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 Topic: Tommy Robinson is a reformed character, honest

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  • Tommy Robinson is a reformed character, honest
     Reply #30 - May 13, 2017, 12:21 PM

      dear NorthernArab dialogue is always important whether someone  is opposing  or supporting your views   or...whether someone likes you or not., These are issue oriented problems that affect society

    But dialogue with someone is different from giving platform or getting a guy  into a leadership position of an organization that you support ..   a perfect example is American Republican Party and their present President ..

    That is a good example ..  and it is very simple to expose and educate that  guy and his likes  on their  selective   blaming  of social ills on the basis of color of  a person..  

    with best wishes

    Dialogue is important, but this guy has had so many chances and its always the same from him.
  • Tommy Robinson is a reformed character, honest
     Reply #31 - May 13, 2017, 01:08 PM

    As others said before me, he never told any of his followers not to chant racist things. He created the EDL as a white supremacist organisation. White supremacists all believe they are a 'dying race' and 'ignored', all things he seems to support, in my view. He makes everything into a colour thing. Asian paedos, not just a paedophile problem in general.

    And yes I know the Asian paedophiles had gangs, and were seen as 'untouchable' because of police not wanting to be seen as racist. But if they just arrested these people immediately, it wouldn't have created so much attention. White paedophiles seem to fly under the radar despite the fact its the same crime.

    I grew up in a white majority small town. He fuels people like that. Me being half white never saved me either because people see one thing. She looks foreign so we're going to pick on her. He made it ok for people to publicly shout nasty racist comments at people like me.

    It's not to say that speaking against things he disagrees with is not part of his character either. He has a very big mouth when it is time to trespass on private property and harass staff members on the premises, shouting in their faces. Yet when one of the co-organisers of one of his marches makes a statement like that, and the crowd cheers and starts to engage in the racist chanting he is silent as the grave. He was confronted about this on BBC Free Speech and his answer was along the lines of "nothing to do with me". How convenient  Roll Eyes

    According to Yaxley-Lennon he was bullied a lot by Muslims, and that somehow gives him a free pass to be the wanker that he is today. It really grinds my gears when people use these kinds of excuses. Boo fucking hoo "Tommy", I have lost count of the number of racist bullies I have been subjected to, both in Saudi and in Catholic school. Is that an excuse to be a bigot? Absolutely not! The moment we start to lend any kind of support to people like him under the false belief that they're OK with us, just not those "others" is the moment that we lose. Because we're next once they're done with the Muslims or the Asians or whichever group they want to focus on now. That guy was a member of the BNP for a whole year and claimed that all the while he had no idea it was a racist party. Who even believes that? It's not like he admitted that he knew, but realised it was wrong and left once he changed his beliefs. He is a lying sleazeball who can't be trusted. Maajid Nawaz's far-right supporters were OK with him, he was the only Brown person that they liked. The moment he criticised Trump and Yaxley-Lennon he was under fire, with people all over his social media accounts calling him an Islamist, a terrorist sympathiser, telling him to go back to where he came from (yeah, totally not about race), you know how it goes.

    So yeah, our enemy's enemy isn't always our friend.

    The paedophiles from the Rotherham grooming gangs were racist without question. There may have been a minority of cases where a fear of being accused of racism did play a role but the failure of social services to act was by and large because they do not care about children from deprived backgrounds. Now they are blaming their own negligence on political correctness, but there is another side to it. Did political correctness force the police to label the girls as "undesirables" and treat them like dirt? Prisons have their fair share of ethnic minorities, how come all of a sudden they were afraid to arrest ethnic minorities under those circumstances?
  • Tommy Robinson is a reformed character, honest
     Reply #32 - May 14, 2017, 02:40 AM

    It's easy for a racist to say "I'm only a fill-in-the-blankist" when that prejudice is more acceptable, especially when that prejudice just so happens to include a vast majority of people who happen to be members of a different race. Hell, its so easy to do that such people can even convince themselves that they're not racist. But to any sane outside observer, if it looks like a fish and talks like a fish...

    Valid point.

    The moment we start to lend any kind of support to people like him under the false belief that they're OK with us, just not those "others" is the moment that we lose.

    So yeah, our enemy's enemy isn't always our friend.

    That goes without question. You'd have to be incredibly naive to think otherwise.

    If I do go ahead I might actually read some of these posts out. Grin A lot of the comments are food for thought and are definitely giving me pause. Part of me still thinks it is worth it though. Despite his past, his cleaning himself up does seem to have given him a certain "more respectable" air. I don't see it but others sure seem to. So mainly I'm asking myself if there is a need to have something out there people can point to to say "This is why he's part of the problem" instead of the only people giving him a platform only asking the kind of questions that serve to build him up, which is clearly what's happening.

    I'll give him this, not many people could re-brand themselves without changing any of their views.

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Tommy Robinson is a reformed character, honest
     Reply #33 - May 14, 2017, 11:25 PM

    I'll give him this, not many people could re-brand themselves without changing any of their views.

    There are a lot of good con artists out there. It's especially easy if you're white. What else is new.

    how fuck works without shit??

    Let's Play Chess!

    harakaat, friend, RIP
  • Tommy Robinson is a reformed character, honest
     Reply #34 - May 18, 2017, 08:18 AM

    Tommy Robbinson isn't perfect of course, I mean, He's a football thug who has been in trouble with the law mutiple times and he will admit that himself but I think Tommy Robinson's heart is in the right place when it comes to the whole Muslim, Islam discussion.

    The thing is with Tommy Robinson, he wasn't just bullied by Muslims, his cousin was drugged up and gang raped by Pakistani gangs while the authorities did nothing. He comes from Luton which has had all sorts of problems with Muslim gangs, I remember channel 4 made a short documentary on the problems in Luton and it's just insane, one Jewish guy was driven out of luton and went to Israel. All the while the authorities did nothing. Countless girls have been basically kidnapped, strung up on drugs and dissapeared under burkhas. I think if you grow up in an environment like that, it's understandable that your perception on on the situation is not going to be very well balanced.

    People bring up his time with the BNP or the English defence league but remember, as he points out himself, back then he was a 20 year old who literally knew nothing about politics, and the BNP don't exactly come out and state 'we don't like blacks or asians'. Even the EDL originally was just a group of guys who got together in Luton to protest against the assholes who scream and shout abuse at the soldiers who paraded through Luton, that was it.

    Also Stacy Dooley who did a documentary about the problems in Luton grew up with Tommy Robinson and said herself that when they were kids Tommy wasn't a racist.

    Problem is, of course, is that he does demonize Muslims with his views, he sees himself as someone exposing the truth about Muslims and Islam but he's wrong, and his views are further going to cause division and conflict.

  • Tommy Robinson is a reformed character, honest
     Reply #35 - May 18, 2017, 12:24 PM

    You're on an ex-Muslim forum, where people have seen the ugliest side of Muslim communities. I haven't even gone into detail about everything that has happened to my family, my friends or myself nor will I, but it's still no bloody excuse to be a bigot! And you will find that the vast majority of the people here are not, despite their experiences. He is still a bigot after being exposed to people from various backgrounds, it's not to say that he was stuck in a tiny town for his entire life and had limited interaction with anyone other those Pakistani gangs. I would have less animosity against him if he was just a bigot, but hadn't caused so much damage towards people like us and those close to us by playing such a huge role in spreading hatred.

    I have lots of respect for Stacey Dooley, but that doesn't change the fact that he is a despicable person now. He has been given opportunities to change for the better, but has made it clear that he has no interest in doing so. And don't give me that nonsense about him not knowing what the BNP was. They party has never made it a secret that it does not consider non-White people to be British, and that it would like to strip us of our citizenship. This is common knowledge, yet somehow a member of the party was unaware of this  Huh? He would have more integrity if he at least admitted to knowing, and acknowledged that he was wrong at the time. But no, he is a liar who abandoned his cronies for a few grand from Quilliam, only to admit that the payout was the real reason he left. So he is a self-serving, hateful bigot with no real principles, sounds like a wonderful person  Roll Eyes

    What has he done to contribute to society other than spread his poisonous far-right ideology?
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