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OP - June 08, 2017, 09:55 AM

Discuss.

I think that the Tories will win, unfortunately. Here's to another 5 years of weapons sales the Saudi Arabia (the biggest sponsor of terrorism), making us less safe, additional cuts to security services, also making us less safe, further privatisation of the NHS (because being like America is what every country should aspire to ), the alteration of our human rights laws to strip us of our protection against the government, legislation that will allow them to monitor our web usage, a dementia tax on elderly pensioners who have worked hard and paid taxes their entire lives, and austerity cuts that make life harder on everyone except for the richest 5%.

Who needs higher corporation taxes? Never mind that they will still be among one of the lowest rates in Europe, we mustn't let rich corporations suffer more than they already have.
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Reply #1 - June 08, 2017, 10:28 AM

I have issues with all of them but I genuinely fear Diane Abbot becoming the most powerful woman in the country.

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Reply #2 - June 08, 2017, 11:22 AM

Why?

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Reply #3 - June 08, 2017, 11:42 AM

It is really up to the US to bully Saudi Arabia into ending their financial support and promotion of Wahabi Islam. GB is these days too small a player economically and militarily to be able to effectively exert that kind of influence.

I have read that American representations have taken place with Saudi leaders privately via diplomatic channels. I only hope it's true.
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Reply #4 - June 08, 2017, 11:53 AM

Quote from: toor on June 08, 2017, 11:22 AM
Why?

Polls. I will be voting, of course. The Tories aren't very popular among young people and all but one of my friends will not be voting for them. But the fact is that the elderly and middle-aged population have vast voting powers, and many reputable polls show the Tories winning. The saddest part is that they are going to be hit the hardest by these new proposals.

I didn't care for Labour before Jeremy Corbyn. I feel that he is more genuine than any of the other politicians out there and really wants to do good; his voting record and activism speak for themselves. Probably too good for us though.

It makes my blood boil to think that my parents could be forced to sell their house to pay off their social care, after working so hard to provide for us for decades.
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Reply #5 - June 08, 2017, 12:02 PM

Quote from: AGirlWithDoubts on June 08, 2017, 11:53 AM

Since toor said that in reply to me are you also replying to/asking me?

`But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
`Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad.'
`How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
`You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
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Reply #6 - June 08, 2017, 01:03 PM

For those of you who are undecided on who to vote for, I found this post on social media:
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If you're still not sure who to vote for today, why not vote for one of these people...

■ Vote for David Clapson who was found dead after his benefits were stopped on the grounds that he wasn’t taking the search for work seriously. He had an empty stomach, and just £3.44 to his name.

■ Vote for Lee and Katrina Parker who were left unable to afford the rent on their four-bedroom house and feed their seven children because of the bedroom tax. They were forcibly evicted by bailiffs after choosing to prioritise their hungry children over mounting rent arrears.

■ Vote for Rob Tomlinson, a man who has cerebral palsy. His parents now have to bathe him in a paddling pool on their living room floor after new benefit rules forced him out of a home converted for his care.

■ Vote for Paul Reekie, an acclaimed Scottish writer who took his own life. When his body was found there were two letters on his table. One was notifying him that his housing benefit had been stopped. The other was notifying him that his incapacity benefit had been stopped.

■ Vote for Richard Sanderson, an unemployed father of a nine-year old son and husband to an adoring wife. Richard stabbed himself twice through the heart when his family faced losing their home to housing benefit cuts; the family receiving a letter stating their housing benefit would be cut by £30 a month, leaving them with ‘nowhere to go’.

■ Vote for Stephanie Bottrill, from Solihull in the West Midlands. She died in the early hours of the 4th of May after being hit by a lorry on the M6 near her home. In her suicide note she wrote “It’s my life, the only people to blame are the government”. Her family said she had been worried about how she would afford an extra £20 a week as a result of changes to her housing benefit.

This isn't an exaggeration either; I work with these people. Not the exact people mentioned in the post but people who are very similar to them and are treated with contempt by the Jobcentre and the DWP, as though living in poverty is their fault. We have a government that can't be trusted with a fair division of wealth and to prioritise expenditure in a way that designed to benefit the ordinary people.
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Reply #7 - June 08, 2017, 01:15 PM

Which party do you think will most benefit the vulnerable/disabled?

`But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
`Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad.'
`How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
`You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
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Reply #8 - June 08, 2017, 10:07 PM

The exit poll results are in, astonishing stuff. A hung parliament seems too good to be true
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Reply #9 - June 09, 2017, 04:44 AM

May out, election sequel coming soon!
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Reply #10 - June 09, 2017, 11:33 AM

She will step down if she has any sense. We will likely be seeing some hardline Christians in power in Parliament now (DUP), and while I don't regret last night's results. The DUP can only cause the weakened Conservative government to lose even more support.

New Labour and Blairism is dead, that's something to celebrate.
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Reply #11 - June 09, 2017, 11:54 AM

Quote from: AGirlWithDoubts on June 08, 2017, 01:03 PM
For those of you who are undecided on who to vote for, I found this post on social media:
This isn't an exaggeration either; I work with these people. Not the exact people mentioned in the post but people who are very similar to them and are treated with contempt by the Jobcentre and the DWP, as though living in poverty is their fault. We have a government that can't be trusted with a fair division of wealth and to prioritise expenditure in a way that designed to benefit the ordinary people.

Stop voting for people that promise you free crap. Stop turning to government for all your ills. Stop thinking government should be socialists because you want a socialist government.

" fair division of wealth " Since when is government entitled to divide anyone's wealth? Oh I forgot socialists think that they and government are entitled to other people's money...

Government is the problem not merely the party in it. Again stop treating government as the cure-all for people's issues.
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Reply #12 - June 09, 2017, 12:11 PM

I don't want "free crap", I have never taken "free crap" from the government. Even in the few months after graduation when I was applying for jobs, I never applied for Jobseeker's; my pride would not allow it. You are clearly misinformed and do not understand what it is that I want.

The fact of the matter is this: yes, some of us are doing just fine earning a living, but that does not mean that the people who have lost their jobs or are struggling to get employment due to illness, disability (including mental disorders) and other various hindrances are lazy and just want freebies. A lot of my clients are ashamed to be living on welfare; they want a better life and to be able to work and earn enough to provide for themselves and their families. The reality is that not everyone will be able to do so. What's wrong with being against the way that the government imposes cuts on people who can barely make ends meet? Would you rather see more people on the streets? Any of us could lose our job tomorrow and all of our other means of financial support. If it happened to you, and you needed help from the government for some time, I'm sure that you would prefer if people outside of your position didn't judge you.

By a fairer division of wealth I mean a proper living wage so that you don't have millions of people slaving away for peanuts. And stop bleeding the middle class dry while handing out tax breaks to the rich. And stop claiming that you cannot afford to put more money into the NHS when you clearly have enough money to be involved in very expensive wars that we shouldn't have had anything to do with in the first place.
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Reply #13 - June 10, 2017, 01:53 AM

Quote from: toor on June 09, 2017, 11:03 PM
Since I did ask you it directly, any chance of an answer?

Track record, basically. Voted against declaring terrorist organisations (such as al-qaeda), opposition to our nuclear deterrent, identity politics, etc. Whenever I see her on TV or listen to her on the radio, I think "I do not want her in charge".

I think she's a bad choice in an age of islamic terrorism, Trump presidency, Brexit and Russian aggression. I may be wrong, and I may soon be proven wrong, but that's how I feel at the moment.

`But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
`Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad.'
`How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
`You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
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Reply #14 - June 10, 2017, 11:52 PM

I suspect we'd disagree, not least because a) I think we already have worse in the cabinet on grounds of actual competence, and b) I don't care much for Iain Dale's posturing.

This thread has been split to cut out some not-especially-relevant-to-UK-politics discussion; the relevant posts are now in the Rant Arena.

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Reply #15 - June 11, 2017, 01:13 PM

Quote from: AGirlWithDoubts on June 08, 2017, 01:03 PM
For those of you who are undecided on who to vote for, I found this post on social media:
This isn't an exaggeration either; I work with these people. Not the exact people mentioned in the post but people who are very similar to them and are treated with contempt by the Jobcentre and the DWP, as though living in poverty is their fault. We have a government that can't be trusted with a fair division of wealth and to prioritise expenditure in a way that designed to benefit the ordinary people.

Do you have NGOs/charities that fill in the gap? We have some very good ones where I live, but hardly any in the city I moved here from. We have numbers to call for emergency help and etc. Do you have a set up like that over there? I often connect people with agencies that can help them, as a sort of hobby.

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Reply #16 - June 12, 2017, 12:42 AM

Quote from: toor on June 10, 2017, 11:52 PM
I suspect we'd disagree, not least because a) I think we already have worse in the cabinet on grounds of actual competence, and b) I don't care much for Iain Dale's posturing.

I don't disagree with that comment at all. The tory manifesto may as well have been written by vampires (which I'm pretty sure is why May kept refusing debates, she knew they'd wipe the floor with her) even without the dementia tax, the fools are cozying up to an anti-gay party for some reason, they want a government (tory) controlled internet, May even took a leaf from Trump's book and said the EU interfered in the general election. Though who knows, nothing surprises me at this point.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/05/03/theresa-may-accuses-eu-trying-deliberately-interfere-election/

`But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
`Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad.'
`How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
`You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
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Reply #17 - June 16, 2017, 12:10 AM

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Do you have NGOs/charities that fill in the gap? We have some very good ones where I live, but hardly any in the city I moved here from. We have numbers to call for emergency help and etc. Do you have a set up like that over there? I often connect people with agencies that can help them, as a sort of hobby.

There are charities such as Shelter and Turn2us, I have referred people before. But they are for emergency situations or as a last resort, as there are a lot of people being referred to them. And the number will only increase the more people are in zero-hour contract jobs or are being laid off because they are on temporary contracts that provide them with little security and so forth.
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Reply #18 - June 16, 2017, 12:27 AM

We don't have much housing support but we do have a lot of food support. Our churches fill in a lot of gaps in this area. I have read a CV prepared by your government job support office (not sure of the actual title for this agency) for a client and it was the shittiest CV I had ever seen. I rewrote it. So I am assuming there is little support for employment.

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