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  • can absolute freedom be achieved
     OP - May 21, 2016, 12:24 PM

    can you make me free
    free my mind from any limitations
    free my body from all chains
    make me go anywhere, build a home wherever i want
    can you make me live forever and never die
    if i die then i am not free
    can you make me free
  • can absolute freedom be achieved
     Reply #1 - May 21, 2016, 01:13 PM

    can you make me free
    free my mind from any limitations
    free my body from all chains
    make me go anywhere, build a home wherever i want
    can you make me live forever and never die
    if i die then i am not free
    can you make me free

    Hmm.. that is a good one and that is waeil,   waeil joins  the forum and writes in riddle.,  writes about "waeil",  an Arabic word  with meaning of "one who takes refuge"

    welcome to the forum waeil...  So let me read you your riddle again.. I  can answer all of your questions ..all of your doubts but first  let me sing  that OoooLD BILLY JOEL SONG.,

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pe6gzjVTtrU

    and modify that lyric a bit

     

    can you make me free ?
    can you make me little child?
    can you make me smile?
    Can you make  me cry
    can you dry my  tears
    can you make me free?
    Oh alla...alla.. Allah god
    Oh yeah. yeah. yeah allahgod..

    Well we can write plenty of such rhyming little sonnets to sing in desert dear waeil ., and again welcome to the forum .,   So what is cooking?  and  why that soul troubling you??

    with best wishes
    yeezevee

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • can absolute freedom be achieved
     Reply #2 - May 21, 2016, 09:58 PM

    Yes Yeezevee i just joined the forum and it is my first time writing in any forum ever and probably will be my last because very soon i intend to take it to the next level.
    Yeezevee can you make me free, can you help me never die?
    Can you make me never sleep?
    Can you help me get rid of the creator that makes me sleep every night and takes my life away from me as he wills. Help me think that it was just a big bang that my beautiful soul and yours are just a natural coincidence, a result of the random entropy of the big bang.
    Yeezevee help me think that my mother who died years ago help me think that she just vanished and turned into dust and will never ever exist again.
    Don't feel bad because you can't help me think the way you think.
    It is ok if you don't have any answers, i joined the forum looking for someone not answers.
    Looking for a soul from sudan who had the will to question and change her beliefs,
    A soul like mine.

  • can absolute freedom be achieved
     Reply #3 - May 22, 2016, 12:51 AM

    ...... probably will be my last because very soon i intend to take it to the next level........


    Come on now, you are not just going to blow up, are you?

    (Kids these days, they blow up so fast)


  • can absolute freedom be achieved
     Reply #4 - May 22, 2016, 05:15 AM

    Looking for a soul from sudan who had the will to question and change her beliefs, A soul like mine.


    Waeil

    I truly hope your search is brief, and she will soon be in your life.

    Regards, Joseph

  • can absolute freedom be achieved
     Reply #5 - May 22, 2016, 09:42 AM

    What do you mean by take it to the next level, and who is this person you are looking for?  wacko

    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • can absolute freedom be achieved
     Reply #6 - May 22, 2016, 12:41 PM

    Yeezevee ? ......
    Yeezevee can you ?....
    Can you make ?.....
    can you do?......
    Can you? .....
    Yeezevee..........

    waeil asks questions over questions.,  
     
    "can you? can you ? can you and can you?"  
    Yes I can....and.. Yes you can....

    Again., I will answer all of your questions.. one by one...  In fact I will make you answer all of your questions.,  which may also answer my questions dear waeil.

    But waeil,   dear waeil.,  "let us not mix apples, oranges, peppers, salt, sugar, add a bit of Helamor  and  White Abre  grind it to pulp and  and mix it  with that Araqi dates liquid  and confuse the hell out of reader. "

     I am afraid If I answer all of your questions  in one post.. the readers may  shit in their pants and never read my post and your posts..  see what you did in your post..Anyways I will answer all of your questions but this seems to be important
    Quote

    1).   i just joined the forum and it is my first time writing in any forum ever and probably will be my last because very soon i intend to take it to the next level.

    2). i joined the forum looking for someone not answers.
    Looking for a soul from sudan who had the will to question and change her beliefs,

    A soul like mine. 

    The 1st  I didn't get it ., what actually do you mean by that waeil.,   You have to rephrase those words.,

    2nd one is damn easy., So you are looking for a soul from Sudan., You know this forum does have guys and girls from Sudan., but we can not take risks so details become necessary.,  As you know CEMB is an international forum and it does have wonder folks from Sudan ., I know  at least two of them...

    So  you are looking for a soul.,   was that soul in this forum?
    Do you have any idea where  that soul  came from?? 
    did she  live near Blue Nile or white Nile? 
    or is she from where the two Nile rivers  meet? Omdurman? Khartoum?

    Common waeil., you can not speak in riddles and expect clean answers from me....

    with best wishes
    yeezevee

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • can absolute freedom be achieved
     Reply #7 - May 22, 2016, 06:27 PM

    So where did  waeil   go? Fishing?  let me take few words from his post and writes something...Waeil asked me.. but first thing s first..  because   waeil uses the word "Mother"
    .......Yeezevee help me think that my mother who died years ago help me think that she just vanished and turned into dust and will never ever exist again.

    Don't feel bad because you can't help me think the way you think. ..

    dear Waeil.,
     I will not feel bad  
    and I will never feel bad
    because it is life ..
    life goes away
    and every mother goes away
    I too lost my mother
    In fact she asked me to go away
    with eyes crying and lips smiling
    asked me to runaway
    to make my life by myself
    and that was when I was 12 year old boy...
    So no one can replace any one's mom
    She live  in the life she gave
    she lives in her teaching to her kids
    the way to live their life

    So let me give you a poem  that is millions times better the sonnets/songs that  fools consider it as god's word..

    Quote
    Mama

    I was walking down the street when a man stopped me and said,
    Hey yo sistah, you from the motherland?
    Because my skin is a shade too deep not to have come from foreign soil
    Because this garment on my head screams Africa
    Because my body is a beacon calling everybody to come flock to the motherland
    I said, I’m Sudanese, why?
    He says, ‘cause you got a little bit of flavor in you,
    I’m just admiring what your mama gave you

    Let me tell you something about my mama
    She can reduce a man to tattered flesh without so much as blinking
    Her words fester beneath your skin and the whole time,
    You won’t be able to stop cradling her eyes.
    My mama is a woman, flawless and formidable in the same step.
    Woman walks into a warzone and has warriors cowering at her feet
    My mama carries all of us in her body,
    on her face, in her blood and
    Blood is no good once you let it loose
    So she always holds us close.

    When I was 7, she cradled bullets in the billows of her robes.
    That same night, she taught me how to get gunpowder out of cotton with a bar of soap.
    Years later when the soldiers held her at gunpoint and asked her who she was
    She said, I am a daughter of Adam, I am a woman, who the hell are you?
    The last time we went home, we watched our village burn,
    Soldiers pouring blood from civilian skulls
    As if they too could turn water into wine.
    They stole the ground beneath our feet.

    The woman who raised me
    turned and said, don’t be scared
    I’m your mother, I’m here, I won’t let them through.
    My mama gave me conviction.
    Women like her
    Inherit tired eyes,
    Bruised wrists and titanium plated spines.
    The daughters of widows wearing the wings of amputees
    Carry countries between their shoulder blades.

    I’m not saying dating is a first world problem, but these trifling motherfuckers seem to be.
    The kind who’ll quote Rumi, but not know what he sacrificed for war.
    Who’ll fawn over Lupita, but turn their racial filters on.
    Who’ll take their politics with a latte when I take mine with tear gas.
    Every guy I meet wants to be my introduction to the dark side,
    Wants me to open up this obsidian skin and let them read every tearful page,
    Because what survivor hasn’t had her struggle made spectacle?
    Don’t talk about the motherland unless you know that being from Africa
    means waking up an afterthought in this country.
    Don’t talk about my flavor unless you know that
    My flavor is insurrection, it is rebellion, resistance
    My flavor is mutiny
    It is burden, it is grit and it is compromise
    And you don’t know compromise until you’ve rebuilt your home for the third time
    Without bricks, without mortar, without any other option.

    I turned to the man and said,
    My mother and I can’t walk the streets alone back home any more.
    Back home, there are no streets to walk any more.

     
    and watch her recite her other poem..  The Colors We Ascribe"


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaWw6-3GrcU

    So never forget pouring   oil  into lamp of life and let the light shine away  

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • can absolute freedom be achieved
     Reply #8 - May 22, 2016, 11:21 PM

    Emi Mahmoud poem is very moving, but the world is not short of beautiful poems and odes.

    In goodbyes before I left for war, my mother in couple sentences spoke volumes about herself. It wasn’t poetry, but her words were just as deep and moving as any. But of course anyone can see my bias

    There is little in Waeil’s post to opine he identifies with atheism, theism, holy writ or atheist literature: Even less to suggest he’s accusing anyone here of being less than human. As Waeil’s post stand, it is code message for the person he’s seeking. I don’t see any reason for ridicule or to feel offended by Waeil’s posts.

    Regards, Joseph
  • can absolute freedom be achieved
     Reply #9 - May 23, 2016, 07:46 PM

    Joseph much much respect to you my brother, i will give you a hint, i am not here looking for love. it would be inaccurate to say that i want to debate with atheists or theists.
     I am however looking for her , I have no feelings for her.
  • can absolute freedom be achieved
     Reply #10 - May 23, 2016, 08:03 PM

     
    Joseph much much respect to you my brother, i will give you a hint, i am not here looking for love. it would be inaccurate to say that i want to debate with atheists or theists.

     forget that and focus on this waeil
    Quote
    I am however looking for her , I have no feelings for her.

      waeil ...waeil .... what is that thing?   .

     you have no feelings for her.. you don't know who she is.. and you are praying.. god/jesus/allah whatever and searching for her through CEMB forum??

    you are terrible..    listen to me., Common...focus..focus on what you want man... ., Well do you want me advertise for her??   Cheesy

    with best wishes
    yeezevee


    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • can absolute freedom be achieved
     Reply #11 - May 23, 2016, 08:06 PM

    Yeezevee if i was in your shoes i would quietly bow down.
    You know a lot about sudan, but that's not an advantage because you could be Sudanese.
    You shared a beautiful poem but that beauty did not answer any of my questions.
    You seem to be a nice person but in 1940 if you asked a Christian German  about Hitler  he would also say he is nice.
    Yeezevee do you have any answers before you bow down.
    Thank you for the beautiful poem.
     
  • can absolute freedom be achieved
     Reply #12 - May 23, 2016, 08:27 PM

    What do you mean by take it to the next level, and who is this person you are looking for?  wacko


    BerberElla is probably the only person in this forum who can help me find "her". simply because she is the Creator Goddess.
    Take it to the next level means real action even if death was the end result.
  • can absolute freedom be achieved
     Reply #13 - May 24, 2016, 12:26 PM

    Be aware, that quite a few of the members in this forum have a very limited interest in being "found".
    Cousins, uncles and the odd Bangladeshi with a machete could be the the ones looking for them.
  • can absolute freedom be achieved
     Reply #14 - May 24, 2016, 02:03 PM

    True amazing how our minds work.
    Here i am posting a topic about absolute freedom , which is the essence of true life. and through a slip of a tongue i mention someone irrelevant to the topic, and suddenly that someone becomes the topic of interest.
    Almost everybody chose to ignore the original topic and focus on Absolute Fatuousness instead of Absolute Freedom. 

    This reminds me of how Atheists see actions of the creator of the universe everywhere around them, yet choose to ignore his actions or signs and instead dwell in irrelevant discourse.
    I rest my case
  • can absolute freedom be achieved
     Reply #15 - May 24, 2016, 02:36 PM

    Yes...please do.  Your case should never have been taken out of its weak position in the first place.  Let that case rest...perhaps it will eventually become stronger.  Grin

    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • can absolute freedom be achieved
     Reply #16 - May 24, 2016, 02:46 PM

    waeil...waeil...
    you are going too fast..
    wait..wait waeil.....
    True amazing how our minds work.
     .....absolute freedom ..........
    ....essence of true life.....  
    ........Absolute Fatuousness ................
    ....... Absolute Freedom.   .........

    well words and defining those words is indeed a problem waeil but in this case below..

    Quote
    This reminds me of how Atheists see actions of the creator of the universe everywhere around them, yet choose to ignore his actions or signs and instead dwell in irrelevant discourse.
    I rest my case

    yes..yes creator  and creation..

    creator is everywhere? or creation is everywhere? or creations is everywhere? defining that also is a problem waeil.. But I do question your statement  and QUESTION YOUR STATE OF MIND dear waeil.  Off cousre I can not question your heart., because I know what is in it..

    So you say   "Atheists see actions of the creator of the universe everywhere around them yet choose to ignore his actions "

    How can you say that??   and what is this creator?  HE ..HIS.. HIM.. buzz words?? Let us start calling as IT  or SHE , HER ..  

    So tell me how does this creator ..HEeeeee  look like??   let me add this tube I am sure you have seen this but this is for readers..

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zn_i3RxGGTk

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • can absolute freedom be achieved
     Reply #17 - May 24, 2016, 05:19 PM

    True amazing how our minds work.
    Here i am posting a topic about absolute freedom , which is the essence of true life. and through a slip of a tongue i mention someone irrelevant to the topic, and suddenly that someone becomes the topic of interest.
    Almost everybody chose to ignore the original topic and focus on Absolute Fatuousness instead of Absolute Freedom. 

    This reminds me of how Atheists see actions of the creator of the universe everywhere around them, yet choose to ignore his actions or signs and instead dwell in irrelevant discourse.
    I rest my case


    So what did your 'test' prove ?   

    That in a forum meant for apostates, the members responded as best they could to your ambiguous or may be deliberately misleading hints ?     They will most probably respond similarly again,  as many join here for support and for answers from apostates who face,  real life 'tests' -- from withdrawal of famillial ties, to outright bodily harm.    If you scan recent posts, you will see some glaring examples.

    And btw, one of the posters above who naturally didn't see the 'signs' you think we should've, is NOT an athiest and I am sure  if you post on any 'believers' forum, you will get the same response.

    So no big deal, do hang around and keep posting if you want substantive discussion.  Peace  Smiley.
  • can absolute freedom be achieved
     Reply #18 - May 24, 2016, 06:57 PM

    True amazing how our minds work.
    Here i am posting a topic about absolute freedom , which is the essence of true life. and through a slip of a tongue i mention someone irrelevant to the topic, and suddenly that someone becomes the topic of interest.
    Almost everybody chose to ignore the original topic and focus on Absolute Fatuousness instead of Absolute Freedom. 

    This reminds me of how Atheists see actions of the creator of the universe everywhere around them, yet choose to ignore his actions or signs and instead dwell in irrelevant discourse.
    I rest my case


     Cheesy

    wtf?
  • can absolute freedom be achieved
     Reply #19 - May 24, 2016, 08:15 PM

    So what did your 'test' prove ?   

    That in a forum meant for apostates,  

     dear puzzlelover you are wrong and that is indeed  "Absolute Fatuousness "..

    This forum is NOT just for apostates  but apostates have a special place and special security and some special folder in the forum.   In fact this forum is for  and more important to  those who have faith in

    that super duper  the creator.....HEeeeee
    ruler of the universe ....HEeeeee
    alleged source of all moral authority........HEeeeee
    the supreme being....HEeeeee
    the Lord....HEeeeee
    the Almighty....HEeeeee
    the Creator...HEeeeee
    the Maker...HEeeeee
    the Godhead....HEeeeee
    The Spirit....HEeeeee
    the soul controller....HEeeeee
    yadi...yadi...yada.. ........HEeeeee
    ding..ding...ding... ........HEeeeee


    So you are wrong and as mr. waeil described  "you are Fatuous with absolute Fatuousness"

    waeil correct me if I am wrong ....  

    PS:     Ooopps  I forgot "Allah HEeeeeeeee"  in that list ., so you guys add that and more "HEeees" to that list..

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • can absolute freedom be achieved
     Reply #20 - May 24, 2016, 09:31 PM

    Yeez,  I cannot compete with you  Smiley
  • can absolute freedom be achieved
     Reply #21 - May 25, 2016, 02:41 AM

    I’m positive the masculine identification never caused your rejection of deity.  With that in mind, I don’t see where Creator whether identified in masculine or feminine terms have any relevance.

    Quote
    In fact this forum is for and more important to those who have faith in…


    In reality you’re absolutely wrong

    Regards, Joseph
  • can absolute freedom be achieved
     Reply #22 - May 25, 2016, 08:57 AM

    hello Joseph...
    Quote
    In reality you’re absolutely wrong  

    let me get rid of this word "ABSOLUTE"  . that word is like "male deity"  that you see in religious books . There is nothing which is "ABSOLUTE". Even absolute vacuum is full of energy ., I was just copy pasting "Absolute Fatuousness ".. to learn more about that Absolute stuff from waeil.   So you saying I am absolutely wrong is not really correct ..and  I am terribly  busy ,   I don't think i can go to sleep in the next 15hrs and I will not be able to answer your doubts to your ABSOLUTE satisfaction .. and here you are again wrong in saying  
    Quote
    "I don’t see where Creator whether identified in masculine or feminine terms have any relevance. "

    Suppose we remove the word "He" .. the  "he" that  you see in  all religious books  that refer  "it"    as "SUPREME CREATOR"., I can assure you that there will be a huge change in human perception of this "He" god...  

    anyways it is a long discussion.. let me read this today's news a bit.. Transgender Alisha succumbs to wounds at Peshawar hospital



    Quote
     PESHAWAR: Transgender female Alisha who was allegedly shot eight times earlier this week by a disgruntled customer succumbed to her wounds at Peshawar's Lady Reading Hospital (LRH) on Wednesday.

    The 25-year-old's is the fifth reported case of violence against trans people in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa this year.

    Adnan, Sameer, Komal and Ayesha were also targeted earlier this year. All are members of the Trans Action Alliance (TAA) Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, a group comprising civil society and trans people in the province.

    I don't  know why the fuck this HE GOD of religious  books .. the creator creates these  "Tran-gender folks'  ..

    Do you think that fool The heee god is having fun  with these folks Joseph.?

    here is something to learn Operation Solomon: Airlifting 14,000 Jews out of Ethiopia..BBC

    do you know anything about that Jews of  Ethiopia and their origins??  origin of their god ??  Very interesting subject on these folks



    this form  biodiversity.com forum.. gives  a bit of  that...

    So it is good to learn about these polytheistic "He's" and She's  and monotheistic Hee  as god  and their origins with reference to the human evolution , evolution of so-called religions and on the way the Biological evolution of life on Planet earth.

    anyways I   just want let you know.,    Joseph.. You are NOT absolutely wrong about me..but you are WRONG..

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • can absolute freedom be achieved
     Reply #23 - May 25, 2016, 10:43 AM

    ...........
    You seem to be a nice person but in 1940 if you asked a Christian German  about Hitler  he would also say he is nice.
    ...

    So waeil goes to Hitler and Germany of his times..   Well why Christians? Some Christian may have said that.. Even some Jewish folks might have said that when Hitler started his political carrier...  What can I do with that waeil? Don't tell me Hitler was Atheist.... Specially  the type of atheist I am..

    Let me define Atheist inside me..

    1). I am an atheist with reference to all religious books.  All books are man made.. No  book is word of God/Allah/gods/goddess.. whatever you name

    2). I fully understand I don't know about origins of life and origins of universe.

    3). Religious folks must have FULL  INDIVIDUAL FREEDOM to pray whatever they like..

    4). Folks must have full freedom to criticize existing books religious or otherwise without any persecution from anywhere

    5). Golden rule sets rule to live my life...   yet people must have freedom to criticize even that rule..

    Those 5 points + MORE.,   So waeil  stop telling me Hitler  and his followers.. his regime was following Atheism  .

    Let me Quote that Criminal who sent Millions of Jewish folks in to those concentration camps and gas chambers .. The ardent follower of Adolf Hitler  Mr. Adolf Eichmann

    Quote
    "To sum it all up, I must say that I regret nothing.
    I was one of the many horses pulling the wagon
    and couldn't escape left or right because of the will of the driver.
    We shall meet again. I have believed in God. I obeyed the laws of war and was loyal to my flag."


    Even for such  brutal rogues with blue collar  who indeed fool the  society  .. I would not put them in to death Chambers.. but I will put them in a zoo next to a baboon without clothes and some food to live.,  So Adults  visiting  zoo can see and read what he did..

    That is what I am dear waeil... watch Mr. Adolf Eichmann's trial

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QaN7DR8Zj5o

    there are plenty of tubes on Hitler's legacy

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • can absolute freedom be achieved
     Reply #24 - May 25, 2016, 01:58 PM

    let me get rid of this word "ABSOLUTE


    You absolutely spend a lot of words to say nothing.

    Regards, Joseph
  • can absolute freedom be achieved
     Reply #25 - May 25, 2016, 02:08 PM

    You absolutely spend a lot of words to say nothing.


    So true. Yeezy is like really annoying background noise.
  • can absolute freedom be achieved
     Reply #26 - May 25, 2016, 02:58 PM

    Quote
    You absolutely spend a lot of words to say nothing.

    Regards, Joseph

    So true. Yeezy is like really annoying background noise.



    Well you two guys are right in your description of what I write.  Some times I am noisy, some times I am nosy  and some times I do hit below the belt of some folks specially faith heads..

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • can absolute freedom be achieved
     Reply #27 - May 25, 2016, 04:49 PM

    Quote
    ...and some times I do hit below the belt of some folks specially faith heads..


    You have an overdeveloped sense of ability to impact person of faith.

    I know couple of atheists from email discussions with them. They were kindly and respectful. People of faith could learn much from them. One shared his very difficult story to tell with me. I was moved to tears, and nearly 12 years later, my eyes still well-up in recalling. You are nowhere near their fine character and expressions.

    Regards, Joseph



     
  • can absolute freedom be achieved
     Reply #28 - May 26, 2016, 12:33 AM

    You have an overdeveloped sense of ability to impact person of faith.

    I know couple of atheists from email discussions with them. They were kindly and respectful. People of faith could learn much from them. One shared his very difficult story to tell with me. I was moved to tears, and nearly 12 years later, my eyes still well-up in recalling. You are nowhere near their fine character and expressions.

    Regards, Joseph

    dear  Joseph., I never even in my dreams want to influence others by my posts. I am NOT a religious preacher.,  I follow NO religion except the "Golden Rule" and that one rule  is good enough for me as long as I live.   I sincerely apologize if I hurt your feelings in any way.,

    It is wonderful to note that there are grownup folks who are very sensitive and tear up to listening to real life stories of other folks  but my tears have dried away long time ago, No more tears in this life. So I live my life in very practical way and I am fairly certain about where I came from and where I go.  I certainly do not like to write/tell my story to make readers cry., There is enough in the news that i post in to the forum.,

    I am one of those guys that don't look for god/gods...allah..whatever  BUT I LOOK FOR GODLINESS IN EVERY SPECIES OF LIFE.  For e.g.  I consider this buffalo in this tube that saved baby buffalo  from lions and crocodiles is godly

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AuWqJkbu-X4

    and it is far  better than any god of any religious book..  Please watch carefully., there is only one buffalo that acts fearlessly among 100s of them..  

    The other thing I am very certain  about is the bookish god/gods of every religion  is nothing but bullshit . Anyways a Psychology student linked this Korean paper in his assignment .. let me share it with you..
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    Association between religiosity/spirituality and quality of life or depression among living-alone elderly in a South Korean city.
    Moon YS1, Kim do H.

     Asia Pac Psychiatry. 2013 Dec;5(4):293-300.....

    This study investigated the effects of religiosity and spirituality on quality of life and depression among older people.

    METHODS:
    Two hundred and seventy-four solitary elderly people aged over 65 years living in Chuncheon city, South Korea were selected. Symptoms of depression were evaluated using the Short Geriatric Depression Scale-Korean version (SGDS-K) and quality of life was measured using Geriatric Quality of Life-Dementia (GQOL-D). We used the Duke Religion Index (DUREL) to assess religiosity and spirituality.

    RESULTS:
    There was a significant correlation between scales of depression (SGDS-K), quality of life (GQOL-D), and scale of religiosity/spirituality (DUREL) in older people. Depressed people had a lower score GQOL-D than non-depressed people. Among the depressed, those believing in a religion had a higher GQOL-D score than the non-religious. Multiple regression analysis revealed that religiosity and spirituality had significant effects on depression and quality of life among the elderly. Interestingly, religiosity and spirituality were not related to depression and quality of life amongst Buddhists, but were related amongst Protestants and Catholics.

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    DISCUSSION:
    Religiosity and spirituality had significant effects on depression and on quality of life among the Korean elderly. However, there are different relationships between depression and religiosity, quality of life, and religiosity based on different religions. More research is needed to elucidate these findings


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    Very realistic and interesting observation.. I am sure you know spirituality of an individual exploring the unknown is different from religions and organized religions.  Again my apologies if I hurt your feeling by writing something you seem to be very sensitive ..

    with best wishes
    yeezevee

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    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • can absolute freedom be achieved
     Reply #29 - May 26, 2016, 01:48 AM

    Absolute freedom is an ideal and it can't be achieved while living within any society. You will be secluded and away from luxuries and safety, but you can live in the wilderness free of everything.

    "Work without hope draws nectar in a sieve, and hope without an object cannot live." -Coleridge

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