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 Topic: What to make of Turkey's referendum results?

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  • What to make of Turkey's referendum results?
     OP - April 17, 2017, 05:54 AM

    President Recep Tayyip Erdogan has claimed victory in the vote, which looks set to grant him sweeping new powers.
    With 99.97% of ballots counted, the Yes campaign had won 51.41% of the votes cast, while No had taken 48.59%. Turnout was said to be as high as 85%.
    Three of Turkey's biggest cities - Istanbul, Ankara and Izmir - all voted No to the constitutional changes.

    What will be its impact on secularism worldwide?
  • What to make of Turkey's referendum results?
     Reply #1 - April 17, 2017, 06:58 AM

    Twitter thread:

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  • What to make of Turkey's referendum results?
     Reply #2 - April 18, 2017, 11:02 PM

    Protests against referendum fraud:
  • What to make of Turkey's referendum results?
     Reply #3 - April 27, 2017, 07:47 AM

    Turkey detains 1,000 in new anti-Gulen crackdown says news

    ISTANBUL: Turkey on Wednesday detained more than 1,000 people in a huge new crackdown against alleged supporters of a cleric accused of orchestrating the coup bid against President Recep Tayyip Erdogan.

    The dawn raids across the country — seeking more than 3,000 suspects — come just over a week after Erdogan narrowly won a controversial referendum on ramping up his powers...................

    A total of 1,120 suspects have so far been detained, the official Anadolu news agency said. Anadolu said 4,672 suspects were sought — of whom 1,448 are already in jail — meaning that a total of 3,224 arrest warrants were issued.

    About 8,500 police officers were involved in the nationwide operation, Anadolu reported, adding that arrest warrants had been issued for 390 suspects in Istanbul alone............................................

    Analysts have said Erdogan, after his poll win, can choose between new confrontation or reconciliation with the West but in recent days tensions have risen further.

    Turkish warplanes killed more than two dozen Kurdish fighters Tuesday in strikes in Syria and Iraq, angering the United States.

    Ankara said it had carried out the strikes against “terrorist havens”, vowing to continue acting against groups it links to the outlawed Kurdistan Workers’ Party (PKK).

    In northeast Syria, strikes targeted the Kurdish People’s Protection Units (YPG) — who are leading the offensive against the IS stronghold Raqa.....................

    West  has already forgotten what this angry TURKEY Erdo-Goon said


    In December 1997 in Siirt, Erdoğan recited a poem from a work written by Ziya Gökalp, a pan-Turkish activist of the early 20th century.[46] His recitation included verses translated as "The mosques are our barracks, the domes our helmets, the minarets our bayonets and the faithful our soldiers...."[32] which are not in the original version of the poem. Erdoğan said the poem had been approved by the education ministry to be published in textbooks

    this idiot flipflops around   Islam the faith for his political needs

    Do not let silence become your legacy  
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
  • What to make of Turkey's referendum results?
     Reply #4 - May 17, 2017, 10:53 PM

    The Bizarre Behavior of Turkish-German Voters  by Hasnain Kazim

    A clear majority of Turkish voters in Germany cast ballots in favor of Erdogan's presidential system -- many out of spite for the country. The development reveals how far immigrants from Turkey still have to go before they will be integrated at the center of society.

    As painful as it is to write this, one cannot support an autocratic system, capital punishment, the arrest of critical journalists and the jailing of the political opposition and then turn around and complain that you are not accepted in Germany as a German. That's unacceptable. It shows that integration in Germany has failed -- and that it isn't just the Germans who are to blame for that.

    A clear majority of Turkish voters living in Germany cast "yes" ballots for Erdogan's autocratic presidential system. In Turkey, the result was so close that it's possible that votes from Turks living abroad may even have proven decisive. Despite living in democracies and in freedom and safety, these people have essentially voted to eliminate democracy in Turkey.

    Interestingly, many Turkish-Germans are now accusing me of "just trying to please the Germans," with my own criticism of Erdogan. I'm receiving hundreds of such emails right now. What they fail to recognize is that I am a German. They seek to deny my identity as a German in the same way that the right-wing populist, anti-immigrant Alternative for Germany (AfD) party and other right extremists do. In doing so, they also reveal their greatest problem: Namely that they constantly claim to be Turks and Germans, but that they have never truly felt themselves to be German and they haven't sought to claim or ensure their right to a German identity.

    They haven't pushed back against those who have always dismissed them as "guest workers" or "migrants" who "should go back to where they came from." But it is precisely those individuals whom they should answer, self-confidently: We're also German -- we help shape the country, we participate in society, we help mold German -- that is, our -- society, because we like Germany, even if it isn't perfect. There is much to criticize in Germany and we also do that. But we value democracy and the fact that we even have the possibility of criticizing it without landing in jail.

    In the course of my reporting, many have told me that they had chosen to vote in favor of the presidential system because they felt they had been poorly treated in Germany. And that they wanted to vote "yes" because they knew how critically the majority of Germans view Erdogan and his plans. Their arguments are worth listening to. The lack of a culture in Germany that truly welcomes its immigrants contributed to a situation in which people who have spent their entire lives in Germany, who were born here, nevertheless still feel like foreigners. As a country, this should have us considering new ways to integrate people.

    Still, with all due respect, it is by no means required that we show understanding for the bizarre attitudes on the part of many Turkish-Germans and their defiant election behavior. They shot themselves in the foot in their quest for revenge. The thinking behind it is pretty odd indeed.

    But ultimately, these voters have damaged themselves with the vote because they will now have to justify their political attitudes for some time to come. They also put those who voted "no" on the spot because it will also place them in the position of having to defend themselves. But there is little to justify or defend. Despite this, some are trying to muster up understanding for "yes" voters in ways they could never possibly fathom for a party like AfD.

    So how can it be that, as the members of the democratic society that they wish to be part of, they can correctly criticize right-wing extremists but at the same time accommodate an Islamist autocrat and stab people in Turkey in the back given that the "yes" camp only narrowly won and with the help of a lot of money and staffing and the massive oppression of its opponents? The answers to those questions remain a mystery.

    But Turkish-German "yes" voters will ultimately need to answer these questions, ones that we should all have in our minds right now. 

    well that is what he writes with this picture

    Do not let silence become your legacy  
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
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