I think that his main accurate point about the cowardice and hypocrisy of British politicians and police when dealing with muslim extremism gets lost when he uses such confrontational tactics. And that is a great shame because he has a very good point to make.
You're right, he has a great point to make, but I like his confrontational style of debate. He is the only one to cut through the bullshit and call out Islam for what it is. I have so much respect for a man who publicly confronts rapists. He's willing to actively do something about it.
In regards to the Quillam situation, I see no problem with openly going out to challenge someone who's called you a white supremacist. He's tired of talking, he's tired of the bullshit, he's going for it.
Although, I will say that if he develops his knowledge a little more, he'd be respected. Clearly since his EDL days (good he left them) he's brushed up his knowledge and has actually studied Islam, I believe he knows the religion better than Muslims themselves. I don't know if you're from the UK but one reason I can identify with what he says is because he mainly refers to Pakistani-Muslims he's grown up around. A lot of the things he says about them really hits close to home, like the time he said he has one Pakistani friend who isn't a Muslim anymore, is a peaceful person and didn't have a father to shove religion down his throat, something I have a direct experience with.
But yeah, he needs to continue to develop this knowledge. But just because he doesn't talk like Richard Dawkins or someone else from an upper-class background, it doesn't mean he's not intelligent. He talks the way he talks. He came from a lower-class family. He represents what the people are really thinking. The fact that he's grown up around Muslims in Luton gives him direct experience with these issues. He's one of my favourite speakers who criticise Islam.
Oh, you're one of those.
One of what?
It's not surprising that you want to deport Muslims then. You two deserve each other.
I think it's safe to call you a liar. I never said that.
FYI you did suggest that other religions don't inspire violent behaviour, reread your OP in you other thread. That is why we brought up Christianity, it isn't a mere case of whataboutery.
In the same thread where I asked WHAT MAKES ISLAM DIFFERENT? DO YOU THINK THERE'S A DOUBLE STANDARD? IS ISLAM AS BAD AS THE OTHERS? How about the countless times I've said in THIS very thread that I'm not denying the dvil in Christianity? Also, I like how you have used the word suggest, because you know I haven't said directly other religions don't inspire violence. At the same time, I don't know how you've interpreted that from everything I've said. Stop spreading lies about me.
Why are you surprised? We are anti-Islamism and some are even anti-Islam but I rarely come across an ex-Muslim who is anti-Muslim. Why would you expect us to be?
I'm not saying you should
be, it was the idea I had in mind. We have seen Islam from the inside and out. We have been able to say we no longer follow the faith. I am not saying you should be an anti-Muslim nor did I say I expect
you to be an anti-Muslim either (lie number 3). I am saying that I would have THOUGHT that from your experiences, you would have been harsher critics. That's fine if you're not, I'm not going to force anything down your throats, it was just what I had in mind.
The majority of the people I care about the most are Muslims.
Me too. I have a mother to think of. Brothers. Cousins. Friends. In fact, the only reason I haven't gone public just yet is because I fear for not my own safety, but the safety of these people. These Muslims.
In my view anti-Muslim bigots are just as bad as Islamists.
It depends. What do you mean my anti-Muslims? Anti-Muslims that attack Muslims physically, then yes, they are as bad, like the man who drove a van into the crowd of Muslims the other week in London. Tommy Robinson has done neither. Like I said in an earlier post, I have never incited violence against Muslims, so don't you dare imply I am in that bracket.
A lot of them are closeted racists who disguise their hatred for people who look a certain way as criticism of a religion.
You know the "criticising Islam is racist" garbage is invalid, so what you have done here is suggest that people like Tommy criticise Islam because they are racist. Never mind that Tommy has had brown men at his wedding. Never mind that he has sat down with them and had peaceful discussions, like with Mo Ansar. Yes, this is true for some, but to imply that someone is criticising a religion because of their hate for brown people is an extremely bigoted and simply stupid thing to say.
You think guys like Tommy want to put their lives on the line and their own children's lives on the line by making it their job to criticise Islam, simply because they hate Pakistanis? Don't be stupid. How about you listen to what they have to say rather than simply screaming racist, unless you can provide me evidence of racism, from a man like Tommy Robinson.
They disguise it very badly though. It doesn't take much winding up to make their veil drop.
They don't disguise anything. It is your misinterpretation. Because of people like you, the word racist no longer holds any weight. It used to be a dirty word that was applied to actual racists. You know, slave owners, people that attack ethnic minorities. ACTUAL racists. Because the left throws around the word like it's nothing, using it against anyone because it makes them feel good, it means nothing. Anyone can be called a racist now. I have been called a racist, against those of the same skin colour as myself which makes no sense.
If you're a person of colour and you view them as allies then you are a fool.
If I as a person of colour, which I am, view Tommy Robinson, a white male, as an ally, then I'm a fool? THAT is racist.
Also, I like how your tone towards me changed the moment you realised I support Tommy Robinson. As an ex-Muslim, something I would definitely expect from you is to allow freedom of speech and expression and to not judge someone by their beliefs as such, but through the content of the character. I criticise feminists all of the time. Do I hate feminists? No, one of the sweetest girls I know works with me is (unfortunately) a feminist. I have vigorously attacked Islam and Muslims on this forum in the short period of time I've been here, yet the people I mostly care for are ALL Muslims. Not just some, or most. ALL of them. Just because I support Tommy, I don't understand why you would change your tone towards me. Do it, I don't care. I just would have expected otherwise from a former Muslim.