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  • Islam is a cult
     OP - February 27, 2016, 10:35 AM

    Islam is a cult, a mind-control cult.....

    Similarities between a cult and Islam....

    "CULT: a system of religious veneration and devotion directed towards a particular figure or object. A common mistake people make is to think that cults are purely religious groups. A secular definition of cult would refer to all groups that use mind control and the devious recruiting techniques. In a free society people believe what they want, but most people would agree that it is wrong for any one to try to trick and control people using deception.

    The key features of any cult are:

    DECEPTION: Cult members will generally hide their true thoughts and feelings, and instead wear a mask which presents them as a perfect cult member. Cult members not only seek to deceive outsiders, but also to deceive their fellow cult members. Rarely close friendships form in cults. Nothing is allowed that can be more powerful than the cult members’ allegiance to the group and it’s leaders.

    Everyone is encouraged to watch out for “struggling” brothers and sisters and report what they see to the leadership. This leaves members open to fear and intimidation in order to bring them in line to cult beliefs.

     EXCLUSIVITY: It is not just that the belief system matters but also membership to the organization.

     FEAR & INTIMIDATION: Disagreement with leadership is considered equivalent to disagreeing with God. Cults use Guilt, Character Assassination and Breaking Sessions to bring this about.

     LOVE BOMBING & RELATIONSHIP CONTROL:
    • When you first go to a cult they will practice “love bombing”, where they arrange instant friends for you. It will seem wonderful, how could such a loving group be wrong! But you soon learn that if you ever disagree with them, or ever leave the cult then you will lose all your new “friends”.

    • Cults also try to cut you off from your friends and family because they hate others being able to influence you. A mind control cult will seek to manoeuvre your life so as to maximize your contact with cult members and minimize your contact with people outside the group, especially those who oppose your involvement.

    INFORMATION CONTROL: Cult control information and any information from outside the cult is considered evil, especially if it is opposing the cult. Members are told not to read it or believe it. Only information supplied by the cult is true.

    TIME CONTROL: Cults keep their members so busy with meetings and activities that they become too busy and too tired to think about their involvement. Time control also helps the cult keep their members immersed in the manufactured cult environment."

  • Islam is a cult
     Reply #1 - February 27, 2016, 12:01 PM

    What youa re describing is a sect. Cults are different. The two tend to get confused alot. From a sociological stand point that is. I used to teach a unit on the Sociology of Religion.

    I agree with much of what you say. But it's important that we keep things in perspective and realise that for most Muslims they don't act like sect members and other interpret Islam different (they ALL do) and so reconfigure the boundaries between hallal/haram to their own needs. That's why you will get people that wear Western dress, drink alcohol, have relationships and mix with non-Muslims, watch Hindu-centric programmes.

    Islam evolved in to sect-like but it's effect on Muslims diminish greatly depending on the environment and the geo-political situation at the time.

    No free mixing of the sexes is permitted on these forums or via PM or the various chat groups that are operating.

    Women must write modestly and all men must lower their case.

    http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?425649-Have-some-Hayaa-%28modesty-shame%29-people!
  • Islam is a cult
     Reply #2 - February 28, 2016, 01:42 AM

    I think your definition of cult does not fit Islam. There is no central authority to report stragglers to, and there is no love bombing system. Some masjids are supportive of converts but most are NOT. There is also no time control occurring, because prayers are done in private (save once a week) and not scheduled for you by any other person nor observed by anyone else for the most part in the West. Deception as you have defined it also occurs naturally in any human society, for everyone wants to look good, right?
    However, I have seen Islam defined as a cult in books before. Those books claimed any religion not Christianity was a cult, so I suppose it depends on who you are..

    Don't let Hitler have the street.
  • Islam is a cult
     Reply #3 - February 28, 2016, 02:54 AM

    I think the differentiation between a religion and a cult is wafer thin to begin with.  Cults are just religious groups that take their beliefs far too seriously.

    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Islam is a cult
     Reply #4 - February 28, 2016, 06:56 AM

    Saying Islam is a cult is like saying atheism is a religion. You can make that argument, but it's tenuous and you come off as having no idea what the hell you're talking about and just making a hyperbolic statement to make a statement.
  • Islam is a cult
     Reply #5 - February 28, 2016, 11:51 AM

    Using terms like "cult" for a major world religion with over one and a half billion followers - along with the many varied forms of Islam that exists - is a way of stripping fellow human beings of their humanity, making it easier to justify hate & violence.

    Dehumanising the the "other" is the tactic of fascists, bigots, racists, xenophobes and ironically religious fanatics such as Islamists. Which is why I always say such haters are the flip side to Islamists.
  • Islam is a cult
     Reply #6 - February 28, 2016, 01:28 PM

    Using terms like "cult" for a major world religion with over one and a half billion followers - along with the many varied forms of Islam that exists - is a way of stripping fellow human beings of their humanity, making it easier to justify hate & violence.

    Dehumanising the the "other" is the tactic of fascists, bigots, racists, xenophobes and ironically religious fanatics such as Islamists. Which is why I always say such haters are the flip side to Islamists.



    Why ours is a different religion



    Arabnews.com Published — Friday 26 February 2016[/size]

    Quote
    Islam is a religion without any mythology. Its teachings are simple and intelligible. It is free from superstitions and irrational beliefs. The oneness of God, the prophethood of Muhammad (peace be upon him) and the concept of life after death are the basic articles of its faith. They are based on reason and sound logic. All of the teachings of Islam flow from those basic beliefs and are simple and straightforward. There is no hierarchy of priests, no farfetched abstractions, no complicated rites or rituals.

    Everybody may approach the Qur’an directly and translate its dictates into practice. Islam awakens in man the faculty of reason and exhorts him to use his intellect. It enjoins him to see things in the light of reality. The Qur’an advises him to seek knowledge and invoke God to expand his awareness: “Say ‘O, my Lord! Advance me in knowledge’.” (Qur’an, 20: 114)

    God also says: “Are those who know equal with those who know not? But only men of understanding will pay heed.” (Qur’an, 39: 9)It is reported that the Prophet (may the mercy and blessings of God be upon him) said that: “He who leaves his home in search of knowledge (walks) in the path of God.” (At-Tirmidhi) and that, “Seeking knowledge is obligatory upon every Muslim.” (Ibn Majah and Al-Baihaqi)

    This is how Islam brings man out of the world of superstition and darkness and initiates him into the world of knowledge and light.
    Again, Islam is a practical religion and does not allow indulgence in empty and futile theorizing. It says faith is not a mere profession of beliefs, but rather that it is the very mainspring of life. Righteous conduct must follow belief in God.

    Religion is something to be practiced and not an object of mere lip service. The Qur’an says: “Those who believe and act righteously, joy is for them, and a blissful home to return to.” (Qur’an, 13: 29)The Prophet is also reported to have said: “God does not accept belief if it is not expressed in deeds, and does not accept deeds if they do not conform to belief.” (At-Tabarani)

    Unity of matter and spirit

    A unique feature of Islam is that it does not divide life into watertight compartments of matter and spirit. It stands not for denial of life but for the fulfillment of life. Islam does not believe in asceticism. It does not ask man to avoid material things. It holds that spiritual elevation is to be achieved by living piously in the rough and tumble of life, not by renouncing the world. The Qur’an advises us to pray as follows:

    “Our Lord! Give us something fine in this world as well as something fine in the Hereafter.” (Qur’an, 2:201)
    But in making use of life luxuries, Islam advises man to be moderate and keep away from extravagance, God says: “…and eat and drink and be not extravagant; surely He does not love the extravagant.” (Qur’an 7:31)

    On this aspect of moderation, the Prophet (peace be upon him) said: “Observe fasting and break it (at the proper time) and stand in prayer and devotion (in the night) and have sleep, for your body has its right over you, and your eyes have rights over you, and your wife has a claim upon you and the person who pays a visit to you has a claim upon you.”

    Thus, Islam does not admit any separation between “material” and “moral,” “mundane” and “spiritual” life, and enjoins man to devote all of his energies to the reconstruction of life on healthy moral foundations. It teaches him that moral and material powers must be welded together and that spiritual salvation can be achieved by using material resources for the good of man in the service of just ends and not by living a life of asceticism or by running away from the challenges of life.

    The world has suffered at the hands of the one-sidedness of many other religions and ideologies. Some have laid emphasis on the spiritual side of life but have ignored its material and mundane aspects. They have looked upon the world as an illusion, a deception, and a trap. On the other hand, materialistic ideologies have totally ignored the spiritual and moral side of life and have dismissed it as fictitious and imaginary. Both of these attitudes have resulted in disaster, for they have robbed mankind of peace, contentment, and tranquility.

    Even today, the imbalance is manifest in one or the other direction. The French scientist, Dr. De Brogbi rightly says: “The danger inherent in too intense a material civilization is to that civilization itself; it is the disequilibria which would result if a parallel development of the spiritual life were to fail to provide the needed balance.”
    Christianity erred on one extreme, whereas modern western civilization, in both of its variants of secular capitalistic democracy and Marxist socialism has erred on the other. According to Lord Snell: “We have built a nobly-proportioned outer structure, but we have neglected the essential requirement of an inner order; we have carefully designed, decorated and made clean the outside of the cup; but the inside was full of extortion and excess; we used our increased knowledge and power to administer to the comforts of the body, but we left the spirit impoverished.”
    Islam seeks to establish equilibrium between these two aspects of life — the material and the spiritual. It says that everything in the world is for man, but man was created to serve a higher purpose: the establishment of a moral and just order that will fulfill the will of God.

    Its teachings cater for the spiritual as well as the temporal needs of man. Islam enjoins man to purify his soul and to reform his daily life – both individual and collective — and to establish the supremacy of right over might and of virtue over vice. Thus Islam stands for the middle path and the goal of producing a moral man in the service of a just society.

    Islam, a complete way of lifeIslam is not a religion in the common and distorted sense, for it does not confine its scope to one’s private life. It is a complete way of life and is present in every field of human existence. Islam provides guidance for all aspects of life – individual and social, material and moral, economic and political, legal and cultural, and national and international. The Qur’an enjoins man to embrace Islam without any reservation and to follow God’s guidance in all areas of life.

    In fact, it was an unfortunate day when the scope of religion was confined to the private life of man and its social and cultural role was reduced to naught, as has happened in this century. No other factor, perhaps, has been more important in causing the decline of religion in the modern age than its retreat into the realm of private life.

    In the words of a modern philosopher: “Religion asks us to separate things of God from those of Caesar. Such a judicial separation between the two means the degrading of both the secular and the sacred ... That religion is worth little if the conscience of its followers is not disturbed when war clouds are hanging over us all and industrial conflicts are threatening social peace. Religion has weakened man’s social conscience and moral sensitivity by separating the things of God from those of Caesar.”
    Islam totally denounces this concept of religion and clearly states that its objectives are the purification of the soul and the reform and reconstruction of society.

    As we read in the Qur’an: “We verily sent Our messengers with clear proofs, and revealed with them the Scripture and the Balance, that mankind may observe right measure; and He revealed iron, wherein is mighty power and (many) uses for mankind, and that God may know him who helpeth Him and His messengers, though unseen. Lo! God is Strong, Almighty.” (Qur’an, 57: 25)

    God also says: “The decision rests with God only, Who hath commanded you that ye worship none save Him. This is the right religion, but most men know not.” (Qur’an, 12: 40)
    Thus even a cursory study of the teachings of Islam shows that it is an all-embracing way of life and does not leave out any field of human existence to become a playground for the forces of evil.


    well discuss that.,   it was published in  Arab news. com  on Friday 26 February 2016

    Do not let silence become your legacy  
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Islam is a cult
     Reply #7 - February 28, 2016, 08:03 PM

    At best one could claim certain groups which surround various individuals spouting this or that religious ideology are cult like. Choudary for example. However this does not make Islam a cult as a whole.
  • Islam is a cult
     Reply #8 - February 28, 2016, 08:27 PM

    Islam is a movement that seeks to propagate it's message and is not exclusionary in terms of who it accepts. It's teaching are there for all to reject. 

    No free mixing of the sexes is permitted on these forums or via PM or the various chat groups that are operating.

    Women must write modestly and all men must lower their case.

    http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?425649-Have-some-Hayaa-%28modesty-shame%29-people!
  • Islam is a cult
     Reply #9 - February 29, 2016, 12:53 AM

    Saying Islam is a cult is like saying atheism is a religion. You can make that argument, but it's tenuous and you come off as having no idea what the hell you're talking about and just making a hyperbolic statement to make a statement.

     

    Using terms like "cult" for a major world religion with over one and a half billion followers - along with the many varied forms of Islam that exists - is a way of stripping fellow human beings of their humanity, making it easier to justify hate & violence.


     

    Islam as a whole is not a cult but specific movements within Islam can definitely fall within the category of cults

    Well Ahmaddiyyah Islam is definitely a cult according exmuslims from that sect.  The entire sect is an official organization with a registry listing every single person who identifies as ahmadi.

    The names are removed if the family in question has been ex communicated with a stamp of approval from their supreme leader.

    And this supreme leader is literally worshiped as if he was Muhammad himself. People stand in long lines just to get scraps of his food after he eats because anything he touches is considered to have a special magical power.


    The Nation of Islam and certain sufi groups can also be considered cults.

    In my opinion a life without curiosity is not a life worth living
  • Islam is a cult
     Reply #10 - February 29, 2016, 01:28 AM

    What to do when both sides make sound logical arguments?Huh?Huh?Huh?Huh??

    No free mixing of the sexes is permitted on these forums or via PM or the various chat groups that are operating.

    Women must write modestly and all men must lower their case.

    http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?425649-Have-some-Hayaa-%28modesty-shame%29-people!
  • Islam is a cult
     Reply #11 - February 29, 2016, 06:33 AM

    Also Ismailism can also be considered a cult due to the organizational structure of the sect and the central authority figure who dictates your lifestyle.


    In my opinion a life without curiosity is not a life worth living
  • Islam is a cult
     Reply #12 - February 29, 2016, 10:13 AM

    Islam as a whole is not a cult but specific movements within Islam can definitely fall within the category of cults

    Yeah, but a lot of cults are derived from religions, so that's not saying much. There are Christian cults, Jewish cults, and even Buddhist cults.
  • Islam is a cult
     Reply #13 - February 29, 2016, 01:25 PM

    ^

    How many members does a cult needs to get before it can be considered a religion ? 

     Mormonism and Jehovah witnesses seems to be right on the border of whatever that number is. 


    In my opinion a life without curiosity is not a life worth living
  • Islam is a cult
     Reply #14 - February 29, 2016, 01:42 PM




    Do not let silence become your legacy  
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Islam is a cult
     Reply #15 - February 29, 2016, 01:58 PM

    i think something like scientology is cult...agree mormons and jws are on the border. a group with an all-powerful leader...formal org that requires membership...possibly money...hard to leave and dominates its members lives. islam is far too big, diverse & decentralized to be cult. islam is no more a cult than protestanism is.
  • Islam is a cult
     Reply #16 - February 29, 2016, 02:09 PM

    I think the differentiation between a religion and a cult is wafer thin to begin with.  Cults are just religious groups that take their beliefs far too seriously.


    For me, this ^^ is how I view it. 

    There is a fine line between the two, and it all depends on which power structure defines the distinction between the two for you.




    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Islam is a cult
     Reply #17 - February 29, 2016, 02:11 PM

    "In a cult, there is a person at the top who knows it's a scam.

    In a religion, that person is dead."
  • Islam is a cult
     Reply #18 - February 29, 2016, 02:13 PM

     Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Islam is a cult
     Reply #19 - February 29, 2016, 07:14 PM

    Difference between sect and cult (as I've alluded to previously).

    No free mixing of the sexes is permitted on these forums or via PM or the various chat groups that are operating.

    Women must write modestly and all men must lower their case.

    http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?425649-Have-some-Hayaa-%28modesty-shame%29-people!
  • Islam is a cult
     Reply #20 - February 29, 2016, 08:17 PM

    Most of the islam practiced around the world today has inherently tariqat influences, and sufi tariqats are nearly always cults. In fact the word for cult in turkish is Tarikat.

    That doesn't make islam as a hole a cult though.
  • Islam is a cult
     Reply #21 - February 29, 2016, 08:25 PM

    Schizo!!!!!!!!! Welcome back!
  • Islam is a cult
     Reply #22 - February 29, 2016, 08:41 PM

    "In a cult, there is a person at the top who knows it's a scam.

    In a religion, that person is dead."


    That is a good one from Happy_M .. question here is.,   whether that dead person on whose name all these so-called religions originated knew that it is Scam or not??

    ................, and sufi tariqats are nearly always cult......................

    Well cult or no cult at least these sufi guys  and their followers don't cut the heads of apostates and infidels

    Do not let silence become your legacy  
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Islam is a cult
     Reply #23 - March 01, 2016, 03:02 PM

    Definition of cult: a system of religious veneration and devotion directed towards a particular figure or object

    A. The word cult has three definitions. First of all, it can simply be a group that loves something.
    The second definition is that of a religion whose beliefs differ from the majority around them.

    For us The third definition fits the most

    1) Exclusive. They may say, "We're the only ones with the truth; everyone else is wrong; and if you leave our group your salvation is in danger." ( This is exactly what Islam is about)

  • Islam is a cult
     Reply #24 - March 01, 2016, 08:10 PM

    Islam is not a cult. It has cults. Islam is not a sect. It has sects.

    http://www.gotquestions.org/sect-cult.html

    No free mixing of the sexes is permitted on these forums or via PM or the various chat groups that are operating.

    Women must write modestly and all men must lower their case.

    http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?425649-Have-some-Hayaa-%28modesty-shame%29-people!
  • Islam is a cult
     Reply #25 - March 03, 2016, 03:55 AM

    Religions are pretty much just cults that outlived the death of their founder.
  • Islam is a cult
     Reply #26 - March 03, 2016, 10:47 AM

    Islam is not a cult. It has cults. Islam is not a sect. It has sects.

    http://www.gotquestions.org/sect-cult.html

    Jedi .. I was casually looking at that link and on the side it says

    Quote
    HOME PAGE
    STATEMENT OF FAITH
    ABOUT US
    THE GOSPEL
    CRUCIAL ?'S
    ASK A QUESTION

      and has these pictures

     
    So the answer they/you came up..
    Quote
    Islam is not a cult. It has cults. Islam is not a sect. It has sects.

    fits  to every faith.. we can replace the word "Islam" with any other faith that we have that statement is valid..

    In other words every faith or every religion that is based on faith are indeed cults . Hence All religions,  All unproven hypothesis have cultist character built in to them. The only difference  is  "can we question or not., can we openly question or not. "

    well let me listen to this, this is interesting to listen.. The Podcast between Sam Harris and Maryam Namazie  

    I hope Mr. Sam Harris realizes the problems in his words/language and thoughts through that discussion ..

     So All religions are based in faiths and have cult figures/cult characters. As long as people are  free to question these faiths and their philosophies.,   and followers  and faith heads  allow their faiths to question without persecuting those who question  .,    I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH FAITH/CULTS.. or whatever is the word any one uses to faiths..

      So Jedi in short  I question that link and its answer on religions/cults..  

    Do not let silence become your legacy  
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Islam is a cultjavascript:void(0);
     Reply #27 - November 20, 2017, 10:58 PM

    Well good folder..with a heading  " Islam is a cult".,

    Question is,  which faith has NO CULT LEADERS/CULT FOLLOWERS??   but friends have put out very thoughtful statements/definitions  on faiths/cults /religions ..whatever .. let me read those good words again ..

    three said ,
    I think your definition of cult does not fit Islam. ..................


    Cheetah   wrote
    I think the differentiation between a religion and a cult is wafer thin to begin with.  .....................

    .

    Absurdist wrote
    Saying Islam is a cult is like saying atheism is a religion. ...........

     

    Hassan  said,
    Using terms like "cult" for a major world religion with over one and a half billion followers - along with the many varied forms of Islam that exists - is a way of stripping fellow human beings of their humanity, making it easier to justify hate & violence.

    Dehumanising the the "other" is the tactic of fascists, bigots, racists, xenophobes and ironically religious fanatics such as Islamists. Which is why I always say such haters are the flip side to Islamists.

    TheDarkRebel  penned "
     
    Islam as a whole is not a cult but specific movements within Islam can definitely fall within the category of cults........


    finally   CEMB Sahabah  ibn Bilal  said
    "In a cult, there is a person at the top who knows it's a scam.  In a religion, that person is dead."


    An interesting folder with interesting statements .. they all look good.,   and this is a right folder to add that  recent news from BBC  with this picture



    The news says
    Quote
    "Charles Manson dies aged 83 after four decades in prison["/b]  

     Charles Manson, the notorious cult leader who directed his followers to commit a string of brutal murders, and who became a symbol of the dark side of 1960s counterculture, has died aged 83.
    Manson was admitted to Bakersfield hospital, California earlier this month and died of natural causes on Sunday.

    In 1969, his followers, known as the Manson Family, killed nine people. Among the victims of the killing spree was heavily pregnant Hollywood actress Sharon Tate, wife of Roman Polanski.
    One of Manson's young followers, Susan Atkins, stabbed Tate to death and scrawled "PIG" on the home's front door with the actress's blood.

    Four other people at Tate's home were brutally stabbed to death. The next day, a wealthy couple in Los Angeles, Leno and Rosemary LaBianca, were also killed by the clan. The killings became known collectively as the Tate-LaBianca murders.


    well that is the  news..  and it was fun to read and quote intelligent statements   from CEMB Sahabah

    Do not let silence become your legacy  
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
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