What you will find people objecting to is your claim that it is the only religion that is used to justify violence and atrocities, which simply isn't true.
Woah woah woah, I don't recall saying that.
There are people on one end of the spectrum who deny the role of Islam in certain atrocities
Fools. Individuals who cannot only admit things to others, but also to themselves.
and there are people on the other end who like to pretend that Islam is the only ideology that plays a role in violence.
Unfortunately, yes, but I am not one of them, I have tried to make that clear.
that's why it's relevant to bring other religions into the equation as examples.
It's only relevant if we are talking about religion as a whole and if I said that Islam is the only religion inciting violence.
Like I said, I'm here to talk about a religion I have been a part of.
There is also your claim that Islam cannot be reformed. We had a far-right member here not long ago who said the same thing. He said that as a result he wanted to subjugate Muslims and deprive them of their civil liberties in order to save us all from the inevitable Islamic takeover. People with that sort of mentality are dangerous extremists themselves, and they are actually talking about harming our families and people we care about.
I am a right-winger, but I have never incited violence against Muslims, I would only use physical force in self-defence.
So I'm curious to know: if you do not believe that Islam can be reformed then what is it that you want to happen?
MAYBE reform. I'm not sure if it's possible. I don't think it is. But like I said in Hassan's thread, I might be wrong. I guess that thread was posted at a VERY convenient time. I've identified the problem, now I'm trying to work out the solution.
Where I live we are well aware that Christians are going around killing people. We have Christian snipers, Christian stabbers, Christian bombers, and those general crazies, too, who hear voices and shit. Yet all that makes the media are the Muslim ones. We are so accustomed to Christian violence that it doesn't even make the news. Our Christians also find God in the prisons and get out and go on speaking tours. You are just looking at this all backward. The problem is religion.
Definitely. Now I am sure there are violent Christians out there. Like I said, I'm not denying that.
Yeah the problems in Islam don't disappear. Neither do the problems in Christianity-even if we give them no air time.
Again, I am here to talk about Islam, something I have had a direct experience with since as far back as I can remember. Religion is poison and it should be highlighted, but in this case, my intro thread, I'm talking specifically about Islam.
So what is Islam? Is it the canon, ummah, the history? Is it all three? Because most people think of Islam as being Muslims. This is not the case. So you don't think Muslims are evil, then what is in Islam? The canonical text, right? Let's get more precise.
I'm not entirely sure what you're getting at here, but I'd say both are the problem. Islam as it has its evil roots and Muslims as they follow it blindly without question. Even if not all Muslims are violent, many Muslims still have backwards views. Where I live, I don't think any of them would go out there and stab a police officer, but I can guarantee you that many of them are sexist, homophobic and intolerant.
Also, I read your intro thread, I hope everything is going good for you and your children right now.
Welcome to the forum SubbyX!
Thanks for the welcome!
I was perhaps a little harsh with my first post. I completely understand your anger, resentment and bitterness. It's what a great many people go through when they first leave Islam and feel that they have been lied to for their whole lives. I felt a lot of bitterness and resentment. I spent almost a year feeling sorry for myself, bitching about Islam and isolating myself from family and friends. And feel free to bitch about it as much as you want, let it all out. But don't let the negativity cloud your judgement, so that you end up falling into the trap of supporting far-right ideas, such as banning Islam and deporting Muslims.
I like that view point. Who knows, maybe it's just a phase, or maybe I really do hate the religion. We'll see.