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 Topic: Lack of morals!!! Contradictions!!!! Why stopped believing in Islam???

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  • Lack of morals!!! Contradictions!!!! Why stopped believing in Islam???
     OP - March 24, 2017, 11:06 AM

        In this post we can post few facts (supported) from either Islamic history or text that made you question the morality of the text or the people living at the golden age where they spouse to be Muslims examples .
      Am hoping for it to be a reference thread to remind ex- Muslims of why they left to begin with when ever an apologist sugar quote facts

    Most of the facts I will be posting were never thought to me at school nor at mosques not even with justification. until I decided to be open minded and but my inherited believe  to the test , that when I were astonished by the lack of morality . the thing that lead me to question later what Islam have I been following exactly .

      They claim that they are the best Umma to be sent to humanity , ok lets test that .

    Note : am still an immature regarding referencing (even at school never been good at it ) but usually what I do when I hear a story (shobha ) I research it in both English and Arabic sites even Islamic cites and read the justification for it to both insure that the story did happen and to see how it can be justified from Islamic point of view , I will leave links to those sites as a reference under each post .

    You are educated when you have the ability to listen to almost anything without losing your temper or self-confidence.
     Robert Frost

    ?Believe those who are seeking the truth. Doubt those who find it.?

    ― Andr? Gide
  • Lack of morals!!! Contradictions!!!! Why stopped believing in Islam???
     Reply #1 - March 24, 2017, 11:10 AM

    Number 1 : (The execution of Malik ibn Nuwayrah by kalid bin al waleed )

        Yesterday I was shocked when I learned the following
     I quote

    “  It is known, by all the Muslim laymen, let alone the scholars of Islam, that Khalid bin Al-Waleed was a primary cause in the victory of the Muslims upon the Romans in the battle of Mu’tah. The name Khalid bin Al-Waleed is also synonymous with the title the “Sword of Allah”. ShiaPen do not even attempt to provide any refutation to the fact that the Prophet (salalahu alaihi wa salam) gave this title to Khalid. Ignoring this aspect of his biography is perhaps the best they can do after all.”

        The links below speak about how kalid ibn a lwaleed killed Malik ibn Nuwayrah (another muslim and follower of the profit ) just for not paying zakat , cooking and eating his head and later on marrying his wife .

    https://faruquez.blogspot.ae/2016/08/khalid-ibn-al-walid-did-he-murdered.html
    http://mahajjah.com/khalid-bin-walid-and-the-alledged-killing-of-malik-bin-nuwayrah/
    https://islamqa.info/en/93204
    http://www.twelvershia.net/2014/02/26/response-to-khalid-bin-walid-portrait-of-a-war-criminal/

    Now that we know it did happen ,let us turn now to the actual issue.

    1-   How kalid simply kill malik just for not paying alzakat while he still claim to be muslim ? millions of muslims nowadays don’t ? is that mean the punishment for not paying zakat is death ?

    2-   Some stories speak about kalid cooking malik head and eating from it that night !!!!

    3-   Did kalid need to marry malik wife after such tragic and questionable execution

    4-   How can this be an example to billions of young muslim men and women considering him the perfect soldir (gods sord )

    5-   Can ISIS be kind of justified now .

    You are educated when you have the ability to listen to almost anything without losing your temper or self-confidence.
     Robert Frost

    ?Believe those who are seeking the truth. Doubt those who find it.?

    ― Andr? Gide
  • Lack of morals!!! Contradictions!!!! Why stopped believing in Islam???
     Reply #2 - March 31, 2017, 01:17 PM

    Number 2 : abdullah bin abi al-sarah apostasy and writing al Quran

    Muhammad had scribes write his revelations down for him. One scribe was `Abdullah Ibn Sa'd Ibn Abi Sarh. As Sarh wrote these revelations down, he frequently made suggestions on improving their wording. Muhammad often agreed and allowed the changes to be made. Eventually, Sarh left Islam, knowing it could not be from God if a mere scribe were allowed to change God's word. Later, after the conquest of Mecca, Muhammad ordered Sarh's death.

    Al-Sira by al-'Iraqi :

    "The scribes of Muhammad were 42 in number. Abdallah Ibn Sarh al-Amiri was one of them, and he was the first Quraishite among those who wrote in Mecca before he turned away from Islam. He started saying, "I used to direct Muhammad wherever I willed. He would dictate to me 'Most High, All-Wise', and I would write down 'All-Wise' only. Then he would say, 'Yes it is all the same'. On a certain occasion he said, 'Write such and such', but I wrote 'Write' only, and he said, 'Write whatever you like.'" So when this scribe exposed Muhammad, he wrote in the Qur'an, "And who does greater evil than he who forges against God a lie, or says, 'To me it has been revealed', when naught has been revealed to him." (6:93) So on the day Muhammad conquered Mecca, he commanded his scribe to be killed. But the scribe fled to Uthman Ibn Affan, because Uthman was his foster brother (his mother suckled Uthman). Uthman, therefore, kept him away from Muhammad. After the people calmed down, Uthman brought the scribe to Muhammad and sought protection for him. Muhammad kept silent for a long time, after which he said yes. When Uthman had left, Muhammad said "I only kept silent so that you (the people) should kill him."

    Al-Baidawi commenting on the Qur'an, Sura al-Anam 6:93:

    "'To me it has been revealed', when naught has been revealed to him" refers to Abdallah Ibn Sad Ibn Abi Sarh, who used to write for God's messenger. The verse (23:12) that says, "We created man of an extraction of clay" was revealed, and when Muhammad reached the part that says, "... thereafter We produced him as another creature (23:14), Abdallah said, "So blessed be God the fairest of creators!" in amazement at the details of man's creation. The prophet said, "Write it down; for thus it has been revealed." Abdallah doubted and said, "If Muhammad is truthful then I receive the revelation as much as he does, and if he is a liar, what I said is a good as what he said."

    kindly check the links bellow as part of the sites i got my info from beside others


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-W0vdUkiSE
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBpbUnZ7IFY
    https://www.reddit.com/r/exmuslim/comments/3c39j4/the_quran_contains_words_by_abdullah_ibn_sad_ibn/?st=j0xub9wz&sh=1aa707aa
    http://abdullahsameer.com/blog/en/abdullah-ibn-abi-sarh/
    https://islamqa.info/en/168773

    You are educated when you have the ability to listen to almost anything without losing your temper or self-confidence.
     Robert Frost

    ?Believe those who are seeking the truth. Doubt those who find it.?

    ― Andr? Gide
  • Lack of morals!!! Contradictions!!!! Why stopped believing in Islam???
     Reply #3 - March 31, 2017, 03:28 PM

    Number three : hadith, "tell him to bite his father's penis"

    من تعزى بعزاء الجاهلية فأعضوه بهن أبيه ولا تكنوا
    Orientalist, James Robson translated it as:

    Ubayy b. Ka‘b told that he heard God’s messenger say, “If anyone proudly asserts his descent in the manner of the pre-Islamic people, tell him to bite his father’s penis, and do not use a euphemism
    .”


    Now the claim is that this hadith discourage racism or tribe attitude yet .

      When I first heard this hadith I was still Muslim , and truly I never liked swearing and usually make my point clear without it .

     Now never mind me I never claimed to be a prophet , shouldn’t a prophet be more moldiest and avoid such absence language as he is a role model to the generation .

      It made me think since a lot of revelations usually is connected to something happened to Mohamed one way or another , what or who is the reason for this hadith , who made Mohammed so inferior he needed to make such angry statement about .

       Now regarding racism I admire the step but it apply in some cases and some cases not Muslims brag about how they related to the prophet all the time and even the prophet brag about his mecca ancestors all the time even his claimed relation to Ibrahim and doud the prophets .


    https:[email protected][email protected]hers-genital-8ac8b650aa37

    http://www.letmeturnthetables.com/2013/08/explained-bite-father-penis-hadith.html


    http://www.academia.edu/4281469/True_meanings_of_the_hadith_tell_him_to_bite_his_fathers_penis_

    You are educated when you have the ability to listen to almost anything without losing your temper or self-confidence.
     Robert Frost

    ?Believe those who are seeking the truth. Doubt those who find it.?

    ― Andr? Gide
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