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  • Nouman Ali Khan accused of inappropriate interactions with female followers
     OP - September 22, 2017, 11:36 PM

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    CALIFORNIA – In an untoward development, renowned Muslim speaker Nouman Ali Khan has been alleged of making inappropriate advances toward her female followers, here on Friday.

    The harsh allegations against the American speaker, who enjoys widespread popularity were hurled by Omer M. Mozaffar who claims to be a friend of the speaker from last twenty years.

    In a detailed Facebook post, Mozaffar claimed that he was working on a case related to Nouman Ali Khan in which the scholar confessed to having made inappropriate interactions with various women.

    The friend of Khan expressed that apart from confession, the speaker told lies and also threatened multiple parties to further hide his misconduct although he was advising him to seek repentance and reform himself.

    Mozaffar also claimed that when the matter heated up, the local scholars of Dallas intervened and started investigating the matter with Mozaffaffar as arbitrator.

    The investigations also included family members of Nouman who also admitted to ‘some of the accusations, though the evidence was worse’ claimed Mozaffar.

    Moreover, as investigations continued, Nouman met the scholars and agreed to stop public speeches and stop contacting all the women until further notice.

    The adjudicator Mozaffar was assigned the responsibility to keep an eye on Nouman who allowed him to post previously recorded lectures, so long as they were not about marriage or gender matters.

    The developments, in this case, were also communicated to Muslim community leaders so that no one should become a victim at the hands of the scholar.

    Mozaffar stated that the victims were also informed about an organisation that dealt with matters related to abuse and were encouraged to utilise all legal channels for justice.

    According to Mozaffar, he also got in touch with a mutual friend of NAK to make sure that he was not hurling allegations based on a stony ground, however, as the interrogation continued, Nouman started to hit back with allegations that a campaign was being run against him by the Dallas-based scholars.

    Going a mile more, Mozaffar claimed that now Nouman was sending threats against each of investigators through his attorney, however, reiterated that ‘predatory behaviour against these students and conference attendees should be neither tolerated, nor replicated, nor ignored’.

    ...

    https://en.dailypakistan.com.pk/world/religious-speaker-nouman-ali-khan-accused-of-inappropriate-interactions-with-female-followers/

    "Life is not a matter of holding good cards, but of playing a poor hand well."
    - Robert Louis Stevenson
  • Nouman Ali Khan accused of inappropriate interactions with female followers
     Reply #1 - September 23, 2017, 12:24 AM

    https://en.dailypakistan.com.pk/world/religious-speaker-nouman-ali-khan-accused-of-inappropriate-interactions-with-female-followers/

    https://www.somalispot.com/threads/famous-internet-sheikh-nouman-ali-khan-caught-doing-saqajanimo.31066/

    worth reading responses/pulse of readers  in that link

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Nouman Ali Khan accused of inappropriate interactions with female followers
     Reply #2 - September 23, 2017, 02:02 PM

    This whole thing is so stupid and nonsensical.

    Don't let Hitler have the street.
  • Nouman Ali Khan accused of inappropriate interactions with female followers
     Reply #3 - September 23, 2017, 02:42 PM

    It's times like these in a religious preacher's career when the ability to produce verses like this and like this would come in handy.

    While I agree with you, three, that the entire thing is nonsensical, and while I generally wouldn't care about what consenting adults do behind closed doors,  I do hope it can serve as a demonstration to the broader Muslim community, which has traditionally held such a natural human function as sex with the disdain of taboo, that even their "scholars" are just like them. Even their prophet was just like them (Muhammad was reported to have slept with at least 13 women officially, with an untold unofficial number).

    Many Muslims spend so much of their energy on sexual repression while the charismatic men they revere indulge in ways many only secretly fantasize about.
  • Nouman Ali Khan accused of inappropriate interactions with female followers
     Reply #4 - September 23, 2017, 03:01 PM

    I think what angers me about it is that the accusers are claiming the women are victims of his "abuse of power". As if women are incapable of making a decision to interact privately with a man.That claim also supposes that NAK is somehow in a position of authority over these "victims" and and it goes to show you that men and women are not equal despite all the apologist bullshit. There is no equal power sharing in Islam for both genders, and so you can argue that most interactions between men and women are abusive in regards to power.
    The whole thing just robs women, yet again, of their autonomy and reinforces the rampant infantilization of women in the community.
    NAK doesn't make me sick like the whole system does.


    Don't let Hitler have the street.
  • Nouman Ali Khan accused of inappropriate interactions with female followers
     Reply #5 - September 23, 2017, 03:10 PM

    I can dig that perspective as well.
  • Nouman Ali Khan accused of inappropriate interactions with female followers
     Reply #6 - September 23, 2017, 03:46 PM

    Here are some new screenshots that have emerged to substantiate the allegations against Nouman Ali Khan.

    https://skepticaldesi.wordpress.com/2017/09/23/evidence-against-nouman-ali-khan-screenshots/

    In my opinion a life without curiosity is not a life worth living
  • Nouman Ali Khan accused of inappropriate interactions with female followers
     Reply #7 - September 23, 2017, 03:49 PM

    It's times like these in a religious preacher's career when the ability to produce verses like this and like this would come in handy.

     I do hope it can serve as a demonstration to the broader Muslim community, which has traditionally held such a natural human function as sex with the disdain of taboo, that even their "scholars" are just like them. Even their prophet was just like them (Muhammad was reported to have slept with at least 13 women officially, with an untold unofficial number).

    Many Muslims spend so much of their energy on sexual repression while the charismatic men they revere indulge in ways many only secretly fantasize about.


     

    yeah it's disgusting how much the average muslims puts the "ulema" on a pedestal.

    My own sister is convinced that this is a giant political conspiracy by shaykhs to defame Nouman Ali khan since they were insecure of Nouman's fame.

    I'm not even joking that is what my sister said. And she is someone in studying an elite academic program that not many people can get accepted into.

    In my opinion a life without curiosity is not a life worth living
  • Nouman Ali Khan accused of inappropriate interactions with female followers
     Reply #8 - September 23, 2017, 04:41 PM

    Soooo... he was pursuing wife no 2 simultanously with multiple girls, in a way that would not meet traditional Islamic etiquette.... I don't know if I should laugh or cry. The only reason this would be a matter of concern, is that he is breaking all moral codes and rules he himself propagates while trying to silence his "victims" when called out. That's bullshit, in more ways than one.

    Btw I would be pissed if I found out an akhi talked with other girls for marriage while pursuing me. It's not even permissable to do so, but then again my fiqh isn't up to date... ._.

    "The healthiest people I know are those who are the first to label themselves fucked up." - three
  • Nouman Ali Khan accused of inappropriate interactions with female followers
     Reply #9 - September 23, 2017, 06:57 PM

    ^

    Did you read the screenshots in the blog post ?

    Some highlights.

    " If you're not comfortable getting wild I'm the wrong kind of guy.. I'm not Vanilla "

    " Because I want you to work out with me Smiley  .. Obviously in clothes that meet sharia requirements. "

    -- Nouman Ali Khan  AKA The Smooth Ustadh ".   

    https://skepticaldesi.wordpress.com/2017/09/23/evidence-against-nouman-ali-khan-screenshots/

    In my opinion a life without curiosity is not a life worth living
  • Nouman Ali Khan accused of inappropriate interactions with female followers
     Reply #10 - September 23, 2017, 07:20 PM

    Yes, those bits were pretty pathetic. 

    Don't let Hitler have the street.
  • Nouman Ali Khan accused of inappropriate interactions with female followers
     Reply #11 - September 23, 2017, 07:39 PM

    Oh I skimmed through that part, it made me cringe Grin

    "The healthiest people I know are those who are the first to label themselves fucked up." - three
  • Nouman Ali Khan accused of inappropriate interactions with female followers
     Reply #12 - September 24, 2017, 02:40 AM

    Nouman Ali Khan rejects accusations of “inappropriate” behaviour with women as lies

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    The world-renowned American Muslim lecturer, Nouman Ali Khan, has rejected claims made by a so-called “friend” that he had “inappropriate interactions with various women”.

    On Friday morning, a Facebook status was posted by Omer Mozaffar – who claims to be a friend of NAK – which accused the prominent Quran lecturer of “inappropriate” behaviour with numerous females.

    Whilst the post which went viral did not specify details or cite evidences of the allegations, the claimant stated that he acted as a “mediator” along with local scholars from Dallas to prevent NAK from continuing his alleged “abuse of authority”.

    Mr Mozaffar’s post also claimed that NAK had “confessed” to some of the allegations before he breached an agreement to discontinue with public speaking and posting content on social media, and subsequently threatened the “mediators” with legal action if they publicised the issue.

    As thousands of Muslims joined the social media debate about the controversy, many defended NAK due to the absence of any evidence of incriminating behaviour, while others criticised the celebrity speaker for abusing his authority with female students and followers.

    In addition to Mr Mozaffar’s post, prominent Canadian speaker, Navaid Aziz, also repeated the accusations, stating that it had been “verified by multiple people, and some of them have even been confessed by him”. However, in the comments sections, Mr Aziz confirmed that the allegations were not concerning rape or sexual assault but “purely an abuse of power”.

    Quote
    Dr Yasir Qadhi of Al-Maghrib Institute posted a status which discussed the misplaced elevation of scholars by the masses, the abuse of power and authority by men of knowledge, and the issue of sinning and repenting. Whilst many assumed this status was indirectly addressing the NAK controversy, Dr Qadhi confirmed that it was a generic status.


    NAK’s response

    NAK eventually responded on Facebook yesterday night by unequivocally rejecting the accusations as “lies”.

    He posted the following lengthy response of his official page:

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    “I want to first thank those persons who have seen through the falseness of these allegations. Some individuals, unfortunately, have taken it upon themselves to pull matters out of my personal life, take them out of context, manipulate the facts and present a narrative using these distortions to fulfill their own agenda. It left a lot to the imagination so let me first state that I testify without hesitation or doubt that I have never used my public platform as a means to take advantage of anyone.

    They also use the generic words ‘inappropriate interactions’ leading the imagination of a reader down the worst possible path. This itself is a grievous sin. The word used for slander is (ramy) in the Qur’an. It literally means to cast a stone. The crime isn’t that you come outright explicitly and say against someone that they’ve committed inappropriate acts. The crime is that you cast something in that direction and let the ripples carry their effect. This is what these people have done.

    I have been speaking about the Book of Allah for nearly 20 years for one single motivation; I love this book and I love sharing what I learn about it. I have interacted with hundreds of thousands of individuals, men and women, young and old, around the world in person and done so with dignity. I would hope and pray that the countless people I did interact with in person of either gender will testify to the way I conducted myself with them, hoping for nothing more but a chance to earn their prayers. That’s where I have the most meaningful exchanges with the community. That is when people share their concerns and questions with me and there isn’t anything inappropriate about it. I’m sure the countless people that have been part of these exchanges will testify to that fact. I’d like to add that I’ve had female students at my own campus for years and no student ever has or ever will claim that I’ve been inappropriate in the least bit.

    We all have things we have to repent for. I’m not a counsellor and I’ve never claimed to be. I’m not an Imam and I’ve never claimed to be. I’m an avid and passionate student, teacher and lecturer with a focus on Allah’s book. I find it demeaning to have to speak about my personal life. I feel at some level though I don’t have a choice. I have been divorced for nearly two years. The circumstances of my divorce are one of the most difficult and painful experiences of my life. Many rumours surrounded that event and I chose to remain silent to protect my children more than anyone else. After the passage of some time I did in fact pursue remarriage with the help of my family. Along that process I communicated with a few prospects with my family’s knowledge and consent and that has been used, distorted and manipulated way out of proportion and turned into something it isn’t. All such communications took place between consenting adults and there was nothing malicious or predatory about them. I fail to see how such interaction can render anyone a victim. These communications took place for a dignified purpose. Yet these are the communications that are being alleged as predatory.

    But when some individuals try to make it sound like one has to repent before Allah in a way that satisfies their delusional sense of self-righteousness, there’s a problem. Your taubah, for anything you may have done is between you and your Maker. As many in the community have said, if my actions are in fact a threat to the community, show evidence of that.
    Lies are best told with a grain of truth. The people who accused me are not interested in clarification nor in rectifying the matter. They came to me with their minds made up. Their allegations as they have now themselves outlined, I explicitly reject and deny. I have been blackmailed, threatened, harassed and warned that if I was to give a single sermon, talk about a single ayah, post a single new video about the Qur’an or Islam, that they will go on a campaign to ensure I am painted as some sort of threat to the Muslim community.
    My mission and sacrifice for two decades has been to help spread a better understanding of the Qur’an. With these threats, I was terrified at first that those years of service will be brought to ruin even if later these claims are proven false. Everyone’s attention will be on this non-sense and not the work and contribution that actually matters.
    I deliberately avoided any public engagement for months thought their demands were that it stay the case for years. But recently evidence was discovered, only and only by the grace of Allah, that this was all part of a scheme. My employees discovered loads of explicit illegal activity that some of these individuals were involved in knowingly and others were just along for the ride at the expense of me and my company. I decided to get legal help and protect my family, my employees, myself, and my work from them. I found evidence of explicit lying and deliberate exaggerations.
    Some of these individuals have used the word ‘verified’ to give credibility to their claims. Just because a number of people are ‘verifying’ something, doesn’t make it true. If that was the case, the accusation against our mother Aisha (RA) was circling the entire city of Madina.
    As for the ‘agreement’ that these individuals speak of that I’m no longer abiding by, perhaps I can offer some context. I tried to convince this group to allow for senior scholars and leaders from across the country to hear both sides and assist in civil fashion. They knew the presence of neutral parties would compromise their agenda so they threatened to not meet at all if anyone from the outside was allowed.
    Deeply concerned that my whole life work will come to ruin, I was abiding by their demand to not speak in public or teach, I discovered that they continued to disparage me in the vilest of ways. While I was in Mecca for Umrah, they held public gatherings attempting to rip my character to shreds allowing me no opportunity to even defend myself. These people stand up for the rights of the community and want to protect the Ummah? Where is Islam in the way they are conducting themselves in this case? I even met members of the community that attended and were disgusted by these gatherings.
    They furthermore explicitly lied in writing to heads of organisations saying that I’ve been banned from speaking at major conventions. I spoke to the heads of those conventions asking them if that was the case and their lies were laid bare. One of this accusing group admitted to me multiple times and even in the presence of others that he was blackmailed to take part in this witch hunt. That if he didn’t they’d accuse him of colluding with me in some way.
    The individual who posted these claims against me posed himself as a mediator and unfortunately he was anything but. He claims I’ve known him for twenty years. I’ve spoken to him in friendly ways no more than a couple of dozen times in that entire span. We don’t live in the same city. I’m cordial with him and until this disappointing turn of events, I know little to nothing about his family and he knows virtually nothing about mine. To claim he’s my friend of 20 years to insinuate that he knows my personal life is really far from the truth. A mediator isn’t supposed to be an instigator. Unfortunately in this post, I see nothing more than an attempt to seek the limelight through scandal. There have been sincere efforts by elders in the community and neutral parties to resolve these claims in a dignified fashion and his irresponsible and grossly inaccurate post did nothing more than to try and derail that process.
    I appreciate the outpouring of support. You cannot imagine the pain and humiliation this has caused me and my family. I have sons and daughters, I have sisters and nieces. This public stunt could potentially traumatize them for the rest of their lives. Produce witnesses of explicit haram that one has committed and if not, then
    فأولآءك عند الله هم الكاذبون
    they, as far as Allah is concerned, are the liars.
    Dignity is in the hands of Allah. I cannot control what anyone will think of me. The noblest people of the past had to face some of the worst humiliations imaginable. My mistakes, and Allah knows them just as He knows yours, I make taubah for as I have been.
    To those that have chosen to try to tear my character to shreds before the eyes of millions, I suppose I’ll be thanking you on judgment day for taking the burden of my sins from me. What you have done is far worse in our religion than anything you could possibly have accused me of.

    To my audience, I simply say this. I am a public figure and I have a personal life. I am imperfect. Like anyone, my personal life and its struggles are mine to bear. I don’t post daily updates of what I do with my kids or what dua my mom made for me or where I prayed fajr. I don’t need to prove that I’m a great dad or son or anything else. That is my personal life. I’ve never made it the stuff of social media except if I wanted to share some insight. My public life has to do with teaching Allah’s book. Sharing what inspires me, I will continue to do that. My solemn promise to you is that whether online or at some location that you might find me speaking, I will carry myself with the same dignity I always have and I will do my best to live these few breaths I have left on this earth trying to serve the book of Allah in a way that He may find pleasing.

    I know why I do this and I know why Allah put a love in the hearts of people for my work. It’s not because I’m a great speaker or scholar (I’m not a scholar and have never claimed to be), but it’s always been one thing; sincerity. If I’ve lost that I’ve lost everything. I’m going to continue to be who I am and will no longer entertain these claims and allegations because I have more important things to do with my life. I’m done being bullied and harassed.

    Lastly to Allah, I declare that I am your imperfect slave who seeks forgiveness for sins known and unknown to myself and others. I know that You have honoured me in this life in great part because of the duas of my parents, those that I have sincerely tried to do good towards and benefit, my students and audience, and because I have tried to serve Your book. Your promise is that: “You will not find a refuge besides It (the book).” So I turn to You as your beaten, humbled slave and beg You. Allow me to serve Your book and make that service a source of protection for me and any who come to it with genuine hearts. If I have Your protection Ya Rabb, I need nothing else.

    I have not taken the sacred platform to teach the Qur’an and used it for lowly aims. Allah knows who I am and I am grateful to Him and to you for your duas and support in this difficult time. I don’t wish this kind of onslaught on anyone, not even against those that are responsible for it against me.
    I would rather not speak about this again as it is a distraction from Allah’s book that is much more worthy of being spoken about.”


    well that is what he says  .. yes that big Al knows the best

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Nouman Ali Khan accused of inappropriate interactions with female followers
     Reply #13 - September 24, 2017, 04:31 PM

    https://www.dawn.com/news/1359745/nouman-ali-khan-urges-for-theatre-free-environment-to-investigate-allegations-against-him

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    Nouman Ali Khan  on Friday

    While I am concerned about preserving the integrity of my work, family and reputation, I'm also genuinely concerned about the negative fallout of this unfortunate spiral on the larger community. I have a suggestion to those that feel there are victims whose rights we must stand up for. As I made clear in my statement I believe the interactions in question were based on mutual consent and there was no questionable intent behind them. If there are parties who feel otherwise and feel victimized, I am ready and willing to listen to them, be it though arbiters of their choice, attorneys and senior trusted members of the community. I understand the sentiment that people feel in that victims may be too afraid to come forward for many reasons but they have my word that they will be safe from public scrutiny.

    I have never been given an opportunity to have these claims specifically brought to me and to respond to them in any attempt to resolve the matter. This is not about my reputation. This is to protect these alleged victims, my family and the ummah. If I am invited to such a meeting, I will not refuse.

    Let's allow for a theater free environment to examine all the evidence, cross examine it, discuss and debate it and then conclude. Let us get to the truth of this as I am weary of the way things have transpired. People knowledgeable in Islam should not be solving disputes through hearsay and a public spectacle. I am more than happy to defer to elders in our community as to how to move forward once fair process is given its due.

    May Allah give us all sincerity, a commitment to justice and a desire to have our deeds motivated by the desire to do good and please only our Maker.


    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Nouman Ali Khan accused of inappropriate interactions with female followers
     Reply #14 - September 24, 2017, 09:08 PM

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    What is issue. No woman accusing him for any wrong doing . All the religious preachers live lustful life. Since they are smooth talkers ,woman easily fall for them.


    "Life is not a matter of holding good cards, but of playing a poor hand well."
    - Robert Louis Stevenson
  • Nouman Ali Khan accused of inappropriate interactions with female followers
     Reply #15 - September 25, 2017, 12:48 AM

    A lady told me about this whole scandal yesterday. Since I'm from a Shia background I had no idea about it but I find the entire thing comical and nonsensical as others have stated. One of the big Muslim leaders is a total hypocrite...**SHOCKER**

    "Nothing lasts forever. Even the stars die."

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    A for Apostate
    A for Anonymous
    A for Aqua
  • Nouman Ali Khan accused of inappropriate interactions with female followers
     Reply #16 - September 25, 2017, 01:15 AM

    ...............One of the big Muslim leaders is a total hypocrite...**SHOCKER**...........


    let me correct bit on those Aqua words  

    All of those   biiiig Islam Preaching Muslim leaders are total hypocrites...**SHOCKER**...........


    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Nouman Ali Khan accused of inappropriate interactions with female followers
     Reply #17 - September 25, 2017, 06:43 AM

    This is blown way out of proportion. But I guess it's fucked up since he preaches gender segregation and "proper etiquette" for male-female interaction, but fails miserably to abide by it himself.

    "The healthiest people I know are those who are the first to label themselves fucked up." - three
  • Nouman Ali Khan accused of inappropriate interactions with female followers
     Reply #18 - September 25, 2017, 12:04 PM

    Honestly, that completely explains the reaction.

    And honestly, the level of cognitive dissonance is so high, that the reaction will simply be to figuratively tar and feather the guy, instead of looking to see if there's a bigger problem.

    how fuck works without shit??


    Let's Play Chess!

    harakaat, friend, RIP
  • Nouman Ali Khan accused of inappropriate interactions with female followers
     Reply #19 - September 25, 2017, 12:28 PM

    Honestly, that completely explains the reaction.

    And honestly, the level of cognitive dissonance is so high, .......

    well when you preach nonsense from the so-called religious books by baboons of Islam day in and day out for children right from the age of two,  with such  so-called words of Allah/god as these

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    Your wives are a tilth for you, so go to your tilth (have sexual relations with your wives in any manner as long as it is in the vagina and not in the anus), when or how you will, and send (good deeds, or ask Allah to bestow upon you pious offspring) before you for your ownselves. And fear Allah, and know that you are to meet Him (in the Hereafter), and give good tidings to the believers (O Muhammad).

     . Allah commands you as regards your children's (inheritance); to the male, a portion equal to that of two females; if (there are) only daughters, two or more, their share is two thirds of the inheritance; if only one, her share is half. For parents, a sixth share of inheritance to each if the deceased left children; if no children, and the parents are the (only) heirs, the mother has a third; if the deceased left brothers or (sisters), the mother has a sixth. (The distribution in all cases is) after the payment of legacies he may have bequeathed or debts. You know not which of them, whether your parents or your children, are nearest to you in benefit, (these fixed shares) are ordained by Allah. And Allah is Ever All-Knower, All-Wise.


    O Prophet (Muhammad)! Verily, We have made lawful to you your wives, to whom you have paid their Mahr (bridal money given by the husband to his wife at the time of marriage), and those (captives or slaves) whom your right hand possesses - whom Allah has given to you, and the daughters of your 'Amm (paternal uncles) and the daughters of your 'Ammah (paternal aunts) and the daughters of your Khal (maternal uncles) and the daughters of your Khalah (maternal aunts) who migrated (from Makkah) with you, and a believing woman if she offers herself to the Prophet, and the Prophet wishes to marry her; a privilege for you only, not for the (rest of) the believers. Indeed We know what We have enjoined upon them about their wives and those (captives or slaves) whom their right hands possess, - in order that there should be no difficulty on you. And Allah is Ever Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.

    Also (forbidden are) women already married, except those (captives and slaves) whom your right hands possess. Thus has Allah ordained for you. All others are lawful, provided you seek (them in marriage) with Mahr (bridal money given by the husband to his wife at the time of marriage) from your property, desiring chastity, not committing illegal sexual intercourse, so with those of whom you have enjoyed sexual relations, give them their Mahr as prescribed; but if after a Mahr is prescribed, you agree mutually (to give more), there is no sin on you. Surely, Allah is Ever All-Knowing, All-Wise.


    And these baboons of Islam that preach from the book  do not even use their brain/commonsense  to analyze why such statements are there in those books ..

    well the end results when those children grow up as adults is.,  you will have confusion everywhere  and  cognitive dissonance all over the brain

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Nouman Ali Khan accused of inappropriate interactions with female followers
     Reply #20 - September 25, 2017, 01:21 PM

    On some level, if I project a bit, I can empathize with NAK. While he ultimately did choose the role of preacher voluntarily, he is also to a certain extent playing a role that is bigger than himself and that comes with certain expectations that he did not create. To his customers, he filled that role effectively as is evident by their loyalty to his brand.

    In a typical job, you get to have a private life that no one much cares about so long as you haven’t done anything egregiously illegal or unethical – which, in my opinion, he hasn’t.

    Even if he did personally disagree with sunni Islam’s rules surrounding courtship and chose not to abide by them, he could never have said that publically in his role because his scripts were already written for him.

    And if he truly believes in eternal punishment for not constantly “denying the soul its desires,” even if those desires are entirely normal and natural, it may not be as simple as a choice to be or not to be vocal about it.

    This creates the cognitive dissonance you guys describe above and that is something I can empathize with. It forces you to create different personas: a persona for the broader public, a persona for your close circle of friends, and a suppressed inner persona known only to those most intimately close to you.
  • Nouman Ali Khan accused of inappropriate interactions with female followers
     Reply #21 - September 25, 2017, 01:41 PM

    I agree^

    I have hesitated to get involved in trail by internet so beloved by many Muslims.

    All I will say is yes of course I see the hypocrisy in publicly preaching about how others should behave in their private life and let's say "bending" those rules for himself.

    But as you rightly say such preachers are confined to a script they dare not deviate from.

    I only hope it will bring some good in the sense of such preachers being more courageous in challenging the "rules" & reexamining and introspection amongst Muslims in general.
  • Nouman Ali Khan accused of inappropriate interactions with female followers
     Reply #22 - September 25, 2017, 01:47 PM

    It would be good if NAK and some of his followers read some of the reasonable comments here on this thread and compared them to some of the hysterical comments from their fellow Muslims.
  • Nouman Ali Khan accused of inappropriate interactions with female followers
     Reply #23 - September 25, 2017, 02:56 PM

    There are people on the original thread saying the person who brought NAK's sexual assault allegations to light should be whipped 80 times.

    Along with calling him an apostate and conspiring with zionists.

    It's as if criticizing NAK is tantamount to blasphemy....

    In my opinion a life without curiosity is not a life worth living
  • Nouman Ali Khan accused of inappropriate interactions with female followers
     Reply #24 - September 25, 2017, 03:34 PM

    There are people on the original thread saying the person who brought NAK's sexual assault allegations to light should be whipped 80 times.

     s.

    It's as if criticizing NAK is tantamount to blasphemy.......


    In a real world of Islam that is exactly what will happen to the lady that alleges sexual harrasment by these religion preaching wolves in sheep cloth .. in fact there is  a perfect last year example of my Land of pure .. Qandeel Baloch

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTaqAnK5t5k

    The result of all that is this  not just whipping 80 times.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=McjvAl4bVkw

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqO3QBnu9IY


    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Nouman Ali Khan accused of inappropriate interactions with female followers
     Reply #25 - September 25, 2017, 04:49 PM

    But as you rightly say such preachers are confined to a script they dare not deviate from.

    I only hope it will bring some good in the sense of such preachers being more courageous in challenging the "rules" & reexamining and introspection amongst Muslims in general.


    Sexual control is at the core of doctrine, the very essence which makes it especially unique and potent in it's most fundamentalist interpretation. I wouldn't hold my breath. This is exactly the sort of issue that gets the most disproportionate push back from extremists.

    how fuck works without shit??


    Let's Play Chess!

    harakaat, friend, RIP
  • Nouman Ali Khan accused of inappropriate interactions with female followers
     Reply #26 - September 25, 2017, 09:30 PM

    Going by info from people who knew his ex in laws he ignored and neglected his kids while constantly preaching family values. As an example the ex mother in law in a public Facebook comment described how he never even visited his own kid in the hospital for heart surgery. 

    In my opinion a life without curiosity is not a life worth living
  • Nouman Ali Khan accused of inappropriate interactions with female followers
     Reply #27 - September 26, 2017, 02:22 AM

    Going by info from people who knew his ex in laws he ignored and neglected his kids while constantly preaching family values. As an example the ex mother in law in a public Facebook comment described how he never even visited his own kid in the hospital for heart surgery. 

    well  6 kids .... busy chatting    so no time .,  so did you get that Ex_??

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6yvSQEdLrcQ

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Nouman Ali Khan accused of inappropriate interactions with female followers
     Reply #28 - September 26, 2017, 09:03 AM

    the salafis on facebook are saying he was soft on gender segregation... and this is where that mentality leads. the reaction is that more and stricter segregation is the answer. i doubt this will make muslims question islamic rules about sex and gender relations
  • Nouman Ali Khan accused of inappropriate interactions with female followers
     Reply #29 - September 27, 2017, 02:18 AM

    Yes. Give them an inch and they will take a mile. Never happy unless we are locked up and gagged.

    Don't let Hitler have the street.
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