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  • How will you guys respond to this?
     OP - August 25, 2017, 10:29 AM

    "Referring to certain verses of the Quran, there are some who attempt to give the impression that Islam is a religion of war and violence. This is totally untrue. Such verses relate in a restricted sense and situation. Observe the following verse,

    “Kill them wherever you find them.” (Quran 2:191)

    The above verse does not convey the general command of Islam. The truth of the matter is that the Quran was not revealed in the complete form in which it exists today. It was revealed from time to time, according to the circumstances, over a time span of 23 years. If this is divided into years of war and peace, the period of peace amounts to 20 years, while that of war amounts only to 3 years. The revelations during these 20 peaceful years were the peaceful teachings of Islam as are conveyed in the verses regarding the realization of God, worship, morality, justice, etc.

    This division of commands into different categories is a natural one and is found in all religious books. For instance, the Gita, the holy book of the Hindus, pertains to wisdom and moral values. Yet along with this is the exhortation of Krishna to Arjuna, encouraging him to fight (Bhagavad Gita, 3:30). This does not mean that believers in the Gita should wage wars all the time. Mahatma Gandhi, after all, derived his philosophy of non-violence from the same Gita. The exhortation to wage war in the Gita applies only to exceptional cases where circumstances leave no choice. But for general day-to-day existence it gives the same peaceful commands as derived from it by Mahatma Gandhi.

    Similarly, Jesus Christ said,

    “Do not think that I came to bring peace on Earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.” (Matthew, 10:34).

    It would not be right to conclude that the religion preached by Christ was one of war and violence, for such utterances relate purely to particular occasions. So far as general life is concerned, Christ taught peaceful values, such as the building up of a good character, loving each other, helping the poor and needy, etc. The same is true of the Quran. When the Prophet of Islam emigrated from Makkah to Madinah, the idolatrous tribes were aggressive towards him. But the Prophet always averted their attacks by the exercise of patience and the strategy of avoidance. However on certain occasions no other options existed, save that of retaliation. Therefore, he had to do defensive battle on certain occasions. It was these circumstances, which occasioned those revelations relating to war. These commands, being specific to certain circumstances, had no general application. They were not meant to be valid for all time to come. That is why the permanent status of the Prophet has been termed a “mercy for all mankind.” (Quran 21:107).

    In principle, Quran teaches peace and complete freedom of thought and religion and does not, to any extent, advocate for the killing of non-believers."
  • How will you guys respond to this?
     Reply #1 - August 25, 2017, 10:59 AM

    It depends who I am, or who your intended audience is.

    From an Ex Muslim perspective, I think that the quran is just the ramblings of a man over 23 years, where what he said depended on the situation he was faced with.

    I seems to me that He didnt quite realise that the context he was reacting to would not obvious to anyone reading the Quran in the future, so he generally did not think it necessary to mention the context in any of his ayah.  What we have now is a bunch of general statements which can mean a whole bunch of things to a whole bunch of people.

    For the war monger the ayah confirms that non believers need to be killed
    and for the new age muslim, it needs to be understood in the context of an Islamic State with a Just caliph and lots of other context.

    Luckily with thousands of hadith, any perspective can be justified with the right combination of evidence. 

    We are so lucky that Allah spent his eternity before writing the Quran wisely, by thinking carefully about how he was going to convey a clear message, that only the evil at heart could misunderstand.

    A perfectly just God who sentences his imperfect creation to infinite punishment for finite sins is impossible
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