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  • Miserable cow
     OP - August 12, 2015, 06:53 PM

    Time to vent:

    She's been telling me that she doesn't love me for years, but I think I've refused to listen...

    Anyways, I'm pissed off right now because she has randomly just reminded me that she hates me and that she is counting down the days to when she will end it all. This came as a bigger blow to me than usual because I thought we were having a really good few weeks, where I've showered her with gifts, chocolates and flowers. I've also taken her away a couple of times on breaks, been to the theatre with her (which I hate), taken her for meals, stifled my farts around her, driven across town to satisfy her late night sweet-tooth urges, cleaned the toilet after my major explosions (plus remembered to put the seat down), told her countless times how much she means to me, backed her up when she has been rude to people I get on with ok, and I've even been to some prayers and Arabic classes to learn more about our religion (though I'm pretty sure her lack of love is no longer driven by our religious differences). During all of that, she seemed to be warming to me again. Guess I was wrong :(

    No need to offer advice or even sympathy. I won't listen to the advice anyways, I know what I am like. I'll wake up tomorrow and pretend nothing has happened and that I didn't really feel that shitty the night before. And everything will be cool again in my world, and I'll be bouncing to The Maccabees on my way into work... But, boy, she's got to me tonight. I'll admit that for now.

    Hi
  • Fucking cow
     Reply #1 - August 12, 2015, 06:58 PM

    No need to offer advice or even sympathy.


     Cheesy

    Guess the only thing to do is laugh then!

    Chin up man. You know how you are, so at the end off the day there's really nothing to do about it.  Smiley

    how fuck works without shit??


    Let's Play Chess!

    harakaat, friend, RIP
  • Fucking cow
     Reply #2 - August 12, 2015, 07:02 PM

    Lol your poor kid -_-
    I hope you are at least keeping your arguments away from your kid.

    Children suffer the most because of the shitty teenage like arguments of parents.

    Mini rant over
  • Fucking cow
     Reply #3 - August 12, 2015, 07:03 PM

    Thanks guys Smiley

    And you're both right. I think.

    Hi
  • Fucking cow
     Reply #4 - August 12, 2015, 07:04 PM

    Why don't you direct your love elsewhere in the actual world? Like get out there and be in the scene again? What's stopping you?

    how fuck works without shit??


    Let's Play Chess!

    harakaat, friend, RIP
  • Fucking cow
     Reply #5 - August 12, 2015, 07:05 PM

    I don't really do arguments Inception. I just get shouted at, and I smile in a special way  yes yes

    Hi
  • Fucking cow
     Reply #6 - August 12, 2015, 07:06 PM

    Why don't you direct your love elsewhere in the actual world? Like get out there and be in the scene again? What's stopping you?


    Hope

    Hi
  • Fucking cow
     Reply #7 - August 12, 2015, 07:06 PM

    Thanks guys Smiley

    And you're both right. I think.


    You said "no sympathy".  Kiss
  • Fucking cow
     Reply #8 - August 12, 2015, 07:07 PM

    Hope


     Cheesy

    Ah, well then let's just share another hearty laugh.

    how fuck works without shit??


    Let's Play Chess!

    harakaat, friend, RIP
  • Fucking cow
     Reply #9 - August 12, 2015, 07:07 PM

    I don't really do arguments Inception. I just get shouted at, and I smile in a special way  yes yes

    Lol that's cool.
    I hope you keep smiling then. Some women are crazy like my mother.
  • Fucking cow
     Reply #10 - August 12, 2015, 07:08 PM

    Thanks for listening inception Afro

    Hi
  • Fucking cow
     Reply #11 - August 12, 2015, 07:08 PM

    Cheesy

    Ah, well then let's just share another hearty laugh.


    Lol asb4face

    Hi
  • Fucking cow
     Reply #12 - August 12, 2015, 07:09 PM

    Ahem

    I meant, some people not women XD
  • Fucking cow
     Reply #13 - August 12, 2015, 07:10 PM

    Lol. I got you

    Hi
  • Fucking cow
     Reply #14 - August 12, 2015, 08:44 PM

    My brother's wife didn't love him after the first year or two. She didn't want to live with him, wasn't nice to him, etc. Her own family was embarrassed by her behaviour. My brother had to work away from where she lived, he was under contract. I don't know how he did it, but somehow he stuck it out for years, visited as often as he could, supported her, etc. He refused to divorce her.
    When he got into a dangerous situation and had a real possibility of not making it back to her, something changed in her. They renewed their vows within a few years of that. They are doing great, now, and the kids look happy.
    I am not saying to get into a dangerous situation, I am not saying every couple is the same, but I am saying I have seen it happen.
    Keep the communication going. 

    Don't let Hitler have the street.
  • Fucking cow
     Reply #15 - August 12, 2015, 08:52 PM

    If the moratorium on advice is no longer existent, then I would tell you the exact opposite. Don't be bullied, break it off now if at all possible, and the kind of things that are stopping you, like kids and whatnot are the kind of thing that can't be saved by persisting through emotional abuse. Which is what it seems to me like she's doing to you.

    People do this kind of thing because they know they can manipulate you, and you've let her. End that pattern.

    how fuck works without shit??


    Let's Play Chess!

    harakaat, friend, RIP
  • Fucking cow
     Reply #16 - August 12, 2015, 08:58 PM

    .

  • Fucking cow
     Reply #17 - August 12, 2015, 09:19 PM

    I'm...on the other side of this. Having no spare time and a husband who once upon a time would drop in on the forum will make this short(er than usual), but I will say that when love dies, it's hard to make it live again. The husband will always be family to me. If I had it my way, we'd always be thick as thieves, and I'd help him whenever he needs it, and if someone messed with him they'd be messing with me. But the romantic love is dead, and living together was hard, and I no longer liked talking to him, no longer liked being around him, no longer felt happy around him, no longer felt like a person I liked around him. Became quick to be irritated. Became insensitive to his needs.

    But circumstance and time makes it hard to leave, and there were times when we'd be getting along wonderfully and he'd clearly be trying his best to please me, to fix all the things I asked him to fix earlier when I still loved him deeply, and I'd warm up to him again--briefly, because briefly he reminded me of someone new, or maybe him as I once thought him to be, or of some new relationship, something better than what we have and better than what we are together--but it rekindled my willingness to play along. It didn't rekindle the love. It's easy to know and hard to accept that nothing will. There will still be ups and downs for us, but our love is dead. And if I were stronger and more prone to doing the right thing, I wouldn't let him have hope. But I'm not that good, and reading your posts makes me more acutely sorry for it.

    Anyway, will be thinkin' about you. far away hug
  • Fucking cow
     Reply #18 - August 12, 2015, 09:22 PM

    Fuck, lua. Damn, you nailed it.  Embarrassed

    And sorry.
  • Fucking cow
     Reply #19 - August 12, 2015, 09:26 PM

    Musivore...

    Why would you marry someone who don't love you =|

    Just one thing... did you ask why? What is it that she doesn't like?

    Please don't just laugh it off, it will only get worse =/
  • Fucking cow
     Reply #20 - August 12, 2015, 09:27 PM

    What HM said. I second. Truly sorry, and you would be right.

    Don't let Hitler have the street.
  • Fucking cow
     Reply #21 - August 12, 2015, 09:29 PM

    Fuck, lua. Damn, you nailed it.  Embarrassed


    Ahh, thank you, HM (and three). But alas. Wish it weren't so.
  • Fucking cow
     Reply #22 - August 12, 2015, 09:36 PM

    Yup lua, love's rough.

    I think that's a good enough lesson we can all get from these stories.

    Also, probably don't love, preferably being psychopathic, no way you could go wrong there.  Cheesy

    how fuck works without shit??


    Let's Play Chess!

    harakaat, friend, RIP
  • Fucking cow
     Reply #23 - August 12, 2015, 10:44 PM

    far away hug
  • Fucking cow
     Reply #24 - August 13, 2015, 12:39 AM

    In lieu of any advice or sympathies I will simply offer a cordial:

    "that sucks man"

    "I moreover believe that any religion that has anything in it that shocks the mind of a child, cannot be a true system."
    -Thomas Paine
  • Fucking cow
     Reply #25 - August 13, 2015, 12:46 AM

    Fingers crossed you'll break up for good and both of you will find someone else.

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Fucking cow
     Reply #26 - August 13, 2015, 04:30 AM

    thoughts are with you musivore  far away hug
  • Miserable cow
     Reply #27 - August 13, 2015, 07:22 AM

    Thank you all so much. Hoping to reply properly later.

    In case I don't, your words mean a lot x

    (Lua  Cry  I had no idea you have been going through that)

    Hi
  • Miserable cow
     Reply #28 - August 13, 2015, 11:21 AM

    Musivore, there must be something terribly wrong with me to repeatedly fall for and squander my youth on women who are intellectually so incurious that if they accidentally get locked inside a public library for a few hours, they’d first die of boredom. Women who are morally obese and pauperisingly shallow. I collude with myself (the other self, that permanent guest on sufferance) in those moments of degradation, translucent horror to try even harder to find in them redeeming things; properties and qualities for which anyone really hugs anyone.
  • Miserable cow
     Reply #29 - August 13, 2015, 11:43 AM

    One way of checking this sweeping conceptual misery has from time to time been to re-read a sweeping essay from A Mencken Chrestomathy, called The Feminine Mind.

    ---------------------------

    The Feminine Mind (from In Defence of Women, 1918; revised, 1922)

    A man's women folk, whatever their outward show of respect for his merit and authority, always regard him secretly as an ass, and with something akin to pity. His most gaudy sayings and doings seldom deceive them; they see the actual man within, and know him for a shallow and pathetic fellow. In this fact, perhaps, lies one of the best proofs of feminine intelligence, or, as the common phrase makes it, feminine intuition. The mark of that so-called intuition is simply a sharp and accurate perception of reality, an habitual immunity to emotional enchantment, a relentless capacity for distinguishing clearly between the appearance and the substance. The appearance, in the normal family circle, is a hero, magnifico, a demigod. The substance is a poor mountebank.

    A man's wife labours under no such naive folly. She may envy her husband, true enough, certain of his more soothing prerogatives and sentimentalities. She may envy him his masculine liberty of movement and occupation, his impenetrable complacency, his peasant-like delight in petty vices, his capacity for hiding the harsh face of reality behind the cloak of romanticism, his general innocence and childishness. But she never envies him his puerile ego; she never envies him his shoddy and preposterous soul.

    This shrewd perception of masculine bombast and make-believe, this acute understanding of man as the eternal tragic comedian, is at the bottom of that compassionate irony which paces under the name of the maternal instinct. A woman wishes to mother a man simply because she sees into his helplessness, his need of an amiable environment, his touching self delusion. That ironical note is not only daily apparent in real life; it sets the whole tone of feminine fiction. The woman novelist, if she be skilful enough to arise out of mere imitation into genuine self-expression, never takes her heroes quite seriously. From the day of George Sand to the day of Selma Lagerlof she has always got into her character study a touch of superior aloofness, of ill-concealed derision. I can't recall a single masculine figure created by a woman who is not, at bottom, a booby.

    That it should still be necessary, at this late stage in the senility of the human race to argue that women have a fine and fluent intelligence is surely an eloquent proof of the defective observation, incurable prejudice, and general imbecility of their lords and masters. Women, in truth, are not only intelligent; they have almost a monopoly of certain of the subtler and more utile forms of intelligence. The thing itself, indeed, might be reasonably described as a special feminine character; there is in it, in more than one of its manifestations, a femaleness as palpable as the femaleness of cruelty, masochism or rouge. Men are strong. Men are brave in physical combat. Men have sentiment. Men are romantic, and love what they conceive to be virtue and beauty. Men incline to faith, hope and charity. Men know how to sweat and endure. Men are amiable and fond. But in so far as they show the true fundamentals of intelligence—in so far as they reveal a capacity for discovering the kernel of eternal verity in the husk of delusion and hallucination and a passion for bringing it forth—to that extent, at least, they are feminine, and still nourished by the milk of their mothers. Find me an obviously intelligent man, a man free from sentimentality and illusion, a man hard to deceive, a man of the first class, and I'll show you a man with a wide streak of woman in him. Bonaparte had it; Goethe had it; Schopenhauer had it; Bismarck and Lincoln had it; in Shakespeare, if the Freudians are to be believed, it amounted to downright homosexuality. The essential traits and qualities of the male, the hallmarks of the unpolluted masculine, are at the same time the hall-marks of the numskull. The caveman is all muscles and mush. Without a woman to rule him and think for him, he is a truly lamentable spectacle: a baby with whiskers, a rabbit with the frame of an aurochs, a feeble and preposterous caricature of God.

    Here, of course, I do not mean to say that masculinity contributes nothing to the complex of chemico-physiological reactions which produces what we call talent; all I mean to say is that this complex is impossible without the feminine contribution — that it is a product of the interplay of the two elements. In women of genius we see the opposite picture. They are commonly distinctly mannish, and shave as well as shine. Think of George Sand, Catherine the Great, Elizabeth of England, Rosa Bonheur, Teresa Carreo or Cosima Wagner. Neither sex, without some fertilization by the complementary characters of the other, is capable of the highest reaches of human endeavour. Man, without a saving touch of woman in him, is too doltish, too naive and romantic, too easily deluded and lulled to sleep by his imagination to be anything above a cavalryman, a theologian or a bank director. And woman, without some trace of that divine innocence which is masculine, is too harshly the realist for those vast projections of the fancy which lie at the heart of what we call genius. Here, as elsewhere in the universe, the best effects are obtained by a mingling of elements. The wholly manly man lacks the wit necessary to give objective form to his soaring and secret dreams, and the wholly womanly woman is apt to be too cynical a creature to dream at all.

    What men, in their egoism, constantly mistake for a deficiency of intelligence in woman is merely an incapacity for mastering that mass of small intellectual tricks, that complex of petty knowledges, that collection of cerebral rubber stamps, which constitutes the chief mental equipment of the average male. A man thinks that he is more intelligent than his wife because he can add up a column of figures more accurately, and because he understands the imbecile jargon of the stock market, and because he is able to distinguish between the ideas of rival politicians, and because he is privy to the minutiae of some sordid and degrading business or profession. But these empty talents, of course, are not really signs of a profound intelligence; they are, in fact, merely superficial accomplishments, and their acquirement puts little more strain on the mental powers than a chimpanzee suffers in learning how to catch a penny or scratch a match.

    The whole bag of tricks of the average business man, or even of the average professional man, is inordinately childish. It takes no more actual sagacity to carry on the everyday hawking and haggling of the world, or to ladle out its normal doses of bad medicine and worse law, than it takes to operate a taxicab or fry a pan of fish. No observant person, indeed, can come into close contact with the general run of business and professional men—I confine myself to those who seem to get on in the world, and exclude the admitted failures—without marvelling at their intellectual lethargy, their incurable ingenuousness, their appalling lack of ordinary sense. The late Charles Francis Adams, a grandson of one American President and a great-grandson of another, after a long lifetime in intimate association with some of the chief business "geniuses" of that paradise of traders and usurers, the United States, reported in his old age that he had never heard a single one of them say anything worth hearing. These were vigorous and masculine men, and in a man's world they were successful men, but intellectually they were all blank cartridges.

    There is, indeed, fair ground for arguing that, if men of that kidney were genuinely intelligent, they would never succeed at their gross and driveling concerns—that their very capacity to master and retain such balderdash as constitutes their stock in trade is proof of their inferior mentality. The notion is certainly supported by the familiar incompetency of first rate men for what are called practical concerns. One could not think of Aristotle or Beethoven multiplying 3,472,701 by 99,999 without making a mistake, nor could one think of him remembering the range of this or that railway share for two years, or the number of ten-penny nails in a hundredweight, or the freight on lard from Galveston to Rotterdam. And by the same token one could not imagine him expert at bridge, or at golf, or at any other of the idiotic games at which what are called successful men commonly divert themselves. In his great study of British genius, Havelock Ellis found that an incapacity for such petty expertness was visible in almost all first rate men. They are bad at tying cravats. They are puzzled by book-keeping. They know nothing of party politics. In brief, they are inert and impotent in the very fields of endeavour that see the average men's highest performances, and are easily surpassed by men who, in actual intelligence, are about as far below them as the Simidae.

    This lack of skill at manual and mental tricks of a trivial character—which must inevitably appear to a barber as stupidity, and to a successful haberdasher as downright imbecility—is a character that men of the first class share with women of the first, second and even third classes. One seldom, if ever, hears of them succeeding in the occupations which bring out such expertness most lavishly—for example, tuning pianos, practising law, or writing editorials for newspapers—despite the circumstance that the great majority of such occupations are well within their physical powers, and that few of them offer any very formidable social barriers to female entrance. There is no external reason why women shouldn't prosper at the bar, or as editors of magazine, or as managers of factories, or in the wholesale trade, or as hotel-keepers. The taboos that stand in the way are of very small force; various adventurous women have defied them with impunity; once the door is entered there remains no special handicap within. But, as everyone knows, the number of women actually practising these trades and professions is very small, and few of them have attained to any distinction in competition with men.

    The cause thereof, as I say, is not external, but internal. It lies in the same disconcerting apprehension of the larger realities, the same impatience with the paltry and meretricious, the same disqualification for mechanical routine and empty technic which one finds in the higher varieties of men. Even in the pursuits which, by the custom of Christendom, are especially their own, women seldom show any of that elaborately conventionalized and half automatic proficiency which is the pride and boast of most men. It is a commonplace of observation, indeed, that a housewife who actually knows how to cook, or who can make her own clothes with enough skill to conceal the fact from the most casual glance, or who is competent to instruct her children in the elements of morals, learning and hygiene—it is a platitude that such a woman is very rare indeed, and that when she is encountered she is not usually esteemed for her general intelligence.

    This is particularly true in the United States, where the position of women is higher than in any other civilized or semi-civilized country, and the old assumption of their intellectual inferiority has been most successfully challenged. The American dinner-table, in truth, becomes a monument to the defective technic of the American housewife. The guest who respects his oesophagus, invited to feed upon its discordant and ill-prepared victuals, evades the experience as long and as often as he can, and resigns himself to it as he might resign himself to being shaved by a paralytic. Nowhere else in the world have women more leisure and freedom to improve their minds, and nowhere else do they show a higher level of intelligence, but nowhere else is there worse cooking in the home, or a more inept handling of the whole domestic economy, or a larger dependence upon the aid of external substitutes, by men provided, for the skill that wanting where it theoretically exists. It is surely no mere coincidence that the land of the emancipated and enthroned woman is also the land of canned soup, of canned pork and beans, of whole meals in cans, and of everything else ready-made. And nowhere else is there more striking tendency to throw the whole business of training the minds of children upon professional pedagogues, mostly idiots and the whole business of developing and caring for their bodies upon pediatricians, playground “experts”, sex hygienists and other such professionals, mostly frauds.

    In brief, women rebel—often unconsciously, sometimes even submitting all the while—against the dull, mechanical tricks of the trade that the present organization of society compels them to practise for a living, and that rebellion testifies to their intelligence. If they enjoyed and took pride in those tricks, and showed it by diligence and skill, they would be on all fours with such men as are head waiters, accountants, schoolmasters or carpet-beaters, and proud of it. The inherent tendency of any woman above the most stupid is to evade the whole obligation, and, if she cannot actually evade it, to reduce its demands to the minimum. And when some accident purges her, either temporarily or permanently, of the inclination to marriage and she enters into competition with men in the general business of the world, the sort of career that she commonly carves out offers additional evidence of her mental superiority. In whatever calls for no more than an invariable technic and a feeble chicanery she usually fails; in whatever calls for independent thought and resourcefulness she usually succeeds. Thus she is almost always a failure as a lawyer, for the law requires only an armament of hollow phrases and stereotyped formulae, and a mental habit which puts these phantasms above sense, truth and justice; and she is almost always a failure in business, for business, in the main, is so foul a compound of trivialities and rogueries that her sense of intellectual integrity revolts against it. But she is usually a success as a sick-nurse, for that profession requires ingenuity, quick comprehension, courage in the face of novel and disconcerting situations, and above all, a capacity for penetrating and dominating character; and whenever she comes into competition with men in the arts, particularly on those secondary planes where simple nimbleness of mind is unaided by the masterstrokes of genius, she holds her own invariably. In the demi-monde one will find enough acumen and daring, and enough resilience in the face of special difficulties, to put the equipment of any exclusively male profession to shame. If the work of the average man required half the mental agility and readiness of resource of the work of the average prostitute, the average man would be constantly on the verge of starvation.

    Men, as everyone knows, are disposed to question this superior intelligence of women; their egoism demands the denial, and they are seldom reflective enough to dispose of it by logical and evidential analysis. Moreover, there is a certain specious appearance of soundness in their position; they have forced upon women an artificial character which well conceals their real character, and women have found it profitable to encourage the deception. But though every normal man thus cherishes the soothing unction that he is the intellectual superior of all women, and particularly of his wife, he constantly gives the lie to his pretension by consulting and deferring to what he calls her intuition. That is to say, he knows by experience that her judgment in many matters of capital concern is more subtle and searching than his own, and, being disinclined to accredit this greater sagacity to a more competent intelligence, he takes refuge behind the doctrine that it is due to some impenetrable and intangible talent for guessing correctly, some half mystical super sense, some vague (and, in essence, infra-human) instinct.

    The true nature of this alleged instinct, however, is revealed by an examination of the situations which inspire a man to call it to his aid. These situations do not arise out of the purely technical problems that are his daily concern, but out of the rarer and more fundamental, and hence enormously more difficult problems which beset him only at long and irregular intervals, and so offer a test, not of his mere capacity for being drilled, but of his capacity for genuine ratiocination. No man, I take it, save one consciously inferior and hen-pecked, would consult his wife about hiring a clerk, or about extending credit to some paltry customer, or about some routine piece of tawdry swindling; but not even the most egoistic man would fail to sound the sentiment of his wife about taking a partner into his business, or about standing for public office, or about combating unfair and ruinous competition, or about marrying off their daughter. Such things are of massive importance; they lie at the foundation of well-being; they call for the best thought that the man confronted by them can muster; the perils hidden in a wrong decision overcome even the clamors of vanity. It is in such situations that the superior mental grasp of women is of obvious utility, and has to be admitted. It is here that they rise above the insignificant sentimentalities, superstitions and formulae of men, and apply to the business their singular talent for separating the appearance from the substance, and so exercise what is called their intuition.

    Intuition? With all respect, bosh! Women, in fact, are the supreme realists of the race. Apparently illogical, they are the possessors of a rare and subtle super-logic. Apparently whimsical, they hang to the truth with a tenacity which carries them through every phase of its incessant, jellylike shifting of form. Apparently unobservant and easily deceived, they see with bright and horrible eyes... In men, too, the same merciless perspicacity sometimes shows itself—men recognized to be more aloof and uninflammable than the general—men of special talent for the logical—sardonic men, cynics. Men, too, sometimes have brains. But that is a rare, rare man, I venture, who is as steadily intelligent, as constantly sound in judgment, as little put off by appearances, as the average multipara of forty-eight.
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