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  • Understanding islam
     OP - October 20, 2015, 09:27 AM

    Today I was thinking about dawaa - calling other people to join Islam -.
    I remembered one verse of the Quran which urged Muhammed to call people to Islam with wisdom and good preaching.
    Other verses talked about the freedom of religion and you are free to join and accept Islam or not, be guided or not.
    Whereas Muslims invaded other nations " Jihad " and there is one hadith about Muhammad mentioned that he was ordered to fight people until they surrender and accept Islam.

    Besides, why did Muhammad kill the Jews and not kill Quraish?
    I don't want to defame or insult. On the contrary I want answers to understand.
  • Understanding islam
     Reply #1 - October 20, 2015, 09:15 PM

    Clearly there is no answer. This is the kind of inconsistency that led me to question Islam in the first place, and eventually to apostatize.

    I constantly used to hear these two conflicting statements:
    "There is no obligation in Islam" and
    "There is no doubt that Islam spread at the point of a sword."
  • Understanding islam
     Reply #2 - October 27, 2015, 03:23 AM

    There are many contradictions about Islam itself.
    I think Islam was ended with the prophet's death.
    After him, it was a political and tribal Islam.

    When you come to ask yourself why Muhammad married more than allowed 4 wives, you have no answer just God's will and exception for his prophet.
    Why all this mess? Why God confused the people?
    Many religions and many prophets, what is the wisdom?

  • Understanding islam
     Reply #3 - January 02, 2016, 02:50 AM

    So for some reason Free mind is putting many of his posts in to new folder that too in "INTRODUCTION"  I am not sure why?  Many of his posts are thought provoking .....let me list them ....


    except that 5h link ..none of them should be in Introduction folder... anyways in his most recent post "Religion is the opium of the people"  he writes
    Yesterday I met a colleague who had studied Islamic religion an the Quran.
    He replied : " definitely. I studied Islamic studies and the Quran itself and now I live in relief and comfort. I don't care for the worldly desires. The world has no goodness or comfort, the most important success in the hereafter".


    Actually I was talking to someone who as he said doesn't care about anything in our world.
    He kept repeating everything is mentioned in the Quran, what is happening around me in Egypt and the world was mentioned in the Quran and Islam and this is why I keep sticking to the Quran.
    I stopped the discussion and looked at him closely trying to find how he is living in his own world.
    How he managed to create his own imaginary world and is satisfied with it as he mentioned.

    I walked away from him and remembered "Religion is the opium of the people"

    so  "I walked away from him and remembered "Religion is the opium of the people"...........

     that is what he writes about a friend he met .. on those words of Karl Marx   Religion the Opiate of the Masses?....  let me tell a story to  Free mind and to other readers;;


    Little Frog in the Well

    My good friends, imagine if you were to live at the bottom of a deep, dark well. What kind of world would you see?

    There was a Little Frog who lived at the bottom of a deep, dark well. Now let us go down there and see what kind of world he had.

    It was a very old well filled with shallow water at the bottom. The walls of the well were all covered with wet moss. When the Little Frog was thirsty, he drank a little bit of the well water, and when he was hungry, he ate some insects. When he was tired, he lay on a little rock at the bottom of the well and looked up at the sky above him. Sometimes he saw passing clouds. He was very happy and satisfied.

    The little frog

    Now, the Little Frog had been living at the bottom of this old well since he was born. He had never been to the outside world. Whenever a bird or birds flew by and stopped at the edge of the well, the Little Frog always looked up and bragged, "Hello! why don't you come down here and play with me. It's so pleasant down here. Look, I have cool water to drink and countless insects to eat. Come down! At night I can watch the twinkling stars, and sometimes I can see the beautiful moon, too."

    Sometimes the birds would tell the Little Frog, "Hi, Little Frog! You see, the outside world is much bigger and nicer. It's many times more beautiful than your little well at the bottom. "

    But the Little Frog would not believe them. "Don't lie to me, I don't believe there is any place that could be better than here. "

    Gradually, all the birds began to dislike him They thought he was too stubborn and stopped talking to him. The Little Frog could not understand why nobody would like to come down to his nice place.

    One day, a yellow sparrow stopped by at the edge of the well. The Little Frog was so excited he greeted the sparrow and invited the sparrow eagerly. "Hello, Mr. Yellow Sparrow, how are you? Please come down to my most beautiful house." The yellow sparrow did not say a word and flew away. The next day the yellow sparrow came again and the same thing happened again. It went on for six days. On the seventh day, the yellow sparrow finally said, "Little Frog, may I show you the outside world?" But the Little Frog refused the offer.

    Finally the yellow sparrow became angry. He flew down to the bottom of the well, picked up the Little Frog on his back, and flew out of the well.

    "Oh!" the Little Frog exclaimed. "How is it that the outside world is so big!" He had been in the bottom of his dark well for so long that the bright sunshine made his eyes blink shut, and he could hardly open his eyes to see.

    When he finally opened his eyes, he saw so many things around him. "Hey! Be careful! Don't hit this strange thing. What are all these green high and low things?" The yellow sparrow laughed happily: "Ha! ha! These are mountains and valleys. There are countless mountains in this world. The Himalayas, the Swiss Alps, the Rockies and... "

    The Little Frog could not believe there were so many big mountains in the world. When they flew over the high mountains, the next view made the Little Frog even more surprised.

    "What is this long, silvery, shiny view?"

    "It is a river," the yellow sparrow replied.

    "Then what is that huge, blue thing over there?"

    "That is a sea," the yellow sparrow replied.

    "That river and sea, how much water do they have? How much bigger are they than my well? They must hold a billion times more water than my well." The Little Frog began to realize how tiny his well was. "Let's go down, O.K. ?" The yellow sparrow put the Little Frog down on the ground and flew away.

    The Little Frog jumped into the grass and saw many beautiful flowers of different colors. He had never seen such beautiful flowers and had never smelled such nice scents. He kept on going and went into a forest. In it he looked up and saw many tall trees. He looked down and found many different kinds of fruits that had fallen to the ground. He picked up an apple and tasted it. "Wow, so sweet !" Then he listened to the beautiful singing of the birds. The cute squirrels were jumping, the monkeys were swinging from branch to branch, and the antelopes were scampering speedily.

    In the pond, the lotus flowers were dancing in the air, and the lotus leaves were floating on the water like umbrellas. There were many fish in the water.

    "The outside world is so big, so wonderful, and beautiful!" The Little Frog finally cried out happily and jumped into the pond. He climbed up on a huge lotus leaf and enjoyed his new life there. The yellow sparrow came back and asked, "Little Frog! How's this outside world? Big? Beautiful?"

    "Thank you very much. If you had not brought me out to see this world, I would never had known that there are such beautiful things that exist outside my well ." The Little Frog never tried to go back to his old well again.  

    Well that is a good  story to tell to little frogs. Incidentally.. like religions & their allah/god/gods/goddesses  every culture  around the globe has similar "Frog story"   and my good wishes to Free Mind.  

    Well if you could bring little frogs out of small wells .. help them out., If they are stubborn don't want to come  that is OK.    but we must make sure we  don't want to go and live in small wells. And we also need to make a free pathways to those frogs in little wells to come out freely enjoy life and  and  they must also have to go back   or come out...........whenever they like ......freely without any one stepping on their head..

    Do not let silence become your legacy  
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
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