............. "muslims", .................
The dates bring us to 630's,
that is what c14 dating gives us for the oldest manuscripts. Is Aqaba area the place where the scribal workshop was? Was the scribal committee located in that area?
well words like "Muslim.. Islam ..Muhammad.."
and their presence in Quran verses
in the present book as well as in so-called Old Quran manuscripts .......we have discussed that in this folder itself dear mundi., anyways going back to your response
I do realize that the Aqaba date is part of muslim tradition and thus not reliable. But the Jerusalem 630 date is afaik. Leaves a whole part of " arabia" not ruled by the Sassanides nor the Byzantines.
yes that seems to be true ., may be true but one must realize those vessel rulers/ mini kings of Arabian states(NOT WHOLE ARABIA) were partially under the control of Sassanides or Byzantines... Sassanides or Byzantines may not have directly ruled them., but these mini rulers of arabian states must have been in touch with either with Sassanides or Byzantines. And i am not following the argument ..with reference to its relevance to your time line
Sassanids left Jerusalem in 630
Mohammed entered Aqaba in 630
and specially to the word "MUHAMMAD"
If there is a kernel of truth in the Hijaz provenance of the "muslims", they must have passed through Aqaba, probably camped there for a few y ears. And then these dates become relevant.
but why start the journey of Islam from Hijaz provenance??
when there is no trace of BIIG MECCA TOWN at that time, why start present Islam and present book Quran from Mecca... Hijaz provenance ?? I am going to sing Altara song..
Mecca., Medina Muhammad zam-zam?
where is it?
where in Quran?
it is all zam zam water ..
Quran itself is proof for that . Quran manuscripts hardly says anything on "Mecca.. and even Muhammad and muslim.," .,
it just uses those words Actually I think those words were added in to Quran /Quran manuscripts at later times.,
The dates bring us to 630's, that is what c14 dating gives us for the oldest manuscripts. Is Aqaba the place where the scribal workshop was? Was the scribal committee located in that area?
well C14 data has enough experimental error bars that these manuscripts could be from year 630 or 530 or even 690 .. and that scribal workshop or the scribal committee could have been located in near Jerusalem or in some other towns near by why Aqaba? what is so special about that place?? I mean much of Quran comes from the stories of OT & NT ., the only thing Quran does is "QUESTION NT STATEMENT THAT "JESUS AS SON OF GOD"
and it adds some words like "Muhammad and mecca" in few verses .. these OT & NT stories could have been written anywhere ..
who knows where those manuscripts were written.. Allah knows the best dear mundi