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OP - April 06, 2015, 07:59 PM

David Cameron, fishing for votes, has told an evangelical radio audience that he believes that the message of Easter involves “hard work and responsibility”. So what does he think really happened at the crucifixion? Who were the criminals nailed up on each side of Jesus? Skivers being sanctioned because they had missed their appointments at the job centre? Mr Cameron’s Christianity, as it is displayed in this interview, attempts to offend no one, and the result is an insult to Christianity and to all non-Christians as well.

It’s an insult to non-believers because the vague and fluffy list of virtues – kindness, compassion, and forgiveness as well as hard work and responsibility – have nothing distinctively Christian about them. He might as well have said that he gets his two legs from God. But it is insulting to Christians for exactly the same reason. The point of the Easter story, and especially of the crucifixion, is that none of these virtues is enough to save us. It is absolutely not a story of virtue rewarded and vice punished, but one of virtue scourged and jeered through the streets, abandoned by its friends and tortured in public to death.

Jesus did not really preach hard work, responsibility, or family values. He told his followers to consider the lilies of the field, to have no thought for the morrow, and to leave their father and mother to follow him. He came not to bring peace, but revolt. The Easter story makes even democracy look like an instrument of evil. It is the crowd who demand that Jesus be crucified and Pilate who goes along with them...

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/apr/02/guardian-view-easter-david-cameron-wonky-cross
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Reply #1 - April 07, 2015, 05:34 AM

Bizarre message of Easter from Cameron - most christians would focus on the resurrection and its associated symbolism of rebirth and renewal - The festival also has quite a lot of pre-christian accretions on a similar theme (like the eggs and even the name :-) and the Spring timing (for those in the Northern hemisphere) is surely no accident.

I think for most 'cultural christians' like me it is most especially associated with a 4 day weekend and hence the exact opposite of hard work :-)
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Reply #2 - April 07, 2015, 07:59 AM

Cameron's visiting the set of Game of Thrones today, so presumably he's looking for the Westeros vote as well as the Christian one.

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Reply #3 - April 07, 2015, 03:33 PM

He may as well just have said:

"Easter is about lowering the top rate of tax to 40p"

I am better than your god......and so are you.

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Reply #4 - April 08, 2015, 02:35 PM

Quote from: Hassan on April 06, 2015, 07:59 PM
David Cameron, fishing for votes, has told an evangelical radio audience that he believes that the message of Easter involves “hard work and responsibility”. So what does he think really happened at the crucifixion? Who were the criminals nailed up on each side of Jesus? Skivers being sanctioned because they had missed their appointments at the job centre? Mr Cameron’s Christianity, as it is displayed in this interview, attempts to offend no one, and the result is an insult to Christianity and to all non-Christians as well.

It’s an insult to non-believers because the vague and fluffy list of virtues – kindness, compassion, and forgiveness as well as hard work and responsibility – have nothing distinctively Christian about them. He might as well have said that he gets his two legs from God. But it is insulting to Christians for exactly the same reason. The point of the Easter story, and especially of the crucifixion, is that none of these virtues is enough to save us. It is absolutely not a story of virtue rewarded and vice punished, but one of virtue scourged and jeered through the streets, abandoned by its friends and tortured in public to death.

Jesus did not really preach hard work, responsibility, or family values. He told his followers to consider the lilies of the field, to have no thought for the morrow, and to leave their father and mother to follow him. He came not to bring peace, but revolt. The Easter story makes even democracy look like an instrument of evil. It is the crowd who demand that Jesus be crucified and Pilate who goes along with them...

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/apr/02/guardian-view-easter-david-cameron-wonky-cross

To me it shows more a story of sacrificing for what you believe in. Not following the crowd, and upholding your values more than hard work per say. But don't say I know more than Dave does (sarcasm).
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Reply #5 - April 08, 2015, 04:57 PM

Quote from: Adey5 on April 07, 2015, 03:33 PM
He may as well just have said:

"Easter is about lowering the top rate of tax to 40p"

Exactly!
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Reply #6 - April 08, 2015, 07:16 PM

Bloody Tories, I hope labour do well this general election, not that I'm a big fan of them. Lesser of the two evils.
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Reply #7 - April 09, 2015, 11:35 AM

Lol at the Jihadian I mean guardian bludgeoning the fuck out of Christianity whilst shouting "racism" and "islamophobia" from the rooftops over any criticism of Islamic Theology.
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Reply #8 - April 20, 2015, 04:36 PM

Quote from: Hassan on April 08, 2015, 04:57 PM
Exactly!

To be fair that was a jibe from me designed for cheap laughs. I am a centreground tory voter myself so there goes my integrity (not that I ever had much to start with).

Is this where I get the backlash? Ooops.

I am better than your god......and so are you.

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Reply #9 - April 20, 2015, 06:11 PM

Well I'm voting Lib Dem so I can't criticise anyone lol.

(I am supporting them only due to their promise to make more funding available for mental health. I'm hoping they won't break another promise - yes I voted for them previously on the basis of the promise not to raise tuition fees.)
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