embryo, of its creation and development, emphasising major events recognised by contemporary science."

    "As a scientist, I can only deal with things which I can specifically see. I can understand embryology and developmental biology. I can understand the words that are translated to me from the Qur'an. As I gave the example before, if I were to transpose myself into that era, knowing what I do today and describing things, I could not describe the things that were described...

    I see no evidence to refute the concept that this individual Muhammad had to be developing this information from some place... so I see nothing here in conflict with the concept that divine intervention was involved in what he was able to write..." [1]
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    T.V.N. Persaud
     
    Professor of Anatomy, and Professor of Paediatrics and Child Health, University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada.
     
     

     
    Author and editor of over 20 books, and has published over 181 scientific papers. Co-author of The Developing Human (5th Edition, with Keith L. Moore). He received the J.C.B. Grant Award in 1991. Professor Peraud presented several research papers.


    "It seems to me that Muhammad was a very ordinary man, he couldn't read, didn't know how to write, in fact he was an illiterate...

    We're talking about 1400 years ago, you have some illiterate person making profound statements that are amazingly accurate, of a scientific nature...

    I personally can't see how this could be mere chance, there are too many accuracies and like Dr. Moore, I have no difficulty in my mind reconciling that this is a divine inspiration or revelation which lead him to these statements." [1]
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    Joe Leigh Simpson
     
    Professor and Chairman of the Department of Obstetrics and Gynaecology, Baylor College of Medicine, Houston, Texas, USA.
     
     
    He is the President of the American Fertility Society. He has received many awards, including the Association of Professors of Obstetrics and Gynaecology Public Recognition Award in 1992. Like many others, Professor Simpson was taken by surprise when he discovered that the Qur'an and Hadith contain verses related to his specialised field of study. When he met with Sheikh Abdul-Majeed A.Zindani, he insisted on verifying the text presented to him from the Qur'an and Hadith.


    "... these Hadiths (sayings of Muhammad) could not have been obtained on the basis of the scientific knowledge that was available at the time of the 'writer'... It follows that not only is there no conflict between genetics and religion (Islam) but in fact religion (Islam) may guide science by adding revelation to some of the traditional scientific approaches... There exist statements in the Qur'an shown centuries later to be valid which support knowledge in the Qur'an having been derived from God." [1]
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    Gerald C. Goeringer
     
    Professor and Co-ordinator of Medical Embryology in the Department of Cell Biology, School of Medicine, Georgetown University, Washington DC, USA.
     
     
    Sheikh cAbdul-Majeed A.Zindani met with Professor Goeringer and asked him whether in the history of embryology was there any mention of the different stages of embryonic development, or whether there existed any embryological texts at the time of the Prophet. Sheikh Zindani also asked his opinion regarding the terms the Qur'an uses to describe the different phases of fetal development. After several long discussions, he presented a study at the 8th Saudi Medical Conference:


    "...In a relatively few ayahs (Qur'anic verses) is contained a rather comprehensive description of human development from the time of commingling of the gametes through organogenesis. No such distinct and complete record of human development such as classification, terminology, and description existed previously. In most, if not all instances, this description antedates by many centuries the recording of the various stages of human embryonic and fetal development recorded in the traditional scientific literature." [1]
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    Alfred Kroner
     
    Professor of the Department of Geosciences, University of Mainz, Germany.
     
     
    Professor Kroner is one of the world's most famous geologists, becoming well known among his colleague scientists for his criticisms against the theories of some of the major scientists in his field. Sheikh cAbdul-Majeed A. Zindani met with him and presented several Qur'anic verses and Hadith which he studied and commented upon.


    "Thinking where Muhammad came from... I think it is almost impossible that he could have known about things like the common origin of the universe, because scientists have only found out within the last few years with very complicated and advanced technological methods that this is the case."

    "Somebody who did not know something about nuclear physics 1400 years ago could not, I think, be in a position to find out from his own mind for instance that the earth and the heavens had the same origin, or many others of the questions that we have discussed here...

    If you combine all these and you combine all these statements that are being made in the Qur'an in terms that relate to the earth and the formation of the earth and science in general, you can basically say that statements made there in many ways are true, they can now be confirmed by scientific methods, and in a way, you can say that the Qur'an is a simple science text book for the simple man. And that many of the statements made in there at that time could not be proven, but that modern scientific methods are now in a position to prove what Muhammad said 1400 years ago." [1]
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    Yushidi Kusan
     
    Director of the Tokyo Observatory, Tokyo, Japan.
     
     
    Sheikh Abdul-Majeed A. Zindani presented a number of Qur'anic verses describing the beginnings of the universe and of the heavens, and the relationship of the earth to the heavens. He expressed his astonishment, saying that the Qur'an describes the universe as seen from the highest observation point, everything is distinct and clear.


    "I say, I am very much impressed by finding true astronomical facts in Qur'an, and for us modern astronomers have been studying very small piece of the universe. We have concentrated our efforts for understanding of very small part. Because by using telescopes, we can see only very few parts of the sky without thinking about the whole universe. So by reading Qur'an and by answering to the questions, I think I can find my future way for investigation of the universe." [1]
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    Professor Armstrong
     
    Professor Armstrong works for NASA and is also Professor of Astronomy, University of Kansas, Lawrence, Kansas, USA.
     
     
     
    Prof. Armstrong was asked a number of questions about Qur'anic verses dealing with his field of specialisation. He was eventually asked, "You have seen and discovered for yourself the true nature of modern Astronomy by means of modern equipment, rockets, and satellites developed by man. You have also seen how the same facts were mentioned by the Qur'an fourteen centuries ago. So what is your opinion?"
    "That is a difficult question which I have been thinking about since our discussion here. I am impressed at how remarkably some of the ancient writings seem to correspond to modern and recent Astronomy. I am not a sufficient scholar of human history to project myself completely and reliably into the circumstances that 1400 years ago would have prevailed.
    Certainly, I would like to leave it at that, that what we have seen is remarkable, it may or may not admit of scientific explanation, there may well have to be something beyond what we understand as ordinary human experience to account for the writings that we have seen." [1]
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    William Hay
     
    Professor of Oceanogprahy, University of Colorado, Boulder, Colorado, USA.
     
     
    Professor Hay is one of the best known marine scientist in the USA. Sheikh cAbdul-Majeed A. Zindani met with him and asked him many questions about the marine surface, the divider between upper and lower sea, and about the ocean floor and marine geology.


    "I find it very interesting that this sort of information is in the ancient scriptures of the Holy Qur'an, and I have no way of knowing where they would have come from. But I think it is extremely interesting that they are there and this work is going on to discover it, the meaning of some of the passages."

    And when he was asked about the source of the Qur'an, he replied, "Well, I would think it must be the divine being." [1]
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    Durja Rao
     
    Professor of Marine Geology teaching at King Abdulaziz University, Jeddah, Saudi Arabia.
     
     
    Sheikh Zindani presented to Prof. Rao many verses dealing with his area of specialisation, and asked: "What do you think of the existence of the scientific information in the Qur'an? How could Prophet Muhammad have known about these facts fourteen centuries ago?"


    "It is difficult to imagine that this type of knowledge was existing at that time, around 1400 years back. May be some of the things they have simple idea about, but to describe those things in great detail is very difficult. So this is definitely not simple human knowledge. A normal human being cannot explain this phenomenon in that much detail. So, I thought the information must have come from a supernatural source." [1]
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    Professor Siaveda
     
    Professor of Marine Geology, Japan.
     
     
    Sheikh Zindani asked him a number of questions in his area of specialisation, and then informed him of the Qur'anic verses and Hadith which mention the same phenomena he spoke of. One of the questions was concerning mountains. Sheikh Zindani asked him about the shape of mountains; and whether they were firmly rooted in the earth. "What is your opinion of what you have seen in the Qur'an and the Sunnah with regard to the secrets of the Universe, which scientists only discovered now?"


    "I think it seems to me very, very mysterious, almost unbelievable. I really think if what you have said is true, the book is really a very remarkable book, I agree." [1]
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    Tejatat Tejasen
     
    Chairman of the Department of Anatomy and is the former Dean of the faculty of Medicine, University of Chiang Mai, Chiang Mai, Thailand.
     
     
    Professor Tejasen studied various articles concerning the Qur'an and modern embryology. He spent four days with several scholars, Muslims and non-Muslims, discussing this phenomenon in the Qur'an and Hadith. During the 8th Saudi Medical Conference in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia he stood up and said:


    "In the last three years, I became interested in the Qur'an... From my studies and what I have learned throughout this conference, I believe that everything that has been recorded in the Qur'an fourteen hundred years ago must be the truth, that can be proved by the scientific means.

    Since the Prophet Muhammad could neither read nor write, Muhammad must be a messenger who relayed this truth which was revealed to him as an enlightenment by the one who is eligible creator. This creator must be God, or Allah.

    I think this is the time to say La ilaha illa Allah, there is no god to worship except Allah (God), Muhammad rasoolu Allah, Muhammad is Messenger of Allah...

    The most precious thing I have gained from coming to this conference is La ilaha illa Allah, and to have become Muslim." [1]
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    Dr. Maurice Bucaille
     
    Born in 1920, former chief of the Surgical Clinic, University of Paris, has for a long time deeply interested in the correspondences between the teachings of the Holy Scriptures and modern secular knowledge.
     
     

     
    He is the author of a best-seller, "The Bible, The Qur'an and Science" (1976). His classical studies of the scriptural languages, including Arabic, in association with his knowledge of hieroglyphics, have allowed him to hold a multidisciplinary inquiry, in which his personal contribution as a medical doctor has produced conclusive arguments. His work, "Mummies of the Pharaohs - Modern Medical Investigations" (St. Martins Press, 1990), won a History Prize from the Académie Française and another prize from the French National Academy of Medicine.

    His other works include: "What is the Origin of Man" (Seghers, 1988), "Moses and Pharaoh, the Hebrews in Egypt", (NTT Mediascope Inc, 1994); and "Réflexions sur le Coran" (Mohamed Talbi & Maurice Bucaille, Seghers, 1989)


    After a study which lasted ten years, Dr. Maurice Bucaille addressed the French Academy of Medicine in 1976 concerning the existence in the Qur'an of certain statements concerning physiology and reproduction. His reason for doing that was that :

    "...our knowledge of these disciplines is such, that it is impossible to explain how a text produced at the time of the Qur'an could have contained ideas that have only been discovered in modern times."

    "The above observation makes the hypothesis advanced by those who see Muhammad as the author of the Qur'an untenable. How could a man, from being illiterate, become the most important author, in terms of literary merits, in the whole of Arabic literature?

    How could he then pronounce truths of a scientific nature that no other human-being could possibly have developed at that time, and all this without once making the slightest error in his pronouncement on the subject?"

    Scientific Miracles in the Holy Quran - YouTube

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSWtWMi4aK4

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     Reply #53 - March 22, 2018, 06:13 AM

    Dr. Moore is notable as the only embryologist directly quoted by Islamic sources in an attempt to prove embryology as described in the Qur'an is scientifically correct. In the 1980s he accepted an invitation by the Embryology Committee of King Abdulaziz University to produce a special 3rd edition of his most successful book "The Developing Human" specifically for use by Muslim students in Islamic Universities. He was financially patronized by the Saudi royal family for the use of his name, and for no real additional work.

    The textbook he delivered to the Saudi Universities that commissioned the work is titled, "The Developing Human: Clinically Oriented Embryology with Islamic Additions." The base textbook was work that Moore had completed years before. He did nothing new for this new edition. The “Islamic additions” are actually the work of an Abdul Majeed al-Zindani, so it alternates chapters of standard science with Zindani's "Islamic additions".

    Links to Islamic Terrorists
    The co-writer of Moore's book is a leading militant Islamist named Abdul Majeed al-Zindani. He is the founder and head of the Iman University in Yemen, head of the Yemeni Muslim Brotherhood political movement and founder of the Commission on Scientific Signs in the Quran and Sunnah (one of the organizations that spearheaded Bucailleism), based in Saudi Arabia.

    Zindani served as a contact for Ansar al-Islam (Al), a Kurdish-based terrorist organization linked to al-Qaeda, has links to John Walker Lindh and Anwar al-Awlaki, and in 2004 the US Treasury Department published a press release stating that the United States had by executive order designated Zindani as a "Specially Designated Global Terrorist".

    Interestingly, the Acknowledgments for the book recognize a number of “distinguished scholars” who supported the book with time or money. And number 6 on the list is Saifullah Shaykh Osama bin Laden (Zindani had a long history of working with bin Laden, notably serving as one of his spiritual leaders).

    Moore's Current Views
    The result of Moore's and Zindani's collaboration is not an academic book and subsequent editions omit and contradict the "Islamic additions". Reverting back to his previous description, they basically admit that the embryology in the Qur'an is a repetition of Greek and Indian medicine.

    For example, in 1986 he wrote that "The drop or nutfa [in Surah 23:13] has been interpreted as the sperm or spermatozoon, but a more meaningful interpretation would be the zygote which divides to form a blastocyst which is implanted in the uterus ("a place of rest")," but in the 8th edition of The Developing Human (published 2007), he writes that "Growth of science was slow during the medieval period... human beings [according to the Qur'an] are produced from a mixture of secretions from the male and female. Several references are made to the creation of a human being from a nutfa (small drop). It also states that the resulting organism settles in the womb like a seed, 6 days after its beginning."

    It is interesting with regard to Dr Keith Moore's sincerity (or lack thereof) to note that during his lecture tours to promote his book to Muslim audiences, he stated many times that he never left his Christian faith to become a Muslim, and admitted that he had no knowledge of Arabic, that Muslim scholars had translated the Arabic words for him, and that he is not claiming his interpretations are accurate]. Indeed, it is evident how badly he was misinformed about the Qur'an in the above quote regarding 6 days. There is nothing about 6 days in any statement about embryology anywhere in the Qur'an nor even in the hadiths.

    This shows that Moore's previous statements on embryology in the Qur'an were based neither on science nor a sound knowledge of the Qur'an, but merely the result of patronage by the Saudi royal family.

    J. Needham, a well known authority on the history of embryology and a reference cited in Keith Moore's books, has also dismissed embryology in the Qur'an as merely "a seventh-century echo of Aristotle and the Ayer-veda."[12]

    Denial of Involvement
    Moore's current CV does not reflect any involvement with Islam, the Qur'an or Islamic embryology. It also omits mentioning the 3rd edition of The Developing Human and its connections to Islamic terrorists. Nor does he mention his lecture in Saudi Arabia or any of his Islam-related activities in Muslim-majority countries.

    In 2002, Moore declined to be interviewed by the Wall Street Journal on the subject of his work on Islam, stating that "it's been ten or eleven years since I was involved in the Qur'an."
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     Reply #54 - March 22, 2018, 06:15 AM

    In articles published widely across Islamic websites, Keith L. Moore goes on the record to provide a generous assessment of the Qur’an and hadith in the light of modern knowledge about embryology. But a review of his “analysis” shows the extent to which he had to twist both the Islamic scriptures and modern science in order to get the “facts” to correlate.

    Specifically, Moore’s intellectual lapses are these:

    1. He liberally translates Arabic into terms that no Arabic speaker would consider justified, but that allows him to pretend the Arabic is closer to truth than it really is. For example, in spite of the fact that almost three dozen translations of “alaqah” found on line never once exclude the word “clot,” Moore writes instead that “The word "alaqah" refers to a leech or bloodsucker.”

    2. He completely ignores the timing of phases dictated by the hadith, for to consider them renders even his mistranslation unintelligible. For example, after mistranslating “alaqah” to mean “a leech or bloodsucker,” he then compares it to the human embryo at 24 days gestation. But 24 days is still firmly within the “nutfah” phase, when the embryo should actually look like a “drop of seed.” He does the same with “mudghah,” comparing it with the embryo at 28 days, still in the “nutfah” phase and only four days later than he had assigned to “alaqah.”
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     Reply #55 - March 22, 2018, 06:17 AM

    The Qur'an and Sahih Hadith
    “Islamic embryology” is derived from both the Qur’an and the hadith, and is quite consistent across all the contributing sources. The core of the story can be found in the Qur’an, 22:5.

    Yusuf Ali: “O mankind! if ye have a doubt about the Resurrection, (consider) that We created you out of dust, then out of sperm, then out of a leech-like clot, then out of a morsel of flesh, partly formed and partly unformed, in order that We may manifest (our power) to you; and We cause whom We will to rest in the wombs for an appointed term, then do We bring you out as babes…”
    Pickthal: “O mankind! if ye are in doubt concerning the Resurrection, then lo! We have created you from dust, then from a drop of seed, then from a clot, then from a little lump of flesh shapely and shapeless, that We may make (it) clear for you. And We cause what We will to remain in the wombs for an appointed time, and afterward We bring you forth as infants…”

    Shakir: “O people! if you are in doubt about the raising, then surely We created you from dust, then from a small seed, then from a clot, then from a lump of flesh, complete in make and incomplete, that We may make clear to you; and We cause what We please to stay in the wombs till an appointed time, then We bring you forth as babies…”
    Qur'an 22:5
    Here we find the three primary stages of embryonic development as defined by the Qur’an. There is a “seed,” “drop” or “semen” phase (in Arabic, “nutfah”), followed by a “clot” or “leech-like clot” phase (in Arabic, “alaqah”), followed finally by a “morsel of flesh” or “chewed lump” phase (in Arabic, “mudghah”).

    There are a handful of additional ayaat that deal with this subject, and none of them disagree with this basic scenario. Yet there is more to learn from the hadith, particularly that of Bukhari and Muslim. Again, the accounts are quite consistent, and the additional information they provide is important. The first of these tells us about developmental timing:

    Narrated 'Abdullah bin Mus'ud: “Allah's Apostle, the true and truly inspired said, "(The matter of the Creation of) a human being is put together in the womb of the mother in forty days, and then he becomes a clot of thick blood for a similar period, and then a piece of flesh for a similar period.”
    Sahih Bukhari 4:54:430
    These exact details are also given in Sahih Bukhari 4:55:549, Sahih Bukhari 8:77:593, Sahih Bukhari 9:93:546, and Sahih Muslim 33:6390.

    The key information gained from all these ahadith are that the three phases (nutfah, alaqah and mudghah) each takes 40 days, for a total period of 120 days from conception to the point at which the embryo becomes a fetus.

    One additional piece of testable scientific information is available in the hadith. It has to do with the point at which gender is determined. A representative hadith would be the following from Sahih Bukhari:

    Narrated Anas bin Malik: “The Prophet said, "Allah puts an angel in charge of the uterus and the angel says, 'O Lord, (it is) semen! O Lord, (it is now) a clot! O Lord, (it is now) a piece of flesh.' And then, if Allah wishes to complete its creation, the angel asks, 'O Lord, (will it be) a male or a female?”
    Sahih Bukhari 8:77:594
    This detail is repeated in Sahih Bukhari 4:55:550 and Sahih Muslim 33:6397, and all of them are quite clear that the embryo is neither male nor female until after the mudghah phase is reached, some 80 days (by Islamic counting) after conception.

    So, then, these are the details of embryology as reflected in the Qur’an and the hadith.

    The embryo spends 40 days as a drop of sperm or seed.
    The embryo then spends another 40 days as a “clot” or a “leech-like clot” of blood.
    The embryo then spends another 40 days as a “lump of flesh.”
    During which the gender of the child is assigned by an angel at Allah’s direction.
    These then are the details that must be correlated with actual embryonic development to evaluate the accuracy or inaccuracy of the Islamic account. The question is actually a simple one:

    Does this account describe the first 120 days of embryonic development or doesn’t it?

    Timing of Islamic Phases
    Taken together, the three phases of Islamic embryology take 120 days to go from conception to the point where the embryo becomes a fetus (i.e. an identifiable human baby), or right around 17 weeks. Does this reflect what we now know about embryonic development?

    The answer is patently, no. The human embryo becomes a fetus around week 9, or roughly half the time Islamic embryology requires. By day 56 the fetus is essentially a complete, though tiny, human being with all organ systems in place, and all tissues developed. This is right in the middle of what Islam calls the “alaqah” phase. In other words, the developing person is already a complete human being at a point where the hadith insists it (not he or she) still has almost three weeks remaining as a “clot of congealed blood.”

    In fact, there are no developmental milestones which can be mapped to the three 40 day periods required by Islamic embryology, even though they are stressed in several authoritative ahadith.

    Conclusion: The hadith is demonstrably wrong concerning the timing of embryologic development.

    Description of Islamic Phases
    The three Islamic phases of development are described in a very visual way, allowing for an informed evaluation of the accuracy of those descriptions. This might be expected if for no other reason than that during the Prophet’s day, there was not even the idea of a microscope, and any descriptions offered would reasonably be of objects that were visible to an unaided eye. And this is exactly what we find.

    And certainly, each of the three Islamic stages is described at a visible level of scale. A drop of seed, a clot of blood, a lump of flesh; all of them are objects of a size with which the ancient Arabs would have been familiar.

    The “Drop of Seed” Phase (Nutfah)
    There is little to no debate among Muslims as to the meaning of the word, “nutfah.” It is a “drop of seed” or “drop of semen” of the sort that would have been familiar to any adult Arab male. The Arabs rightly understood (as did all of their non-Arab neighbors) that semen was necessary to begin the process of procreation. But, exactly as with all their non-Arab neighbors, the writers of the Qur’an and the hadith did not seem to understand that there was an egg produced by the mother that is fertilized by the male’s semen.

    The Arabs believed that the woman served simply as an incubator for a child that was fully contained in the father’s seed. There was no understanding of the actual biology of sexual reproduction, and no such understanding is apparent in the Qur’an.

    Instead, the Qur’an tells us that the “drop of seed” remains exactly that (a drop of seed) for the entire nutfah phase (40 days according to Bukhari and Muslim). What actually is happening during those 40 days, and how might it be said to resemble a “drop of seed?”

    The actual “drop of seed” provided by the male dissipates within minutes of ejaculation, so even before conception, the literal “drop of seed” no longer exists. The case could certainly be made that the fertilized egg resembles a seed until about day 13 or fourteen, but the “drop” is long gone, replaced with a microscopic egg that moves through a period called the “blastocyst.” But by the beginning of the third week, the embryo has already begun to differentiate into a trilaminar embryo with the three layers of ectoderm, mesoderm, and endoderm. A mere two and a half weeks after conception, the embryo no longer looks anything like a “drop of seed,” while the Islamic tradition indicates that the nutfah stage should last for an additional three weeks.

    By day 40 of actual embryonic development (when the “drop” stage should be just ending and the “clot” stage beginning) the embryo is actually very well advanced. Measuring some 11 millimeters long, and the nervous system is well along its development. The embryo has eyes and ears, all four limbs have begun to form, the heart bulge is prominent. It bears no resemblance at this point to either a “drop of seed” or a “leech-like clot.”

    Interim Conclusion: The Qu’ran is in error describing the embryo as a “drop of seed” for any significant period of time, and certainly wrong in assigning a 40 day period to such a phase.

    The “Leech-Like Clot” Phase (Alaqah)
    The word “alaqah” is a bit more ambiguous than “nutfah,” and so has been translated a bit more flexibly by apologists. Although consistently translated as a “clot of blood” by multiple translators, there are a handful of instances where it is rendered as “a leech-like clot.” This is the phase that (according to Bukhari and Muslim) should last from about day 41 to day 80 after conception.

    Among the many images of Allah’s creative power reflected in the Qu’ran and the hadith, the image of man having been created from a clot of blood is one of the most common, showing up over a dozen times in the Qu’ran, Sahih Bukhari and Sahih Muslim alone.

    What actually is happening during those 40 days, and how might it be said to resemble a “leech-like clot?”

    The period of development covered by the “alaqah” stage includes from week six until week eleven after conception. The first two weeks of this “phase” actually encompass the final two weeks of embryonic development, for at that point the baby is essentially completely formed, and from here on out is known as a fetus.

    Interestingly, at no time during this period (or any period for that matter) does the embryo or fetus resemble a “clot.” And while dependence of the placenta might be described as being vaguely “leech-like” in that it is attached to the uterine wall, no one would ever confuse the embryo or fetus with a leech.

    This is as good a point as any to point out that embryonic development is essentially over by day 56, or in less than one half of the time described by Islamic embryology.

    For over three weeks of the supposed “alaqah” phase, rather than a “leech-like clot” the fetus is actually a fully formed human being, ranging in size from 35 mm to about 80 mm in length.

    Interim Conclusion: The Qu’ran and hadith are in error describing the embryo as a “leech-like clot” for any period of time, and certainly wrong in assigning the period from 41 to 80 days for such a phase.

    The “Lump of Flesh” Phase (Mudghah)
    The Arabic word “Mudghah” is uniformly described as a “lump” or “morsel of flesh.” Sometimes, it is more descriptively referred to as a “chewed lump of meat.” According to the hadith, this phase would cover day 81 to 120 of fetal development, or weeks 12 through 17.

    However, rather than a “lump” of anything, this period is one primarily of increasing size for the already fully formed fetus. During this period of time the fetus grows finger and toenails, begins to grow hair, and by the end of it the mother is beginning to feel the child’s movements. At no time during these weeks does the fetus look like anything other than an obvious human being.

    If there were anytime during which the embryo might be described as a “lump of flesh,” that would have been much earlier, perhaps during the fourth week. But even then, the embryo was quite organized and complex, hardly “chewed” in any sense of the word.

    Interim Conclusion: The Qur’an and hadith are in error describing the embryo as a “morsel of flesh” for any significant period of time, and certainly wrong in assigning the period from 81 to 120 days for such a phase.

    Conclusion
    The three Qur’anic phases are impossible to conform with actual embryonic development, and that problem is only magnified by the timing of those phases as prescribed by the hadith. There are no actual phases that can be correlated to nutfah, alaqah or mudghah, and the level of development that Islam asserts takes 120 days actually takes less than half of it.

    Gender
    According to multiple ahadith, it is only after the mudghah phase (days 81-120) that an angel of the Lord determines the gender of the baby. But in fact, modern genetics shows that the gender of the baby is determined at the moment of conception, and is therefore already set some four months before Islam asserts the question is even asked of Allah.

    Conclusion: The authors of the Qur’an and the hadith had no idea as to the genetic nature of gender, and assumed wrongly that it was assigned by Allah months after it was actually determined by genetics. The Islamic model is wrong again.
  • Scientists and ..........!
     Reply #56 - March 22, 2018, 06:19 AM

    Nice try lying like all Muslims do, you people are a bunch of pathetic shameless liars.
  • Scientists and ..........!
     Reply #57 - March 22, 2018, 10:38 AM

    Nice try lying like all Muslims do, "you people" are a bunch of pathetic shameless liars.

    what  happened   Mishael???  

    who are those   "you people"

    why would you say that   All Muslims lie??

    Can you  define me the word "Muslim"??

    do not get angry at some post.....well let us watch this

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ndj5KjKyr3E

    with best wishes
    yeezevee

    Do not let silence become your legacy  
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Scientists and ..........!
     Reply #58 - March 22, 2018, 12:22 PM

    Nice try lying like all Muslims do, you people are a bunch of pathetic shameless liars.


    deleting  a part of his  statement.,   so  Mishael   says " you people are a bunch of pathetic shameless liars" to  these guys that are in akay's post
    Scientists’ Comments on the Scientific Miracles in the Holy Quran

    Keith L. Moore
      
    (5th Edition, with T.V.N. Persaud).
     
    "For the past three years, I have worked with the Embryology Committee of King cAbdulaziz University in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia,

    E. Marshall Johnson
     
    T.V.N. Persaud
      
     
    Joe Leigh Simpson
      
    Gerald C. Goeringer
      
    Alfred Kroner
      
    Yushidi Kusan
      
    Professor Armstrong
     
    William Hay
      
    Durja Rao
     
    Sheikh Zindani  ?"
     
    Professor Siaveda
      
    Tejatat Tejasen
      
    Dr. Maurice Bucaille

     

    None of them  are Muslims  they are  PAID PROSTITUTES   OF ISLAMIC KING OF SAND LAND ., THEY  ALLOWED  TO USE THEIR MOUTHS   by  Rich  buggers that  usurped  public  funds from oil  wealth of Saudi Arabia ..

    So  millions of  innocent Muslim folks much better than those idiots that are  in akay post dear Mishael..  well  let me watch this...
      
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DB90bBL2pxk

    Do not let silence become your legacy  
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Scientists and ..........!
     Reply #59 - March 23, 2018, 06:22 AM

    It's funny he mentioned Sheikh Zindani who is the leader of a Islamic terrorist organization also Dr. Moore never accepted Islam since he denied converting to Islam when asked about the Quran he preferred not to answer questions. It appears that the only reason he wrote this whole cliche is because he got big bucks from Saudi Arabia.
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