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  • Legalized Anti-Semitism
     Reply #30 - March 09, 2015, 04:05 PM

    Or anyone who feels like it, of whatever ethnic background, can convert to Judaism and can also go and live in Israel.


    NO. Not anyone.  You must have some Jewish ancestry or to be married with someone with Jewish ancestry.  And yes you have to convert to Judaism before, but that just comes as a bonus Cheesy.
  • Legalized Anti-Semitism
     Reply #31 - March 09, 2015, 04:09 PM

    No - you're simply wrong about this. Anyone can convert to Judaism, regardless of their ethnic background, and can then emigrate to Israel. This may not fit your preconceptions but facts are facts. If you can show the required Jewish ancestry then no you don't need to convert.
  • Legalized Anti-Semitism
     Reply #32 - March 09, 2015, 04:18 PM

    nbhb - you might want to look at these

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=emeyNJ_tGIY
    Schlomo Sand - How I Stopped Being a Jew: http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=27492.0

    Schlomo Sand - The Invention of the Jewish People: http://www.rafapal.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/Shlomo-Sand-The-Invention-of-the-Jewish-People-2009.pdf
  • Legalized Anti-Semitism
     Reply #33 - March 09, 2015, 04:20 PM



    It is OK to claim  Israeli citizenship., but all those who move to  Israel should be shipped to Madina.. Last time  I read  Quran I remember reading that  Madina  was Jewish Land..  So I say suki and galfromusa and all other CEMBERS with Jewish background should go to international court  to  claim Madina  as their ancestral home..


    I will claim a plot of land in Israel and set up a palestinian settlement  : )
  • Legalized Anti-Semitism
     Reply #34 - March 09, 2015, 04:37 PM

    I will claim a plot of land in Israel and set up a Palestinian settlement  : )

    Yes..yes that too suki ..  may be a small portion of that land I would love to make a school for  flowers of Palestine that lost everything in those bloody wars/insurgency ..... The children ....

    The coming elections are extremely important for Israel

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zj7lvCAl5ow

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Legalized Anti-Semitism
     Reply #35 - March 09, 2015, 05:17 PM

    No - you're simply wrong about this. Anyone can convert to Judaism, regardless of their ethnic background, and can then emigrate to Israel. This may not fit your preconceptions but facts are facts. If you can show the required Jewish ancestry then no you don't need to convert.


    I'm quite sure I'm not. This is mandatory for those who have some Jewish ancestry, but are not Jews. Otherwise, half of Africa will convert to Judaism, just to emigrate to Israel. Palestinians will do this also.
  • Legalized Anti-Semitism
     Reply #36 - March 09, 2015, 05:27 PM

    In fact you are using made up terms like Christian Israelite and Atheist Israelite, etc... Just by using google, you won't find something like the terms you made up here..

    Also, you can apply to The Law of return of Israel just by having Jewish ancestry without being adherent to Judaism. Israel is repatriating and have done so in the past, people just because they are perceived to be from the 10 lost tribes.

    You made up your mind to prove that Jews are not an ethnic group, just because you think that Europeans are using double standards when it comes to Jews and Muslims. I can't help you with that.



    Nope. See you set the term up by using a nation/cultural identify first then a religious view. You did not check what you typed. It is no more than American Christian, American Muslim, etc. It was your mistake not mine. Israeli (nationality) Jew (religion). In fact when you Google the two words together there are over 48 million hits with these two words.. You did not fact check your claims so it is time to make you look like a fool.

    http://www.israeltoday.co.il/NewsItem/tabid/178/nid/24936/Default.aspx
    http://www.jpost.com/Christian-News/Election-give-spotlight-to-increasingly-vocal-Israeli-Christian-community-392010

    Interesting that the term is used in laws of the nation in question.

    Since we allow people to identify themselves as they wish you must also allow others to do so as well. However you do not thus are a hypocrite. If you can identify as a Jewish Christian the same classification standards, and your own, allow one to be a Muslim Christian. Muslim being an ethnic group by the same classification Jew is an ethnic group, via religion.

    Israeli Return Laws are bigoted. It grants one by right of family, bloodlines or religion a quick way to immigrate. This was done to ensure a Jewish majority lest a non-Jewish majority forms. Such a group as a majority of the electorate could change Israeli into a true secular nation, hinder it's right-wing government or even prevent the election of such people. Special privileges for one follow by double-standards for everyone else are the hallmark of Zionists.

    No sorry again I use academic standards which I told you to look up. By all definition ethnic Jews are defined by their religion, nothing more. I just am pointing out your hypocrisy by not allowing others to use the same standards. Also the fact that Judaism has ethnic divides itself. An group can not be an ethnic group if it has ethnic divides. Ethnic divides do not unify a group, it breaks apart a group. Such divides are in the Bible itself with one group, post-Babylonian Priesthood blast all other groups as not true Jews. Jews are not longer an ethnic group according the the Bible and in modern times. Europeans are using a double-standard due to guilt trips over how these nations acted for centuries. The response for this conduct was the theft of others lands, denial of their right to self-determination and violation of the UN charter article 1.2

    http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Judaism/jewnation.html
  • Legalized Anti-Semitism
     Reply #37 - March 09, 2015, 05:29 PM

    I'm quite sure I'm not. This is mandatory for those who have some Jewish ancestry, but are not Jews. Otherwise, half of Africa will convert to Judaism, just to emigrate to Israel. Palestinians will do this also.


    Nope you are wrong as you do not research anything you post. 4B says it in plain English

    http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Immigration/Text_of_Law_of_Return.html
  • Legalized Anti-Semitism
     Reply #38 - March 09, 2015, 05:38 PM

     those 2-3 above posts Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy  interesting discussion ........... let me put these to confuse the issue..

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDu1U0EPImE

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCkeIBlWrpQ

    and..and..Deuteronomy 28 prove blacks are Israelites

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ObvB7a0a7A



    What all needed is ...LOTS OF MONEY.. Or fame in media and and these two rituals..

    1). Cut your dicks I mean Circumcision   ...lol.

    2). put your head down in to that  mikveh with rabbi guy praying over your head

    that is for male species ..  But it is (was) different whether the white Jews of present Israel  that came in to Israel in 60s/70s/80s...   from former USSR and Europe accept black Jews or not ., That is a different issue..

      

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Legalized Anti-Semitism
     Reply #39 - March 09, 2015, 10:37 PM

    Nope. See you set the term up by using a nation/cultural identify first then a religious view. You did not check what you typed. It is no more than American Christian, American Muslim, etc. It was your mistake not mine. Israeli (nationality) Jew (religion). In fact when you Google the two words together there are over 48 million hits with these two words.. You did not fact check your claims so it is time to make you look like a fool.

    http://www.israeltoday.co.il/NewsItem/tabid/178/nid/24936/Default.aspx
    http://www.jpost.com/Christian-News/Election-give-spotlight-to-increasingly-vocal-Israeli-Christian-community-392010

    Interesting that the term is used in laws of the nation in question.

    Since we allow people to identify themselves as they wish you must also allow others to do so as well. However you do not thus are a hypocrite. If you can identify as a Jewish Christian the same classification standards, and your own, allow one to be a Muslim Christian. Muslim being an ethnic group by the same classification Jew is an ethnic group, via religion.

    Israeli Return Laws are bigoted. It grants one by right of family, bloodlines or religion a quick way to immigrate. This was done to ensure a Jewish majority lest a non-Jewish majority forms. Such a group as a majority of the electorate could change Israeli into a true secular nation, hinder it's right-wing government or even prevent the election of such people. Special privileges for one follow by double-standards for everyone else are the hallmark of Zionists.

    No sorry again I use academic standards which I told you to look up. By all definition ethnic Jews are defined by their religion, nothing more. I just am pointing out your hypocrisy by not allowing others to use the same standards. Also the fact that Judaism has ethnic divides itself. An group can not be an ethnic group if it has ethnic divides. Ethnic divides do not unify a group, it breaks apart a group. Such divides are in the Bible itself with one group, post-Babylonian Priesthood blast all other groups as not true Jews. Jews are not longer an ethnic group according the the Bible and in modern times. Europeans are using a double-standard due to guilt trips over how these nations acted for centuries. The response for this conduct was the theft of others lands, denial of their right to self-determination and violation of the UN charter article 1.2

    http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Judaism/jewnation.html


    It would have been so simple to admit that you are wrong. Instead of doing this you have substituted ethnicity with nationality just to fit your agenda Cheesy. You know very well that these are 2 different things. Israeli Arabs and Israeli Jews. Ethnic Romanians from Romania, ethnic Hungarians from Romania.
    And you are doing this just because you made up your mind that Europeans are using double standards when it comes to Jews and Muslims.

    It is very clearly that Holocaust denial laws are made to be anti racism laws. There is no reference to Jewish people or Jews in my country Holocaust denial law. And it will be stupid to be like this, because gipsies have been also killed. I don't know how the laws are made in other European countries, but even you will find references to Jewish peoples, it is a reference to Jews as an ethnic/race group not as a religious group. Because this laws are made to be anti racism. These are not blasphemy laws.

    However, I admit that probably the main purpose of this laws is to combat antisemitism, due to how the Jews were persecuted in Europe.
  • Legalized Anti-Semitism
     Reply #40 - March 09, 2015, 10:41 PM

    Is it really illegal to deny the holocaust in some European countries? That seems a silly law. Everyone should have the right to their own views however bigoted or historically ridiculous

    "I moreover believe that any religion that has anything in it that shocks the mind of a child, cannot be a true system."
    -Thomas Paine
  • Legalized Anti-Semitism
     Reply #41 - March 09, 2015, 10:44 PM

    Yes, in some countries denying the holocaust is illegal. In some places the nazi salute is also illegal.

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Legalized Anti-Semitism
     Reply #42 - March 10, 2015, 12:56 AM

    It would have been so simple to admit that you are wrong. Instead of doing this you have substituted ethnicity with nationality just to fit your agenda Cheesy. You know very well that these are 2 different things. Israeli Arabs and Israeli Jews. Ethnic Romanians from Romania, ethnic Hungarians from Romania.
    And you are doing this just because you made up your mind that Europeans are using double standards when it comes to Jews and Muslims.

    It is very clearly that Holocaust denial laws are made to be anti racism laws. There is no reference to Jewish people or Jews in my country Holocaust denial law. And it will be stupid to be like this, because gipsies have been also killed. I don't know how the laws are made in other European countries, but even you will find references to Jewish peoples, it is a reference to Jews as an ethnic/race group not as a religious group. Because this laws are made to be anti racism. These are not blasphemy laws.

    However, I admit that probably the main purpose of this laws is to combat antisemitism, due to how the Jews were persecuted in Europe.


    There is nothing to admit to since I am not wrong. I have provided sources and definitions while you have provided nothing what so ever. I have provided sources from Jews themselves. You are the one that provides the parameter of nation and religion. You made a mistake not I. Ethnic Romanians and Hungarian have a national link, a cultural link, a linguistic link, a regional link and a religion link (Catholic). While Jew has only one, religion. So you have a false comparison since you do not know what you are talking about. Once a Jew convert to another religion, or lack of, they not an ethnic group no more than if a Muslim leaves Islam is in ethnic Muslim. I am showing the hypocrisy of Europeans and those that embrace it due to their own ignorance like yourself.
     
    Europeans have been using double-standards for years. This is evident for decades. It starts with Europeans deciding to carve out nations without concern for the people of the land carved up. They gave rights to a people which had not been in this land as individuals for centuries whom have lived in Europe for centuries. This is a violation of the UN charter which these nations signed, in fact some of these nations helped draft the charter. However it is not unusual to see nations violating the charter they agreed upon. After all the UN is a useless organization which only has the function of a chess board for powerful nations. It is a game of pigeon chess when it suits the agenda of a nation.

    The point on the Holocaust has already been addressed. It not longer has relevance to this topic. Race is a construct which has no biological basis. It has no merit in biology and no merit in anthropology hence it has been dropped as a term in both fields. Only the common masses use the term race but this is due to a lack of education or a false education usually passed down by social ties not educational. Such laws should be amended to focus on minorities of ethnic, language, cultural and religion. Jews fall under the religion category only. People need to stop using the term race as it just continues the social construct rather than burying it like it has been in academy.

    It does not matter what a law says. Laws do not dictate what a ethnic group is. Anthropology does and by it's standard Jews are a religious grouping only.

    http://harvardmagazine.com/2008/05/race-in-a-genetic-world-html
    http://anthropology.net/2008/10/01/race-as-a-social-construct/
  • Legalized Anti-Semitism
     Reply #43 - March 10, 2015, 11:29 AM

    No - you're simply wrong about this. Anyone can convert to Judaism, regardless of their ethnic background, and can then emigrate to Israel. This may not fit your preconceptions but facts are facts. If you can show the required Jewish ancestry then no you don't need to convert.


    Yes, you're right about this. I read long a go and I was left to the impression that those of Jewish ancestry need to convert which is not the case.

    Based on the fact that you can convert to Judaism, regardless of your ethnic background, many poor people can do this to get a better life in Israel. I don't deny that the law it is as it is, is just that I don't understand why there are not so many applicants. Looks too easy to me to be truth, although it's clear it is like this.
  • Legalized Anti-Semitism
     Reply #44 - March 10, 2015, 12:10 PM

    ........... I don't deny that the law it is as it is, is just that I don't understand why there are not so many applicants. Looks too easy to me to be truth, although it's clear it is like this.

    " I don't understand why there are not so many applicants."  .. That is very important question to answer... let us think for some possible answers for that question nbhb.

    Hmm... this baboon 



    is saying something here     let me read that carefully ..

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Legalized Anti-Semitism
     Reply #45 - March 10, 2015, 03:30 PM

    Yes, you're right about this. I read long a go and I was left to the impression that those of Jewish ancestry need to convert which is not the case.

    Based on the fact that you can convert to Judaism, regardless of your ethnic background, many poor people can do this to get a better life in Israel. I don't deny that the law it is as it is, is just that I don't understand why there are not so many applicants. Looks too easy to me to be truth, although it's clear it is like this.

    It isn't necessarily that easy to convert and get the conversion recognised. I'm not that sure of the details but see this link for example:

    http://www.irac.org/userfiles/Guide%20to%20Conversion%20-%20Seeking%20Aliyah.pdf

    Also:

    http://forward.com/articles/155249/israel-slower-to-welcome-converts/?p=all
  • Legalized Anti-Semitism
     Reply #46 - March 10, 2015, 04:47 PM

    " I don't understand why there are not so many applicants."  .. That is very important question to answer... let us think for some possible answers for that question nbhb.

    Hmm... this baboon 

    (Clicky for piccy!)

    is saying something here     let me read that carefully ..

    " I don't understand why there are not so many applicants."  .. That is very important question to answer... let us think for some possible answers for that question nbhb.

    Hmm... this baboon 

    (Clicky for piccy!)

    is saying something here     let me read that carefully ..

    There ar as many or even more these kind of baboons in those countries. Many people will ignore this if they can get a much better life.
  • Legalized Anti-Semitism
     Reply #47 - March 10, 2015, 06:26 PM

    Conversion to judaism takes years. It's not as simple as getting splashed with magic water in a church or saying I declare there is no god but allah and Mo is his messenger in Arabic.

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Legalized Anti-Semitism
     Reply #48 - March 10, 2015, 07:14 PM

    There is nothing to admit to since I am not wrong. I have provided sources and definitions while you have provided nothing what so ever. I have provided sources from Jews themselves. You are the one that provides the parameter of nation and religion. You made a mistake not I. Ethnic Romanians and Hungarian have a national link, a cultural link, a linguistic link, a regional link and a religion link (Catholic). While Jew has only one, religion. So you have a false comparison since you do not know what you are talking about. Once a Jew convert to another religion, or lack of, they not an ethnic group no more than if a Muslim leaves Islam is in ethnic Muslim. I am showing the hypocrisy of Europeans and those that embrace it due to their own ignorance like yourself.
     
    Europeans have been using double-standards for years. This is evident for decades. It starts with Europeans deciding to carve out nations without concern for the people of the land carved up. They gave rights to a people which had not been in this land as individuals for centuries whom have lived in Europe for centuries. This is a violation of the UN charter which these nations signed, in fact some of these nations helped draft the charter. However it is not unusual to see nations violating the charter they agreed upon. After all the UN is a useless organization which only has the function of a chess board for powerful nations. It is a game of pigeon chess when it suits the agenda of a nation.

    The point on the Holocaust has already been addressed. It not longer has relevance to this topic. Race is a construct which has no biological basis. It has no merit in biology and no merit in anthropology hence it has been dropped as a term in both fields. Only the common masses use the term race but this is due to a lack of education or a false education usually passed down by social ties not educational. Such laws should be amended to focus on minorities of ethnic, language, cultural and religion. Jews fall under the religion category only. People need to stop using the term race as it just continues the social construct rather than burying it like it has been in academy.

    It does not matter what a law says. Laws do not dictate what a ethnic group is. Anthropology does and by it's standard Jews are a religious grouping only.

    http://harvardmagazine.com/2008/05/race-in-a-genetic-world-html
    http://anthropology.net/2008/10/01/race-as-a-social-construct/


    First, just as an info Romanians are overwhelmingly Orthodox Christians. Doesn't matter anyway.

    We have already discussed that Jews also have an origin link, Israelite tribes from Judea, they have also their own history, etc. Also, you have provided as sources, opinions of some authors from a non profit organizations, not facts. You have also provided made up ethnicity terms as Israelite, converted later in Israeli, both wrong. You are telling us now how should Holocaust denials laws be amended. All of these to fit your agenda about Europeans hypocrisy when it comes to Jews and Muslims.

    If you are now searching for other double standards actions used by Europeans that's fine. But don't point to Holocaust denial laws. And if you are pointing out to recognition of Israel, you maybe know that most of western countries did that at the end of the war. Arab lost the war and the other wars, their fault. Back there, Europeans recognized many nations that resulted after wars.

    Anyways, it seems to me that you have a deep problem with the existence of state of Israel. I don't know how I can help with this really.
      
  • Legalized Anti-Semitism
     Reply #49 - March 10, 2015, 07:26 PM

    Quote
    Anyways, it seems to me that you have a deep problem with the existence of state of Israel.


    It doesn't seem to me that he's saying that at all.
  • Legalized Anti-Semitism
     Reply #50 - March 10, 2015, 07:37 PM

    I hope so.
  • Legalized Anti-Semitism
     Reply #51 - March 10, 2015, 07:40 PM

    What?
  • Legalized Anti-Semitism
     Reply #52 - March 10, 2015, 07:46 PM

    That he has no problem with that. Is not healthy.
  • Legalized Anti-Semitism
     Reply #53 - March 10, 2015, 07:56 PM

    Yeah, I don't think you need to worry about that, and I still can't see why you did.
  • Legalized Anti-Semitism
     Reply #54 - March 11, 2015, 12:37 AM

    Quote
    " I don't understand why there are not so many applicants."  .. That is very important question to answer... let us think for some possible answers for that question nbhb.

    Hmm... this baboon 

    (Clicky for piccy!)

    is saying something here     let me read that carefully ..

    And
    There are as many or "even more these kind of baboons in those countries". ..............


    "even more these kind of baboons in those countries". ... good point ..good point  nbhb....

    You see., you may have not read my posts but I am one of those guys who use words like ("baboon/s.. baboonism.. baboonology)quite often  on internet to rogues that use religions/religious scriptures to hurt other folks whose faith may be different.  And I use that word to BRUTAL ROGUES OF ISLAM quite often..  for.e.g..

    http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=21031.0
    http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=25819.0
    http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=25768.0
    http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=26324.0
    http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=21033.0
    http://forum09.faithfreedom.org/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=5643
    http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=21033.0
    http://forum09.faithfreedom.org/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=11795
    http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=14502.0
    http://forum09.faithfreedom.org/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=5644&p=93169


    What all i want to say to you  is.,   you can literally get 100s of link where "yeezevee" used that word to describe brutal religious rogues of 20th and 21st century..   Now a days I am also seeing //reading from  other religious fools whose brains are as developed as that of a baboon  acting like a brutal baboons ..

    Anyways please continue and give me the solution to that problem.............   The  Israel-Palestine problem  never ending problem..

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Legalized Anti-Semitism
     Reply #55 - March 11, 2015, 10:24 AM

    But don't you know that my solution of the never ending problem was found to be unfeasible, obsolete, bad...
    It doesn't matter, Bibi is implementing his solution, though it's a long term one.
  • Legalized Anti-Semitism
     Reply #56 - March 11, 2015, 10:32 AM

    But don't you know that my solution of the never ending problem was found to be unfeasible, obsolete, bad...

    I have not read your solution.. What is the solution nbhb?  air it again..

    Quote
    It doesn't matter, Bibi is implementing his solution, though it's a long term one.

     I am not sure what solution he is implementing but to me it appears that it is not a solution...

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Legalized Anti-Semitism
     Reply #57 - March 11, 2015, 05:13 PM

    First, just as an info Romanians are overwhelmingly Orthodox Christians. Doesn't matter anyway.

    We have already discussed that Jews also have an origin link, Israelite tribes from Judea, they have also their own history, etc. Also, you have provided as sources, opinions of some authors from a non profit organizations, not facts. You have also provided made up ethnicity terms as Israelite, converted later in Israeli, both wrong. You are telling us now how should Holocaust denials laws be amended. All of these to fit your agenda about Europeans hypocrisy when it comes to Jews and Muslims.

    If you are now searching for other double standards actions used by Europeans that's fine. But don't point to Holocaust denial laws. And if you are pointing out to recognition of Israel, you maybe know that most of western countries did that at the end of the war. Arab lost the war and the other wars, their fault. Back there, Europeans recognized many nations that resulted after wars.

    Anyways, it seems to me that you have a deep problem with the existence of state of Israel. I don't know how I can help with this really.


    Here is another source which is taught in Jewish schools. All factors of being a Jew is defined by the religious view.
    http://www.icsresources.org/content/curricula/ReligiousOrEthnic.pdf

    1. Admits upfront that Jews do not fit the criteria.
    2. Defined by religion
    3. Peoplehood allows Palestinians to define themselves as a people. Converts have no historical experiences not dictated by religion. Historical experiences are not shared by the whole group so can not define a whole group. Food styles is defined by religion in what one can or can not eat. Jewish cuisine is post Dispora so provides no links to the distant past. Food restricts are defined by religion. Pre-Dispora provides no links which are not regional or religious. Hebrew was a dead language so language ties broke down for centuries.
    4. Acknowledges diversity confirming Jew is not an ethnic group.
    5. Acknowledges my point about race.
    6. Defined by religion
    7. Ad populum fallacy.

    Catholic was more of a reference to Hungarian than Romanian. Point being there is a religious factor invoked be it Orthodox or Catholic.

    I have provides sources from various groups. You have not provided a single source at all. So when you do we can discuss what is fact or opinion. Until you do so your have presented opinion only nothing more, unjustified opinion. Also anthropology classifications are facts, which I told you to look up. This is the field which is relevant and it proves it is a religious view since converts have no ties to Judah but are considered Jews still.

    The laws should be amend since racism is a social construct not a biological fact. The law makers didn't know what they were talking about when they used these words in their laws.
    I never pointed to Holocaust laws to begin with, you did. You brought it up, I didn't. I just pointed out the problems with the laws, the purpose of the laws is positive, just the wording format is dead wrong.

    So what if they have ties to Judah? Judah is not an ethnic group, its a social group. Again you confuse an ethnic group with a social group.

    Israeli is a rogue state, simple as that. It is far more dangerous to peace then other nations in the region. It has broken more UN regulations than Iran. It broke the primary charter of the UN which all nations sign and agree with.
  • Legalized Anti-Semitism
     Reply #58 - March 12, 2015, 05:47 PM

    I have not read your solution.. What is the solution nbhb?  air it again..

    2 states solution with population transfers. Arab Muslims in Palestine and the others in Israel.
    I am not sure what solution he is implementing but to me it appears that it is not a solution...

    In my opinion it is "kicking out of Israel and West Bank all Muslim Arabs". It seems for me that Israeli are on the mission not just to resolve the demographic threat problem(which is all but solved), but to make everything they can to force Arabs out of Israel and West Bank.
  • Legalized Anti-Semitism
     Reply #59 - March 12, 2015, 06:49 PM

    Here is another source which is taught in Jewish schools. All factors of being a Jew is defined by the religious view.
    http://www.icsresources.org/content/curricula/ReligiousOrEthnic.pdf

    1. Admits upfront that Jews do not fit the criteria.
    2. Defined by religion
    3. Peoplehood allows Palestinians to define themselves as a people. Converts have no historical experiences not dictated by religion. Historical experiences are not shared by the whole group so can not define a whole group. Food styles is defined by religion in what one can or can not eat. Jewish cuisine is post Dispora so provides no links to the distant past. Food restricts are defined by religion. Pre-Dispora provides no links which are not regional or religious. Hebrew was a dead language so language ties broke down for centuries.
    4. Acknowledges diversity confirming Jew is not an ethnic group.
    5. Acknowledges my point about race.
    6. Defined by religion
    7. Ad populum fallacy.

    Catholic was more of a reference to Hungarian than Romanian. Point being there is a religious factor invoked be it Orthodox or Catholic.

    I have provides sources from various groups. You have not provided a single source at all. So when you do we can discuss what is fact or opinion. Until you do so your have presented opinion only nothing more, unjustified opinion. Also anthropology classifications are facts, which I told you to look up. This is the field which is relevant and it proves it is a religious view since converts have no ties to Judah but are considered Jews still.

    The laws should be amend since racism is a social construct not a biological fact. The law makers didn't know what they were talking about when they used these words in their laws.
    I never pointed to Holocaust laws to begin with, you did. You brought it up, I didn't. I just pointed out the problems with the laws, the purpose of the laws is positive, just the wording format is dead wrong.

    So what if they have ties to Judah? Judah is not an ethnic group, its a social group. Again you confuse an ethnic group with a social group.

    Israeli is a rogue state, simple as that. It is far more dangerous to peace then other nations in the region. It has broken more UN regulations than Iran. It broke the primary charter of the UN which all nations sign and agree with.


    If anything, the source you just provided says that you were more wrong than me. Because you argued till now that the jews are only a religious group. Where I said till now that they are a distinct unique group because they are  both a religious and an ethnic one. This source says that they are kind of ethnoreligious sort of thing. What it matters is that they are widely considered both an ethnic and religious group rightly or wrongly and the laws are made as such.

    Now on the last part, tell me bogart do you believe that Israel has the right to exist?
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