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OP - July 12, 2015, 04:15 PM

I've discovered a good article on the topic, so I thought that I would post it here for reference purposes. It's worth noting that the ED is designed to refute DCT and not any modified versions of it. For a response to modified DCT, you need a modified ED. See the following for a modified version of the dilemma:

Quote from: http://infidels.org/library/modern/jeff_lowder/craig-jesseph.html
In Jesseph's last rebuttal, it was obvious that he ran out of time.
He skipped this argument entirely, so I am forced to flow the argument to Craig. Also, Jesseph never responded to Craig's rebuttal to the Euthyphro dilemma, that "the good is the very nature of God and that the commands of God flow necessarily out of his moral nature." Craig thinks he's answering the objection, but actually he's only pushing the problem one step further back. Is God good because his nature fulfills a standard independent of His will, or is the fact that God approves of a certain kind of character itself the standard of goodness? Craig might reply that God is good because He is benevolent, merciful, and just. The question then arises: Are benevolence, mercy, and justice valid grounds for judging a being to be good, and if so, are they not standards by which we human beings are judging good?

Anyways, here is the article on ED: http://www.philosophyofreligion.info/christian-ethics/divine-command-theory/the-euthyphro-dilemma/

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Reply #1 - July 12, 2015, 07:05 PM

http://youtu.be/dWNW-NXEudk

Either there is a good reason why gods nature is what it is instead of another nature, or it is arbitrary.

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Reply #2 - July 12, 2015, 07:06 PM

The posted article also mentions the arbitrariness problem :p

http://www.philosophyofreligion.info/christian-ethics/divine-command-theory/the-arbitrariness-problem/

It looks as if the response to this problem runs face first into modified ED.

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Reply #3 - July 12, 2015, 07:07 PM

Why won't my vid embed?

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Reply #4 - July 12, 2015, 07:08 PM

Good to see you too Q. Hope you're doing well.

Things are great for me. Worked a lot of things out and I'll be going back to college in the fall so I'm excited!

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Reply #5 - July 12, 2015, 07:11 PM

Quote from: justperusing on July 12, 2015, 07:07 PM
Why won't my vid embed?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dWNW-NXEudk&feature=youtu.be

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Reply #6 - July 12, 2015, 07:12 PM

Quote from: justperusing on July 12, 2015, 07:07 PM
Why won't my vid embed?

Maybe if you used the full URL instead of the shortened version?
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Reply #7 - July 12, 2015, 07:13 PM

Is the above embedded for you?

Just use the full URL.

It could be because you're using a mobile device?

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Reply #8 - July 12, 2015, 07:14 PM

Damn lua beat me to it.

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Reply #9 - July 12, 2015, 07:14 PM

Yeah its embedded in your post but not mine. I'm on my phone so that may be why

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Reply #10 - July 12, 2015, 07:15 PM

Quote from: justperusing on July 12, 2015, 07:08 PM
Good to see you too Q. Hope you're doing well.

Things are great for me. Worked a lot of things out and I'll be going back to college in the fall so I'm excited!

Good to hear

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Reply #11 - July 12, 2015, 07:16 PM

I'm on my tablet too. The quick share links don't embed for some reason but full URLs do.

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Reply #12 - July 12, 2015, 08:15 PM

read through the debate. Looks like Craig had a tough opponent. I liked how they summarized the arguments well and cut through the fluff

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Reply #13 - July 12, 2015, 09:37 PM

Craig vs Parsons was good too. WLC has a bad track record against philosophers of religion.

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Reply #14 - August 31, 2016, 06:49 PM

Bump for Mikromegas

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Reply #15 - September 01, 2016, 05:22 AM

Nice read

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Reply #16 - September 01, 2016, 11:28 AM

Thank you Helaine.

Your words are refreshing to see. I was under the impression that only myself and a few others cared about this section of the forum.

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