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  • Qur'anic studies today
     Reply #10740 - May 14, 2022, 06:13 PM
    Quote from: Altara on May 14, 2022, 12:58 PM

    1. OFC.

    2. To the contrary.


    3.  Urwa b. al Zubayr.

    well I wish you could write bit more than four words on the points 2 & 3 dear Altara.,

    for e..g on Urwah ibn al-Zubayr ibn al-'Awwam al-Asadi .,

    funny that guy did not have that adjective "Muhammad" attached to his name which  you see with every individuals of early Islam /.

    WHO WAS HE?
    WHO WERE HIS ANCESTORS ?
    Do you believe on what has been written about him?  for e,g,

    Quote
    .....He was the son of the eminent Companion al-Zubayr b. al-ʿAwwām   and of Asmāʾ   daughter of the first caliph Abū Bakr ¶ and sister of the Prophet’s wife, ʿĀʾis̲h̲a

      such as these publications??

    Quote
    https://www.aljumuah.com/the-rise-of-historical-writing-in-islam-2-the-role-of-urwah-ibn-al-zubayr-2/

    https://www.arabnews.com/node/213667

    URWA BIN ZUBAIR’S “AL-MAGHAZI”: METHODOLOGY AND CRITICAL ANALYSIS.pdf


    Please give some information /links on that guy .,  As far as 2nd point  2. To the contrary. is concerned.,  .. whatever was there as FAITH    in ISLAM ..no "Proto_Islam"   before this "Mecca-Medina-Muhammad-Zam zam water "  story.,  I WOULD NOT CALL THAT  AS "ISLAM"..

    with best wishes
    yeezevee
    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • Qur'anic studies today
     Reply #10741 - May 15, 2022, 03:22 PM
    (Part 1) Non Scholarly, Traditional, and Academic Approaches to Hadith - Dr. Andreas Görke
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akpr_FXLqP4
    (Part 2) The Contributions of Goldzhir and Schacht to the Academic Study of Hadith
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0IvpIAm_InA
    (Part 3) Eschatological Traditions as a Means to Dating Hadith and the Elucidation of Isnad-Cum-Matn
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6ZGzj-oYX4
    Quote
    Real Talk with Dr. Andreas Görke:  Isnad-Cum-Matn - An Academic Approach to Dating Hadīth

    With Muslims the subject of hadīth has been a continuous study since the first century of Islam; whilst the academic (or what some would call the Western Orientalist) study of hadīth only began in the middle of the nineteenth century. But in the last 40 years or so, academic scholarship has begun to take stock of not just the authenticity of what is reported in hadith but also of their origins and mode of transmission.  Those two aspects of hadith—origins and transmission—carries us into the topic of Isnad-Cum-Matn analysis, which is an academic approach to dating.

    Our guest Dr. Andreas Görke is a Senior Lecturer in Islamic Studies at the University of Edinburgh but has also worked as lecturer and researcher at the Universities of Hamburg and Basel, the Social Science Research Center Berlin (WZB), Freie Universität Berlin, and the University of Kiel, and served as acting professor for early and classical Islam at the University of Hamburg.

    His research interests include early Islamic history and historiography, the life of the Prophet Muhammad, Koran and Koranic exegesis, Hadith, Islamic law, the transmission of Arabic manuscripts, Islam in its late antique environment and the impact of modernity on Muslim thought.

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  • Qur'anic studies today
     Reply #10742 - May 18, 2022, 11:56 AM
    Quote from: zeca on May 15, 2022, 03:22 PM
    (Part 1) Non Scholarly, Traditional, and Academic Approaches to Hadith - Dr. Andreas Görke
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akpr_FXLqP4
    (Part 2) The Contributions of Goldzhir and Schacht to the Academic Study of Hadith
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0IvpIAm_InA
    (Part 3) Eschatological Traditions as a Means to Dating Hadith and the Elucidation of Isnad-Cum-Matn
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6ZGzj-oYX4

    Quote
    Real Talk with Dr. Andreas Görke:  Isnad-Cum-Matn - An Academic Approach to Dating Hadīth

    With Muslims the subject of hadīth has been a continuous study since the first century of Islam; whilst the academic (or what some would call the Western Orientalist) study of hadīth only began in the middle of the nineteenth century. But in the last 40 years or so, academic scholarship has begun to take stock of not just the authenticity of what is reported in hadith but also of their origins and mode of transmission.  Those two aspects of hadith—origins and transmission—carries us into the topic of Isnad-Cum-Matn analysis, which is an academic approach to dating.

    Our guest Dr. Andreas Görke is a Senior Lecturer in Islamic Studies at the University of Edinburgh but has also worked as lecturer and researcher at the Universities of Hamburg and Basel, the Social Science Research Center Berlin (WZB), Freie Universität Berlin, and the University of Kiel, and served as acting professor for early and classical Islam at the University of Hamburg.

    His research interests include early Islamic history and historiography, the life of the Prophet Muhammad, Koran and Koranic exegesis, Hadith, Islamic law, the transmission of Arabic manuscripts, Islam in its late antique environment and the impact of modernity on Muslim thought.


     that is complete nonsense and wrong .,  hadith is under continuous study  since the first century of Islam??  Nonsense.,

    WHEN DID ISLAM START ?? WHAT YEAR?
     
    both guys  Dr. Andreas Görke and  Terron Poole  should read this forum to learn about early Islam and its literature .. and they should read this Ph. D. Thesis of  MOHAMMED  ALSHAHRI on Hadith  .. here is the link A CRITICAL STUDY OF WESTERN VIEWS ON HADITH WITH SPECIAL REFERENCE TO THE VIEWS OF JAMES ROBSON AND JOHN BURTON

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • Qur'anic studies today
     Reply #10743 - June 11, 2022, 02:41 PM
    Qur'anic Studies: A Conversation with an Historical Linguist | Marijn Van Putten
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxHNsEx8qQo
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  • Qur'anic studies today
     Reply #10744 - June 11, 2022, 03:05 PM
    Lev Weitz - Polygyny and East Syrian Law: Local Practices and Ecclesiastical Tradition

    https://www.academia.edu/10101887/Polygyny_and_East_Syrian_Law_Local_Practices_and_Ecclesiastical_Tradition
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  • Qur'anic studies today
     Reply #10745 - June 11, 2022, 03:13 PM
    Podcast: https://newbooksnetwork.com/lev-weitz-between-christ-and-caliph-law-marriage-and-christian-community-in-early-islam-u-pennsylvania-press-2018/
    Quote
    Recent years have seen new waves of research in Syriac studies, the medieval Middle East, and family history. Combining all three, Lev Weitz’s Between Christ and Caliph: Law, Marriage, and Christian Community in Early Islam (University of Pennsylvania Press, 2018), revisits the early years of Islamic civilization by looking at an oft-neglected population in the secondary literature, Syriac Christians. Weitz’s study uses marital practice from the seventh through tenth centuries to illustrate how Islamic law influenced the development of Christian law and the role religious authorities –that is the Christian bishops– had to play in it. We talk through polygamy, confessional boundaries, and what households meant now and then; Weitz also fills us in on what the growing field of Syriac studies looks like, how it is changing, and how a scholar of the medieval Middle East gets their sources.

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  • Qur'anic studies today
     Reply #10746 - June 11, 2022, 03:17 PM
    Lev Weitz - Review of Holger Zellentin, The Qurʾān's Legal Culture: The Didascalia Apostolorum as a Point of Departure

    https://www.academia.edu/79386312/Review_of_Holger_Zellentin_The_Qurʾāns_Legal_Culture_The_Didascalia_Apostolorum_as_a_Point_of_Departure_2013
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  • Qur'anic studies today
     Reply #10747 - June 11, 2022, 03:56 PM
    Robert Hoyland - Were the Muslim Arab Conquerors of the Seventh-Century Middle East Colonialists?

    https://www.academia.edu/49592178/Were_the_Muslim_Arab_Conquerors_of_the_Seventh_Century_Middle_East_Colonialists
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  • Qur'anic studies today
     Reply #10748 - June 11, 2022, 04:44 PM
    Major Questions in Qur'anic Studies with Dr. Gabriel Reynolds
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=viVeoW4G7lw
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  • Qur'anic studies today
     Reply #10749 - June 11, 2022, 10:27 PM
    Zayde Antrim - Review of Harry Munt, The Holy City of Medina

    https://www.academia.edu/37274380/Review_of_Harry_Munt_The_Holy_City_of_Medina_2014_
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  • Qur'anic studies today
     Reply #10750 - June 13, 2022, 09:56 PM
    Quote from: zeca on June 11, 2022, 10:27 PM
    Zayde Antrim - Review of Harry Munt, The Holy City of Medina

    Quote from: zeca on June 11, 2022, 10:27 PM
    https://www.academia.edu/37274380/Review_of_Harry_Munt_The_Holy_City_of_Medina_2014_

    Thanks  for that link on the review of    Harry Munt book The Holy City of Medina: Sacred Space in Early Islamic Arabia.     .. indeed one must read that book if we are trying to inquire the origins of these towns .. Mecca and Medina,..


    Quote
    This is the first book-length study of the emergence of Medina, in modern Saudi Arabia, as a widely venerated sacred space and holy city over the course of the first three Islamic centuries (the seventh to ninth centuries CE). This was a dynamic period that witnessed the evolution of many Islamic political, religious and legal doctrines, and the book situates Medina's emerging sanctity within the appropriate historical contexts. The book focuses on the roles played by the Prophet Muhammad, by the Umayyad and early Abbasid caliphs and by Muslim legal scholars. It shows that Medina's emergence as a holy city, alongside Mecca and Jerusalem, as well as the development of many of the doctrines associated with its sanctity, was the result of gradual and contested processes, and was intimately linked with important contemporary developments concerning the legitimation of political, religious and legal authority in the Islamic world.


    other links on that book

    https://www.academia.edu/81074188/The_Holy_City_of_Medina_Sacred_Space_in_Early_Islamic_Arabia_Harry_Munt?f_ri=15866
    .

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • Qur'anic studies today
     Reply #10751 - June 14, 2022, 07:27 PM
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nN7LC86VymQ
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  • Qur'anic studies today
     Reply #10752 - June 21, 2022, 08:31 AM
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qP6AX4HCFFE
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    In this video I interview scholar and friend Dr. Tommaso Tesei. Dr. Tesei is an Associate Professor of Religious Studies at Duke Kunshan University. Prior to this he was a Patricia Crone Member in Residence at the Institute for Advanced Study. He was also previously a Polonsky Research Fellow at the Van Leer Jerusalem Institute in Jerusalem. Dr. Tesei received his PhD at the La Sapienza University of Rome and works on matters relation to Late Antiquity, the Rise of Islam, and the Qur'an's interaction with Syriac Literature.

    In this interview we discuss the Alexander Legend in the Qur'an. The Alexander Legend is a Late Antique Christian legend which also finds its way into the Qur'an under the name of Dhu-l-Qarnayn. We also discuss the possibility of multiple authorship for the Qur'an, as well as the extent of Christian activity in the Hijaz.

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  • Qur'anic studies today
     Reply #10753 - June 21, 2022, 08:40 AM
    Where Did The Quran Get Its Religious Vocabulary From? | Marijn van Putten
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwQD8EpRo-0
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  • Qur'anic studies today
     Reply #10754 - June 22, 2022, 12:54 PM
    Quote from: zeca on June 21, 2022, 08:40 AM
    Where Did The Quran Get Its Religious Vocabulary From? | Marijn van Putten
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwQD8EpRo-0


    my goodness .. that is more than an hour video., I hate to watch YouTube that are over 30mts dear zeca..  I wonder whether you watched it? .

    what is the reason and what is the gist of  that discussion??

    I wonder whether that  Putten PhD read  that book of Arthur Jeffrey's work on the Qur'an??

    Did Putten publish anything on that "Religious Vocabulary " in Quran   

    And what is this RELIGIOUS VOCUBULARY means?? .. The words such as Allah?? Muhammad? Mecca?

    anyway let me add these links....



    A Crtical analysis of Arthur Jeffrey's work on the Qur'an by  Dr Muhammad Sajjad Malik and Sonia Batool

    and by  clicking that image of that book .. one can download the pdf file of Arthur Jeffrey's book.

    with best wishes
    yeezevee
    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • Qur'anic studies today
     Reply #10755 - June 22, 2022, 01:57 PM
    Quote from: yeezevee on June 22, 2022, 12:54 PM
    my goodness .. that is more than an hour video., I hate to watch YouTube that are over 30mts dear zeca..  I wonder whether you watched it? .


    Not yet.
    Which side are you on?
  • Qur'anic studies today
     Reply #10756 - June 22, 2022, 05:07 PM
    Quote from: zeca on June 22, 2022, 01:57 PM
    Not yet.

     may be Marijn van Putten should watch an read



    Prof.  Joel Hayward FRHistS FRSA .... the New Zealand-born British scholar, writer, and poet.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hS7ORAPDkAw

    Questions about the Prophet Muhammad ﷺ with Professor Joel Hayward

    Fools talk nonsense....

    https://www.joelhayward.org/


    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • Qur'anic studies today
     Reply #10757 - June 22, 2022, 11:05 PM
    The Prophet Muhammad in the Bible with Dr. Ali Ataie


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HmOT_cjEVs


     that was put on web on Aug 7, 2021 
    Quote
    Dr. Ali Ataie is a scholar of biblical hermeneutics with expertise in Sacred Languages, Comparative Theology, and Comparative Literature. At Zaytuna College, Dr. Ataie has taught Arabic, Creedal Theology, Comparative Theology, Sciences of the Quran, Introduction to the Qur’an, and Seminal Ancient Texts.

    He received his BS in accounting from Cal Poly State University in 2000. In 2011, he received his MA in Biblical Studies from Pacific School of Religion, and in 2016, his PhD in Cultural and Historical Studies in Religion from the Graduate Theological Union.

    Dr. Ataie can read and write Arabic, Hebrew, and Greek. He joined the Zaytuna College faculty in 2012.


    all that is from AMRIKEE PAUL WILLIAMS from his channel Blogging Theology  ..https://www.youtube.com/c/BloggingTheology

    and this was Paul Williams.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3wSWXXBGsk

    I guess he goes in and out
    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • Qur'anic studies today
     Reply #10758 - July 04, 2022, 03:37 PM
    Chase Robinson - Why The Umayyads Matter
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fsqtGZcuskM
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  • Qur'anic studies today
     Reply #10759 - July 04, 2022, 06:44 PM
    Quote from: zeca on July 04, 2022, 03:37 PM
    Chase Robinson - Why The Umayyads Matter
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fsqtGZcuskM

    well that is Ooold.,  6year old lecture.,   and Chase Robinson  as good as he is as historian of Islam,  He . always picks up easy subjects of  Islam to talk about ...... lol..

     I wonder zeca did he speak  anything on Islam earlier than that  Umayyad dynasty ?? I mean Islam before Muʿāwiya ibn Abī Sufyān??

    anyways This Kuwait guy tells you different story  on the same subject., Off course that is also Ooold..'

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mu9dcfF1_y8

    anyways.. I like this one

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrxwLe-rI7I

    In Fact I PARTLY SUPPORT  that idea on those 4 verses of Quranic Muhammad..   and when I add Hadith Muhammad Characters of Islam.,  I will say NOT two Muhammads but multiple Muhamads of Islam .,   you know on Islam., there are better thinkers out of Academic institutions than from   Academic  universities .,  So let me read this article...

    Can the Qur’ān be read in the light of Christ? Reflections on some Melkite authors and their use of the Holy Book of Islam.pdf

    that is from  dr.  Ebeid  Bishara   ....https://www.unive.it/data/people/20385362
    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • Qur'anic studies today
     Reply #10760 - July 05, 2022, 11:07 AM
    Marijn van Putten - Developing a classification of the different vocalisation styles of early Quranic manuscripts

    https://www.college-de-france.fr/site/francois-deroche/symposium-2022-06-03-11h00.htm

    from here: https://twitter.com/CellardEleonore/status/1544013202031316992?cxt=HHwWgMC4ufT0t-0qAAAA
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  • Qur'anic studies today
     Reply #10761 - July 05, 2022, 11:19 AM
    Open access book

    Scripts and Scripture: Writing and Religion in Arabia circa 500–700 CE

    https://oi.uchicago.edu/research/publications/lamine/lamine-3-scripts-and-scripture-writing-and-religion-arabia-circa-500
    Quote
    How did Islam’s sacred scripture, the Arabic Qurʾān, emerge from western Arabia at a time when the region was religiously fragmented and lacked a clearly established tradition of writing to render the Arabic language?

    The studies in this volume, the proceedings of a scholarly conference, address different aspects of this question. They include discussions of the religious concepts found in Arabia in the centuries preceding the rise of Islam, which reflect the presence of polytheism and of several varieties of monotheism including Judaism and Christianity. Also discussed at length are the complexities surrounding the way languages of the Arabian Peninsula were written in the centuries before and after the rise of Islam—including Nabataean and various North Arabian dialects of Semitic—and the gradual emergence of the now-familiar Arabic script from the Nabataean script originally intended to render a dialect of Aramaic.

    The religious implications of inscriptions from the pre-Islamic and early Islamic centuries receive careful scrutiny. The early coalescence of the Qurʾān, the kind of information it contains on Christianity and other religions that formed part of the environment in which it first appeared, the development of several key Qurʾānic concepts, and the changing meaning of certain terms used in the Qurʾān also form part of this rich volume. 

    Contents

    Introduction
    1. Scripts and Scripture in Late Antique Arabia: An Overview. Fred M. Donner.
    2. The Oral and the Written in the Religions of Ancient North Arabia. Michael C. A. Macdonald.
    3. The Religious Landscape of Northwest Arabia as Reflected in the Nabataean, Nabataeo-Arabic, and Pre-Islamic Arabic Inscriptions. Laïla Nehmé.
    4. One Wāw to Rule Them All: The Origins and Fate of Wawation in Arabic and Its Orthography. Ahmad Al-Jallad.
    5. ʿArabī and aʿjamī in the Qurʾān: The Language of Revelation in Muḥammad’s Ḥijāz. Robert Hoyland.
    6. Scripture, Language, and the Jews of Arabia. Gordon D. Newby.
    7. Script, Text, and the Bible in Arabic: The Evidence of the Qurʾān. Sidney Griffith.
    8. Language of Ritual Purity in the Qurʾān and Old South Arabian. Suleyman Dost.
    9. The Invention of a Sacred Book. François Déroche.
    10. Script or Scripture? The Earliest Arabic Tombstones in the Light of Jewish and Christian Epitaphs. Kyle Longworth.
    11. Religious Warfare and Martyrdom in Arabic Graffiti (70s–110s AH/690s–730s CE). Ilkka Lindstedt.
    12. Writing and the Terminological Evolution of the Qurʾānic Sūrah. Adam Flowers.
    13. The Adversarial Clansman in Qurʾānic Narrative and Early Muslim Antipatrimonialism. Hamza M. Zafer.

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  • Qur'anic studies today
     Reply #10762 - July 05, 2022, 02:41 PM
    That is great book to read .. thanks for that link dear zeca
    Quote from: zeca on July 05, 2022, 11:19 AM
    Open access book

    Scripts and Scripture: Writing and Religion in Arabia circa 500–700 CE.pdf

    https://oi.uchicago.edu/research/publications/lamine/lamine-3-scripts-and-scripture-writing-and-religion-arabia-circa-500

    One must read these chapters
    Quote
    1. Scripts and Scripture in Late Antique Arabia: An Overview. Fred M. Donner.
    7. Script, Text, and the Bible in Arabic: The Evidence of the Qurʾān.  Sidney Griffith
    9. The Invention of a Sacred Book. François Déroche.

    and I don't like this usage of the word by Robert Hoyland...

    5. ʿArabī and aʿjamī in the Qurʾān: The Language of Revelation in Muḥammad’s Ḥijāz. Robert Hoyland.

    Much of the Quran in those OLD ARABIC MANSUCRIPTS  predates the word "Muhammad"
    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • Qur'anic studies today
     Reply #10763 - July 05, 2022, 02:52 PM
    Hoyland's chapter is worth reading though.
    Which side are you on?
  • Qur'anic studies today
     Reply #10764 - July 05, 2022, 04:10 PM
    Quote from: zeca on July 05, 2022, 02:52 PM
    Hoyland's chapter is worth reading though.

     well I read through a bit.,  HE BECAME SUCH A POLITICALLY CORRECT GUY ., nowadays
    I regrate his way of thinking., in fact the first paragraph that chapter 5 of that book itself tells he is NOT objective in his work but very subjective to unproven Idea that there was a man called "Muhammad" ..  in early Islam

    anyways ..let me add this video on that chapter

    IQSA Zoom Seminar #7 Robert Hoyland, "'Arabi and A'jami in the Qur'an: The Language of Revelation.."

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfa92Xw5_ME
     
     and I will read through it but tell me the zest of his thoughts on the word  "Muhammad" of Quran...  NOT Hadith...
    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • Qur'anic studies today
     Reply #10765 - July 11, 2022, 01:21 PM
    Quote
    well I read through a bit.,  HE BECAME SUCH A POLITICALLY CORRECT GUY ., nowadays
    I regret his way of thinking., in fact the first paragraph that chapter 5 of that book itself tells he is NOT objective in his work but very subjective to unproven Idea that there was a man called "Muhammad" ..  in early Islam


    He became nothing Yeez. People have been framed by his PhD dissertation (Seeing...) under the supervision of Crone.  'Seeing...' is (just) a compilation of texts with (very) few commentaries. Nothing else. People believed that it has made him a disciple a Crone. They were wrong. He was always ambiguous ;  that is why people have been fooled, he praised many times Crone, etc. He could tell that it is because she was his supervisor, etc. The (real) fact is that he has (never) questioned the traditional narrative. Never. He is a Great Believer like the others.
  • Qur'anic studies today
     Reply #10766 - July 12, 2022, 08:32 AM
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yoMyfh2vfyk
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    In this interview I speak with friend and fellow scholar of Islamic Studies, Dr. Sean Anthony. Dr. Anthony is Professor of Near Eastern Languages and Cultures at The Ohio State University. Prior to this he was an Andrew Mellon Fellow at the Institute for Advanced Study in Princeton NJ and an Assistant Professor in the Department of History at the University of Oregon. Dr. Anthony got his A.M. and Ph.D. from the University of Chicago in Near Eastern Languages and Cultures, specializing in Islamic Thought and Early Islamic History. He is the author of many academic articles and books, his most recent book "Muhammad and the Empires of Faith" has already become quite popular within Islamic Studies.

    In this talk we discuss Sean's new book as well as the materials for the study of early Islamic history, and Muhammad himself. We talk about how Roman crucifixion remained as a practice into late antiquity and with the medieval Arab empires and how all of this sheds light on the Qur'an and Early Islam.

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  • Qur'anic studies today
     Reply #10767 - July 12, 2022, 09:41 AM
    Quote from: zeca on July 12, 2022, 08:32 AM
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yoMyfh2vfyk

    both of those guys should watch this

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XJ4bxYYPVE

    And they should also answer those 10 questions that  Shady Nasser  answered..
    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • Qur'anic studies today
     Reply #10768 - July 22, 2022, 06:27 PM
    Open access book



    Stephen Shoemaker - Creating the Qur’an: A Historical-Critical Study

    https://www.ucpress.edu/book/9780520389038/creating-the-quran
    Quote
    Creating the Qur’an presents the first systematic historical-critical study of the Qur’an’s origins, drawing on methods and perspectives commonly used to study other scriptural traditions. Demonstrating in detail that the Islamic tradition relates not a single attested account of the holy text’s formation, Stephen J. Shoemaker shows how the Qur’an preserves a surprisingly diverse array of memories regarding the text’s early history and its canonization. To this he adds perspectives from radiocarbon dating of manuscripts, the linguistic history of Arabic, the social and cultural history of late ancient Arabia, and the limitations of human memory and oral transmission, as well as various peculiarities of the Qur’anic text itself. Considering all the relevant data to present the most comprehensive and convincing examination of the origin and evolution of the Qur’an available, Shoemaker concludes that the canonical text of the Qur’an was most likely produced only around the turn of the eighth century.


    pdf: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1z6rJgZgQOCxHyLRFyHezDl-cbEc1XEN4/view

    Reddit discussion: https://www.reddit.com/r/AcademicQuran/comments/vl6cvy/creating_the_quran_a_historicalcritical_study_by/

    eta - some pushback from MVP: https://twitter.com/PhDniX/status/1542977073794486272?cxt=HHwWgMC8wafe4OkqAAAA

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     Reply #10769 - July 22, 2022, 08:29 PM
    Already posted I think but here's the Mythvision interview with Stephen Shoemaker
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jOAhI6oP80
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