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Reply #30 - May 07, 2016, 11:29 PM

I'd sure as hell be interested in seeing where my DNA has come from. Even though my family was from India, the claim is that our ancestry is Arab. So I'd love to put that to the test.

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Reply #31 - May 07, 2016, 11:45 PM

Quote from: Ursus on May 07, 2016, 09:21 PM

But it seems a lot of "well established truths " about who's who, and where they came from have been shattered by genetic analysis.

If life has taught me anything, it's that foolish pride over one' s genetics not only is stupid in general, but often turns out to bite you in the arse

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Reply #32 - May 08, 2016, 09:01 AM

^ Yes it is like Nationalism, it isn't perfect.

Nonetheless take them with a grain of salt. As an undergrad currently studying evolutionary biology ans analyzing DNA. It isn't perfect, we can easily prove conclusively MANY black men in America had a great grand mother raped by a White man: this is because Y chromosome never changes and is passed down male to male and it was identical to the one most Europeans had, they also had X chromosome the same as those from Africa while there were a FEW Y chromosome from Africa and X chromosome from Europe.

These are very conclusive, the rest of the DNA test looks at autosomal DNA (the other 22 chromosomes) and that is where it mixes quite a bit but you can see a trend, however conclusive details are more difficult there.
That is why you get a percentage of how sure they are you are from a certain location because they are not 100% sure but they can say with a reasonable degree of accuracy.
If they dont give you a percentage of how sure they are, then they will only mention the locations they are sure with a reasonable degree of accuracy, the more questionable parts will be grouped as other

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Reply #33 - May 08, 2016, 09:04 AM

DNA tests are still expensive, honestly I would say you guys shouldn't put a ton of importance on it, save your money unless you have enough dispensable income and are just curious and still want a test.

I am just saying this so you guys are informed consumers because companies monopolize off of this but they dont tell you the caveat that it isn't always an exact science because of the way meiosis creates lots of random changes in DNA, so just take it with a grain of salt, but you can do what ever you guys wanna do.

To find where to do it just search public dna test or something, you will probably have to pride a cheek swab and in a few weeks you will get your results

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Reply #34 - May 08, 2016, 02:24 PM

Quote from: afghan hassan on May 08, 2016, 09:01 AM
they also had X chromosome the same as those from Africa while there were a FEW Y chromosome from Africa and X chromosome from Europe.

You're thinking of mitochondrial DNA, which is only passed from mother to child. People who get an extra X chromosome from dad do exist. They are called "girls".

Other than that little typo, good summary, and very interesting :^)
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Reply #35 - May 08, 2016, 02:26 PM

Quote from: afghan hassan on May 08, 2016, 09:04 AM
DNA tests are still expensive, honestly I would say you guys shouldn't put a ton of importance on it, save your money unless you have enough dispensable income and are just curious and still want a test.

23andme have the additional bonus that they can test for Cystic Fibrosis and other genetic defects. Especially useful for us inbred Khazars. (I turned out to have the CF gene myself, which does suck, so I have to be careful about whom I date. But better we know now, right?)
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Reply #36 - May 08, 2016, 03:26 PM

Doesn't 2.5% Neanderthal mean 1-40? Therefore only 6 generations back, therefore a an ancestor about 1800 was 100% Neanderthal?

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Reply #37 - May 08, 2016, 05:40 PM

Quote from: moi on May 08, 2016, 03:26 PM
Doesn't 2.5% Neanderthal mean 1-40? Therefore only 6 generations back, therefore a an ancestor about 1800 was 100% Neanderthal?

It would, if there was one neander-guy, and everybody else were "pure" homo sapiens sapiens.

But if everybody ended up with 2½% neander-genes 10000 years ago, the gene pool would still be a solution with 2½ percent content today.
(provided that there was no elimination of the genes, eg sexual selection against people looking a bit neandery)
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Reply #38 - May 08, 2016, 07:34 PM

Ursus: It seems that Neander genes get selected out as time goes by, as well.

Europeans' ancestral population was 6% Neanderthal, but now appears half that because of this effect, where the more-Neander-looking hybrids died young and/or didn't catch mates.
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Reply #39 - May 08, 2016, 08:54 PM

Embrace your inner muttism!
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Reply #40 - May 09, 2016, 02:37 AM

Quote from: Zimriel on May 08, 2016, 07:34 PM
Ursus: It seems that Neander genes get selected out as time goes by, as well.

Europeans' ancestral population was 6% Neanderthal, but now appears half that because of this effect, where the more-Neander-looking hybrids died young and/or didn't catch mates.

Interesting!

I wonder if it was reduced viability or sexual selection that did it?
(Or probably the usual boring third possibility: "a combination of both")

I'll have to read that paper.
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